VOICE YOUR OPINION - SHOULD THIS GOVERNMENT STAY OR GO??

[OP_POP]

One last point about Chinese immigrants. They, unlike many other ethnic groups, are known to integrate pretty quickly (change their names, go to church, interracial marriages, etc.) and thus don't pose a cultural threat from the conservative's perspective.

I don't agree with this part, as most Asians prefer to stay with each other (i.e. having China town in major cities) where most of them can avoid learning about language and culture here (just an observation I have had, please correct me if I am wrong).

 

[MUFC]

I would agree that they represent the greatest ratio between cheap and efficient labour.

That combination is a bliss for the big corporations.

 

[ZingyDNA]

I would totally support that. I hope conservatives propose this ASAP.

That's ridiculous. What about the Canadians inside Canada who don't pay much tax at all? They are enjoying all the benefits, aren't they? Why are you so pumped up to go for the Canadians abroad? At least they don't cost the system anything before they come back, if they come back at all!

 

[screech339]

That's ridiculous. What about the Canadians inside Canada who don't pay much tax at all? They are enjoying all the benefits, aren't they? Why are you so pumped up to go for the Canadians abroad? At least they don't cost the system anything before they come back, if they come back at all!

If they never come back at all, then they won't affect the system. That's the key. NEVER COME BACK. If they don't intend to come back, why did they apply for Canadian citizenship in the first place. However if they do come back, they are taking advantage of the free medical care since they don't contribute to the system while they abroad.

What do you think about the parents/grandparents sponsored through PGP. They will get to use free medical care without putting a single dime to taxes their entire lives. The longer the Canadians are abroad, the more they are no difference to sponsored parents/grandparents.

 

[ZingyDNA]

Of course, the Canadians abroad don't contribute anything before they come back. But neither are the Canadians inside Canada who don't pay taxes. If you ban one category from using health care and benefits, you should ban the other, too.

If they never come back at all, then they won't affect the system. That's the key. NEVER COME BACK. If they don't intend to come back, why did they apply for Canadian citizenship in the first place. However if they do come back, they are taking advantage of the free medical care since they don't contribute to the system while they abroad.

 

[screech339]

Of course, the Canadians abroad don't contribute anything before they come back. But neither are the Canadians inside Canada who don't pay taxes. If you ban one category from using health care and benefits, you should ban the other, too.

I noticed you didn't discuss the sponsored parents and grandparents. What about them? Do you think it is unfair that they get access to free medical care while never contributed their entire lives to the system and are the most likely group of people to use the medical care due to their elderly related illnesses.

 

[ZingyDNA]

I noticed you didn't discuss the sponsored parents and grandparents. What about them? Do you think it is unfair that they get access to free medical care while never contributed their entire lives to the system and are the most likely group of people to use the medical care due to their elderly related illnesses.

They are the same as the Canadians who don't pay taxes.

 

[screech339]

They are the same as the Canadians who don't pay taxes.

You are avoiding or missing my point. Since sponsored parents/grandparents are not Canadians, you can't say they are same as Canadian who don't pay taxes.

The difference is that we can cancel the PGP sponsorship completely, thus stopping them from coming in. We can't stop or block Canadians from coming back. So you can't compare sponsored parents/grandparents to Canadians who don't pay taxes in Canada. Apples to Oranges.

So try again.

 

[ZingyDNA]

You are avoiding or missing my point. Since sponsored parents/grandparents are not Canadians, you can't say they are same as Canadian who don't pay taxes. Try again.

I'm not a Canadian. I'm just a PR, but if I stopped working and paying taxes, I'd still have health coverage and benefits. Even if I never worked and paid any taxes since the day I landed as PR, I'd still have all the benefits. The sponsored parents/grandparents are the same.

As long as there are someone in Canada who can have benefits without contributing, they are the same as the Canadians abroad. PRs or citizens don't matter.

 

[screech339]

I'm not a Canadian. I'm just a PR, but if I stopped working and paying taxes, I'd still have health coverage and benefits. Even if I never worked and paid any taxes since the day I landed as PR, I'd still have all the benefits. The sponsored parents/grandparents are the same.

As long as there are someone in Canada who can have benefits without contributing, they are the same as the Canadians abroad. PRs or citizens don't matter.

The difference in the sponsored parents/grandparents is that we can cancel the program. Big difference.

We can also cancel the PR program too but they would likely hurt canada's economy. Cancelling the parents/grandparent PGP doesn't, if it does, it would be minor.

 

[screech339]

I'm not a Canadian. I'm just a PR, but if I stopped working and paying taxes, I'd still have health coverage and benefits. Even if I never worked and paid any taxes since the day I landed as PR, I'd still have all the benefits. The sponsored parents/grandparents are the same.

As long as there are someone in Canada who can have benefits without contributing, they are the same as the Canadians abroad. PRs or citizens don't matter.

Sure you can quit and stop paying taxes and live on the dole. You can do that if you want to live in poverty. That's your choice.

PR come to Canada to work and contribute to Canada's economy. That is why young PR are favorable over those who are close to retirement. They are the likely kind of people who will likely contribute to the economy, thus paying taxes.

 

[ZingyDNA]

The difference in the sponsored parents/grandparents is that we can cancel the program. Big difference.

We can also cancel the PR program too but they would likely hurt canada's economy. Cancelling the parents/grandparent PGP doesn't, if it does, it would be minor.

Hm... It seems you keep changing your post. You basically classify two classes PRs: one from programs that would hurt the economy if cancelled, the other from programs that are "cancellable".

And you think it's not OK for the former to have benefits without contributing, but it IS OK for the latter to do so, as you can stop them from coming in any time you want?

Let's say I agree with you on this, even though you have a bit unusually way of thinking about this. What does that have to do with Canadians abroad? Just because you cannot stop them from coming back, you have to ban them from using benefits?

But you cannot stop the Canadians inside Canada from not working to pay taxes, either... And you are OK with them having benefits? Why is LOCATION so important to you?

 

[screech339]

Hm... It seems you keep changing your post. You basically classify two classes PRs: one from programs that would hurt the economy if cancelled, the other from programs that are "cancellable".

And you think it's not OK for the former to have benefits without contributing, but it IS OK for the latter to do so, as you can stop them from coming in any time you want?

Let's say I agree with you on this, even though you have a bit unusually way of thinking about this. What does that have to do with Canadians abroad? Just because you cannot stop them from coming back, you have to ban them from using benefits?

But you cannot stop the Canadians inside Canada from not working to pay taxes, either... And you are OK with them having benefits? Why is LOCATION so important to you?

The point of the whole issue is that the medical care in Canada is totally dependent on the tax contribution to support the system, like a pyramid if you will. The larger the work pool, the more revenue medical system gets. The longer the Canadians are absence from Canada, the less they are not contributing to the medical system, thus using other people taxes to support that person's medical needs that he/she didn't pay into, when he/she gets back.

Like I said before, the longer the Canadians are absence, the more they are no difference from sponsored PR parents/grandparents.

 

[ZingyDNA]

I'm confused: So it's the length of time that's important to you? But there are Canadians who never left Canada, but have not paid taxes for a long time. Are you OK with them having benefits?

The point of the whole issue is that the medical care in Canada is totally dependent on the tax contribution to support the system, like a pyramid if you will. The larger the work pool, the more revenue medical system gets. The longer the Canadians are absence from Canada, the less they are not contributing to the medical system, thus using other people taxes to support that person's medical needs that he/she didn't pay into.

Like I said before, the longer the Canadians are absence, the more they are no difference from sponsored PR parents/grandparents.

 

[screech339]

I'm confused: So it's the length of time that's important to you? But there are Canadians who never left Canada, but have not paid taxes for a long time. Are you OK with them having benefits?

Unfortunately there are Canadians who taking advantage of the system too. Live on the dole and have tons of benefits without contributing to taxes. There is nothing I can do about them. We can't kick them out so we are stuck with them.

However those who do leave Canada, made their choice to leave. We can at least have some control over that since they made a conscious choice of moving out of Canada.