VOICE YOUR OPINION - SHOULD THIS GOVERNMENT STAY OR GO??

[OP_POP]

I'm confused: So it's the length of time that's important to you? But there are Canadians who never left Canada, but have not paid taxes for a long time. Are you OK with them having benefits?

I completely agree with screech339 on this. Also from Canadians who live here and don't pay tax, you mean homeless people? You are more than welcome to stop working and becoming homeless so you don't pay tax.

PGP (even though I used this program this year to apply for my parents to come here) doesn't have any economic benefit for Canada. To be honest, it is actually unfair for hard working Canadians born here as they don't use this program and their tax contribute to these parents coming here. Although with minimum income and 20 years sponsorship imposed to this program, government tried to reduce this effect on Canadian tax payes (the sponsors have to work and pay tax and maintain the minimum income). I would support even changing this program to make it more difficult.

 

[ZingyDNA]

You think it's only the homeless who don't pay taxes? You know the government is paying rent, among other benefits, to low to no income families, right? At least the homeless don't need help to pay rent!

I completely agree with screech339 on this. Also from Canadians who live here and don't pay tax, you mean homeless people? You are more than welcome to stop working and becoming homeless so you don't pay tax.

 

[ZingyDNA]

Unfortunately there are Canadians who taking advantage of the system too. Live on the dole and have tons of benefits without contributing to taxes. There is nothing I can do about them. We can't kick them out so we are stuck with them.

However those who do leave Canada, made their choice to leave. We can at least have some control over that since they made a conscious choice of moving out of Canada.

So it IS location that you care about. Glad to know if I ever become Canadian, people like you won't give a crap about me once I step a foot outside Canada...

 

[screech339]

You think it's only the homeless who don't pay taxes? You know the government is paying rent, among other benefits, to low to no income families, right? At least the homeless don't need help to pay rent!

You mean the homeless shelters where all the homeless sleep on a cot in a big gym. That's the rent you are talking about? I thought you were talking a 1 bedroom apartment.

 

[ZingyDNA]

You mean the homeless shelters where all the homeless sleep on a cot in a big gym. That's the rent you are talking about? I thought you were talking a 1 bedroom apartment.

So? Still doesn't change the fact there are a lot more than the homeless who take away much more than contribute into the system, INSIDE Canada!

 

[screech339]

So? Still doesn't change the fact there are a lot more than the homeless who take away much more than contribute into the system, INSIDE Canada!

At least it is a better use of tax dollars. More bang for tax payers buck. More cost effective to pay rent for a gym that house 200 homeless in a gym than paying rent for 200 (1) bedroom apartments.

Canada is still a compassionate country. We are not that cruel. But we still need to be cost effective with our tax dollars.

 

[screech339]

So it IS location that you care about. Glad to know if I ever become Canadian, people like you won't give a crap about me once I step a foot outside Canada...

CPP and Old Age Pension is based on how long you worked and/or resided in Canada. Work 40 years, you get full CPP benefit. Work 20 years, you get half CPP benefits. Same for Old Age Pension. The longer you resided in Canada, the bigger the Old Age benefit you get. In other words, it is a pro-rated system.

Medical care can be treated the same way, the longer you are out of Canada (less time residing in Canada) more limited medical benefits/social benefits you get when you move back to Canada.

So the question is this. Do you have a problem with the CPP and Old Age Pension system?

 

[MUFC]

Medical care can be treated the same way, the longer you are out of Canada (less time residing in Canada) more limited medical benefits/social benefits you get when you move back to Canada.

Sounds great and at the same time fair.

If Canada stops wasting so much funds for social benefits and transfer the money back to the working people, the standard and quality of living will be indeed one of the very best in the world.

 

[OP_POP]

Medical care can be treated the same way, the longer you are out of Canada (less time residing in Canada) more limited medical benefits/social benefits you get when you move back to Canada.

This is pretty logical, I am wondering why government hasn't implemented this yet.

 

[MUFC]

Canada should stop act like a charity foundation.

 

[neutral]

Medical care can be treated the same way, the longer you are out of Canada (less time residing in Canada) more limited medical benefits/social benefits you get when you move back to Canada.

Medical care is only for residents, Canadians or not. If a Canadian lives abroad during all the year, he/she is NOT covered by the medical care.

 

[MUFC]

Don't forget that in US and Canada there is always Option B to get what you want.

 

[screech339]

Medical care is only for residents, Canadians or not. If a Canadian lives abroad during all the year, he/she is NOT covered by the medical care.

You keep forgetting that the longer a Canadian is abroad, he/she does not pay taxes to cover the medical care when he/she gets back.

Imagine this. A Canadian lives abroad and stays out of Canada for 10, 20 or even 30 years. He/she get diagnosed early stage cancer. He/she can go back to Canada and get free expensive cancer treatment. Do you think that the many years of not paying taxes cover the cancer treatment? The residents/taxpayers that are here pays for his/her medical treatment. We are not talking about medical only for residents. We are talking about the absence of taxes that could have been used to cover his/her medical treatment.

If residency of Canada is your only reason for medical coverage, I am sure you can see the fairness of sponsored parents/grandparents getting free medical care when they have not paid a single dime all their lives towards taxes in Canada. As you can see the flaw in your argument of "residency" as reason for medical care.

Medical care only for residents isn't the issue. It's the principle of taxes being paid prior to using medical care when Canadians leave Canada out of their own choice. I am sure you can come up with a better argument other than "medical care is only available to residents only" without the implication of taxes involved.

"Medical care is only for residents, Canadians or not." argument makes sense if the residents pays for their own medical cost. Taxes doesn't cover medical care. But in this case, taxes are also part of the equation along with residency.

 

[screech339]

Don't forget that in US and Canada there is always Option B to get what you want.

I am not following you. What's Option B?

 

[MUFC]

Medical care is only for residents, Canadians or not. If a Canadian lives abroad during all the year, he/she is NOT covered by the medical care.

My comment was on this statement which officially is true but you know that practically there is a way to continue using free medical care even if actually the person is living abroad for a long time.

you know pretty well how this trick works screech339.