has anyone been successful sponsoring a younger husband from a different culture

[screech339]

The point steerpike and mikeymyke have been trying to make is that you should owe up to your responsibility for your actions. You signed a contract stating that you are responsible for 3 years. You can't turn around and say I am not responsible if my marriage ended shortly after partner landed. You signed a contract so that the government is not on the hook for your unfortunate circumstance if it came to that. It is called being responsible and accountable for your actions. If you had any inkling or doubt about your relationship, you shouldn't sign the papers. It could have been much worst. It used to be 10 years. Be graceful that you are on the hook for 3 years instead of 10 years.

 

[jomz]

Although steerpike is pretty harsh, I do agree with him that the sponsor should unfortunately, have to pay the price if the applicant suddenly disappears. It is after all, written in the sponsorship agreement that you are to support your spouse for 3 years, and if you do not agree with it, don't sign it.

Marriage is one of the single biggest events of anyone's life, and people should get to know their spouse thoroughly before embarking on such an enormous life changing event. Although I do agree we as human beings, should be free to marry anyone we wish, there are also lots of people who just blindly fall in love, not understand their partner well enough, and just basically turn a blind eye to any red flags from them, and they become easy pickings for people who want to enter Canada. I know we as Canadians, enjoy such great benefits and freedom from our country for such a long time that we tend to feel we are entitled to everything. Entitled to marry who we wish, bring in who we wish, offended at being interviewed by a visa officer, ("How dare they question the legitimacy of our marriage? They should let in anyone I want without question! This is Canada!"). And because of that sense of entitlement, unscrupulous people take advantage of us, mock our generous immigration laws in the past, and suddenly, marriage fraud became rampant. Lots of people suddenly see marriage as an easy way to enter the country, because you don't need English requirement, job skills, etc, you just need to be simply married.

Whether you marry someone on the first meeting, or you're together for 10 years, just remember, marriage and sponsorship are both big responsibilites, take it seriously and do your due diligence.

Mikeymike, as always I agree with you. But I think Steerpike's issue from the beginning is that he is under Condition 51. And that because of women making complaints to the government the government introduced this 2 year conditional rule. To be honest I think it was about time CIC put this rule in place, it hurts nobody. If a person being sponsored is genuine it shouldn't matter to them if CIC introduced a Condition 51 lasting 5 years/10 years etc..

 

[steerpike]

Mikeymike, as always I agree with you. But I think Steerpike's issue from the beginning is that he is under Condition 51. And that because of women making complaints to the government the government introduced this 2 year conditional rule. To be honest I think it was about time CIC put this rule in place, it hurts nobody. If a person being sponsored is genuine it shouldn't matter to them if CIC introduced a Condition 51 lasting 5 years/10 years etc..

Condition 51 is a draconian measure that severely limits the freedom of the PR. Previously, a PR could land, and then immediately return to their home country to finish their education, or wrap of affairs as long as they stayed within the very generous "2 out of every 5 years" rule. With condition 51 all of that is wiped out. Even being apart for a couple of weeks, let alone a month or two could put you in violation of condition 51.

And there is no evidence condition 51 will even help in cases of fraud. Its just one more punishment doled-out to the honest loving couples because a few idiots have zero common sense, refuse to be treated like adults, and don't feel they are responsible for anything they sign or commit too.

 

[jomz]

Condition 51 is a draconian measure that severely limits the freedom of the PR. Previously, a PR could land, and then immediately return to their home country to finish their education, or wrap of affairs as long as they stayed within the very generous "2 out of every 5 years" rule. With condition 51 all of that is wiped out. Even being apart for a couple of weeks, let alone a month or two could put you in violation of condition 51.

And there is no evidence condition 51 will even help in cases of fraud. Its just one more punishment doled-out to the honest loving couples because a few idiots have zero common sense, refuse to be treated like adults, and don't feel they are responsible for anything they sign or commit too.

Not so true. I guess you have not been in Canada long enough to know the previous PR obligations. in the 90s and mid 2000 the PR obligations were such that a PR could not be outside of Canada for more than 6 consecutive months. The 2 out of every 5 years rule hasn't been around that long.

Condition 51 is not a punishment, it was a necessary measure to protect unsuspecting Canadian PRs and Citizens against marriage fraud.

 

[screech339]

Condition 51 is a draconian measure that severely limits the freedom of the PR. Previously, a PR could land, and then immediately return to their home country to finish their education, or wrap of affairs as long as they stayed within the very generous "2 out of every 5 years" rule. With condition 51 all of that is wiped out. Even being apart for a couple of weeks, let alone a month or two could put you in violation of condition 51.

And there is no evidence condition 51 will even help in cases of fraud. Its just one more punishment doled-out to the honest loving couples because a few idiots have zero common sense, refuse to be treated like adults, and don't feel they are responsible for anything they sign or commit too.

Steerpike,

I agree with some of the issues you have posted in the past and other issues I don't agree with.

The 2 year PR condition is something I happened to agree with. This should have been implemented long time ago when US and Australia have been doing for years.

If one person really need to leave Canada after landing to finish education courses overseas, that person can always wait to be sponsored after the courses are done. In other words, you can get married and go back to overseas to continue your studies. After you are done with your studies, you can then get sponsored. Maybe if your lucky, 2 years has passed since you got married and this you won't have 51 conditional PR by the time you finished your studies and submit your PR papers after you finish your studies.

It is considered draconian if you are forced to submit PR papers after marriage by law. But you are not forced to submit the pr papers after marriage or common-law. You can submit anytime you want.

 

[on-hold]

I agree that the sponsor should pay the price -- here's why.

1) the current system with provisional PR gives too much power to the sponsor. I've known too many men who marry foreign women because they are controlling jerks; these women arrive here in great isolation, and now they can't even escape their husbands without risking being sent home and all sorts of shame and public humiliation.

2) Not letting women sponsor younger men is, quite frankly, sexist. For years men have sponsored younger women -- what's sauce for the goose, etc. There's no fool like an old fool, and apparently that applies to women too.

Honestly, the last thing CIC wants to do is try and figure out which marriage is genuine and which is fake. Giving the sponsor some preliminary responsibility puts the onus on them, which is where it should be.

 

[jomz]

I agree that the sponsor should pay the price -- here's why.

1) the current system with provisional PR gives too much power to the sponsor. I've known too many men who marry foreign women because they are controlling jerks; these women arrive here in great isolation, and now they can't even escape their husbands without risking being sent home and all sorts of shame and public humiliation.

2) Not letting women sponsor younger men is, quite frankly, sexist. For years men have sponsored younger women -- what's sauce for the goose, etc. There's no fool like an old fool, and apparently that applies to women too.

Honestly, the last thing CIC wants to do is try and figure out which marriage is genuine and which is fake. Giving the sponsor some preliminary responsibility puts the onus on them, which is where it should be.

1. Again the responsibility should be shared between the sponsor and sponsored person. The conditional PR provides exceptions if abuse or neglect is present, and women or men being abused by the sponsor will not be subject to removal.

"3.4 Exception for abuse or neglect

The condition ceases to apply if a CIC officer determines, based on evidence provided by a sponsored person who is or was subject to the condition, or any other relevant evidence, that the sponsored spouse or partner is or was unable to meet the condition because:

The sponsored spouse or partner, a child of the sponsored spouse/partner and/or of the sponsor, or a person who is related to the sponsored spouse or the sponsor and who is habitually residing in their household, is subjected by the sponsor to any abuse or neglect referred to in s.72.1 (7) of the Regulations; or
The sponsor has failed to provide protection from abuse or neglect by another person who is related to the sponsor, whether that person is residing in the household or not; and
The sponsored spouse or partner has cohabited in a conjugal relationship with the sponsor until the cohabitation ceased as a result of the abuse or neglect.

3.4.1 Assessing evidence of abuse or neglect

Abuse may take many different forms: physical abuse, including assault and forcible confinement; sexual abuse, including sexual contact without consent; psychological abuse, including threats and intimidation; or financial abuse, including fraud and extortion; and neglect consisting of the failure to provide the necessaries of life, such as food, clothing, medical care, shelter, and any other omission that results in a risk of serious harm. Victims may experience more than one form of abuse, s.72.1 (7). See Appendix D – Types of Abuse and Appendix E – Abuse or Neglect Considerations."

 

[soblue3]

of course we have to be responsible for our decisions...and most of the time we are..thats why you have people loosing homes over it...nobody expects the government to pay for supporting people who entered canada under false pretenses...but it is reasonable to expect that laws are in place which protect citizens from being scammed. thank god we live in a country where we are responsible for our children and families but not for cheating lying spouses who decide to just walk. anyway i am not a grandma yet ...not sure why some people are so eager to try to insult others...and why have i not gotten any answer to the proof of that lying? this talk turned into something other than i intended... i only wanted to know more about people sponsoring spouses younger than themselves...how has it turned into sponsors not being responsible for their spouses? it really seems to me that couple of people here are the applicants who expect they will come to canada at the expense of the spouse and already plan that they will be financially supported for ever. well there is no shortage of jobs here....any decent applicant for whom a relationship does not work out would think of returning home or finding a job...no?

 

[soblue3]

The point steerpike and mikeymyke have been trying to make is that you should owe up to your responsibility for your actions. You signed a contract stating that you are responsible for 3 years. You can't turn around and say I am not responsible if my marriage ended shortly after partner landed. You signed a contract so that the government is not on the hook for your unfortunate circumstance if it came to that. It is called being responsible and accountable for your actions. If you had any inkling or doubt about your relationship, you shouldn't sign the papers. It could have been much worst. It used to be 10 years. Be graceful that you are on the hook for 3 years instead of 10 years.

yes signed a contract ..the contract i signed is presuming my husband stays with me for at least 2 ...and if he does not then he maybe deported...that is the contract i signed and i am very happy about that. i see couple of assumptions in your post...1. i can not comprehend what those posts are saying, 2. i am trying already to skip my responsibility to my spouse...lol....i was hoping there would be no such individuals here ...there is enough forums on the net with the sorts of you guys...why not just stay out of my case....if you not able to just simply help a person or answer their questions why are you here?

 

[soblue3]

Steerpike,

I agree with some of the issues you have posted in the past and other issues I don't agree with.

The 2 year PR condition is something I happened to agree with. This should have been implemented long time ago when US and Australia have been doing for years.

If one person really need to leave Canada after landing to finish education courses overseas, that person can always wait to be sponsored after the courses are done. In other words, you can get married and go back to overseas to continue your studies. After you are done with your studies, you can then get sponsored. Maybe if your lucky, 2 years has passed since you got married and this you won't have 51 conditional PR by the time you finished your studies and submit your PR papers after you finish your studies.

It is considered draconian if you are forced to submit PR papers after marriage by law. But you are not forced to submit the pr papers after marriage or common-law. You can submit anytime you want.

that makes total sense. no need to rush to get residency if one does not plan to spend time here.

 

[Obronibini]

Condition 51 is a draconian measure that severely limits the freedom of the PR. Previously, a PR could land, and then immediately return to their home country to finish their education, or wrap of affairs as long as they stayed within the very generous "2 out of every 5 years" rule. With condition 51 all of that is wiped out. Even being apart for a couple of weeks, let alone a month or two could put you in violation of condition 51.

And there is no evidence condition 51 will even help in cases of fraud. Its just one more punishment doled-out to the honest loving couples because a few idiots have zero common sense, refuse to be treated like adults, and don't feel they are responsible for anything they sign or commit too.

it simple finish or complete your school in your home country before you move. I don't see that as an issue , I think they should introduce something to make sponsored spouses responsible for themselves and be kicked out if they can't be useful to themselves , warfare should be for just Canadians . I hate to read some lazy ass claiming wf for years coz someone's paying for it. Am sorry if that doesn't sound right, it just my opinion

 

[Habibti]

of course we have to be responsible for our decisions...and most of the time we are..thats why you have people loosing homes over it...nobody expects the government to pay for supporting people who entered canada under false pretenses...but it is reasonable to expect that laws are in place which protect citizens from being scammed. thank god we live in a country where we are responsible for our children and families but not for cheating lying spouses who decide to just walk. anyway i am not a grandma yet ...not sure why some people are so eager to try to insult others...and why have i not gotten any answer to the proof of that lying? this talk turned into something other than i intended... i only wanted to know more about people sponsoring spouses younger than themselves...how has it turned into sponsors not being responsible for their spouses? it really seems to me that couple of people here are the applicants who expect they will come to canada at the expense of the spouse and already plan that they will be financially supported for ever. well there is no shortage of jobs here....any decent applicant for whom a relationship does not work out would think of returning home or finding a job...no?

It seems the last posts have been off topic. Just want to say that I am sponsoring my husband from Morocco who is 20 years younger than me. We met 6 years ago and got married over 3 years ago. He has been in Canada with me for the past 15 months and all is well (so far). His visa was denied and we appealed. The VO considered there were too many differences between us: age gap, different nationality & culture, different education, different religion, different economic status. I was married before, not him. I had a son from my previous marriage, he has no children and he does not want any. That is the issue that CIC had difficulty with, more than the age difference. They could not understand why my husband does not want any children as it is against his culture and religion.

I wish you don't encounter what I have been through.

 

[soblue3]

It seems the last posts have been off topic. Just want to say that I am sponsoring my husband from Morocco who is 20 years younger than me. We met 6 years ago and got married over 3 years ago. He has been in Canada with me for the past 15 months and all is well (so far). His visa was denied and we appealed. The VO considered there were too many differences between us: age gap, different nationality & culture, different education, different religion, different economic status. I was married before, not him. I had a son from my previous marriage, he has no children and he does not want any. That is the issue that CIC had difficulty with, more than the age difference. They could not understand why my husband does not want any children as it is against his culture and religion.

I wish you don't encounter what I have been through.

Thanks Habibti... i am happy to hear you had been successful. and sorry for the hardships...well i expect some hardships ..not easy to have long distance relationship..so there are hardships already...and then of course having to bear your personal life in front of strangers and having them make decisions about our lives no ...its not easy but i figure we made it so far 2 years and still going strong...we will do what is necessary ...i wish my husband could participate but i am ashamed to have him hear people like steerpike....he has strong moral values and i would not like him to stop considering coming here...lol

 

[Habibti]

Thanks Habibti... i am happy to hear you had been successful. and sorry for the hardships...well i expect some hardships ..not easy to have long distance relationship..so there are hardships already...and then of course having to bear your personal life in front of strangers and having them make decisions about our lives no ...its not easy but i figure we made it so far 2 years and still going strong...we will do what is necessary ...i wish my husband could participate but i am ashamed to have him hear people like steerpike....he has strong moral values and i would not like him to stop considering coming here...lol

When you get married, you take a chance, a big leap.... sponsorship or NOT. My previous husband and I were born the same year in the same province. We had same age, same culture, same religion. With him it was hell and I found myself alone with our son. I had to work hard to reconstruct all my finances. I must say that I am proud of all my accomplishments. That is why it took me so long to get remarried. When I got married the second time, I was aware of the consequences (signing the undertaking) as for the first one I was not aware of anything.

The hardest part for me (as you mentioned) was having complete strangers scrutinize our lives and especially make decisions regarding our future, our life together.

 

[rhcohen2014]

ok, so can someone explain something to me about this whole condition 51 being mentioned? As a sponsored PR, can we not leave Canada for 2 years? I feel like i am mis understanding this argument. I understand being married and living together for 2 years, but not be able to leave canada, go on vacation or visit family just doesn't seem right!

Thanks for any knowledgeable member input.