has anyone been successful sponsoring a younger husband from a different culture

[steerpike]

...but if he should it will be he whom i would blame not the government....if you have some explanation to your comment please let me know.

Theres a lot of cases of women who get scammed after marrying African or South American men, and they turn around and start protesting the government. When they first apply for a spousal visa its all "why is this taking so long? why do they doubt us? why do they ask for so much proof??" then 3 years later its all "why didnt the government protect me? why am I on the hook for his welfare? Why didnt they take longer, investigate more or ask for more proof?".

Theres also a strong sexist element to it because when it happens to men the only comments are "the old fool deserved it" and "he had his fun with a younger woman, so let him pay"

Frankly, its annoying. And worse than that, it damages the lives of honest loving couples.

Here is an example
: http://www.ctvnews.ca/jilted-bride-brings-marriage-fraud-protest-to-ottawa-1.392105

She actually got him deported because she lied and said he had a child (it actually wasn't his) with a 15 year old (she was actually 18) in Africa. : http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/13/questions-linger-about-high-profile-marriage-fraud-case/

There was a more recent case too of some 60 year old grandma marrying a 20-something Cuban hunk. And when he left her (obviously) she went to the government to get tougher and harder laws passed to make spousal sponsorship much more difficult for everyone.

And here are more examples:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/b-c-women-say-they-are-victims-of-marriage-fraud-1.579952

 

[soblue3]

i know of the case of lainie...she is a dancer and met her husband while in africa....and yes he scammed her ...the problem is at that time there were hardly any consequences for those people...he just used her but now there is the 2 year provision. lol as for grandmas marrying 20 year old hunks well as far as i am concerned thats their business and i am sure it would take a lot to convince the immigration people that such relationship is legit...but then you never know. personally i am sure the government has its ways to detect scammers and not sure but you sound just so bitter...do you feel your case got affected because some women complained of being scammed? and fought for the government to make provisions to protect them from those guys who leave as soon as they get there? do you feel there is something wrong with that? or do you have a personal grudge because in my case my husband is younger than me? i personally feel that anybody who has been scammed or taken advantage of should want to ensure that the scammer does not get away with his bad behaviour. and i am pretty sure nobody reasonable who marries somebody out of their own free will would be blaming the government....it is different blaming the government for ones own actions from demanding that immigration scammers bear consequences for their actions

 

[steerpike]

i know of the case of lainie...she is a dancer and met her husband while in africa....and yes he scammed her ...the problem is at that time there were hardly any consequences for those people...he just used her but now there is the 2 year provision.

She lied to get him deported. Yes there is a 2 year provision now, it is called condition 51 and theres no evidence yet it has solved anything.

lol as for grandmas marrying 20 year old hunks well as far as i am concerned thats their business and i am sure it would take a lot to convince the immigration people that such relationship is legit...but then you never know. personally i am sure the government has its ways to detect scammers

Magical thinking? If they had a fool proof way then there wouldn't be a problem. The reality is, there is no test they can apply that can prove if you truely love your spouse. Its actually impossible.

and not sure but you sound just so bitter...do you feel your case got affected because some women complained of being scammed?

Yes my case got affected because i am under condition 51, as you will be too (unless you quickly pop out a baby with him).

it is different blaming the government for ones own actions from demanding that immigration scammers bear consequences for their actions

Ahh so now you've changed your answer. Save your wedding dress for your protest outside the government office in a few years i guess.

Personally, i think adults should be fully responsible for their actions, and I think everyone who marries at their very first meeting should be denied.

 

[soblue3]

really you are entitled to your own opinion...but as for guys who lie that they want to come to be with their spouses (or women) then within 4 weeks leave and think they are home free living on social assistance....i think its wrong and they not only should but have to be deported. as for marrying on the first meeting....well many cultures do that...couples are not allowed to be alone before they marry....so what is wrong with that? we had long time to get to know each other...there was only the question of how we will feel when seeing each other in person....and we did feel good about it...lol...then of course there is those couples where people travel there many times, give the others financial support and even couples who are from the same town and marry and then one of them turns out to be a real sociopath and takes advantage of the other.....really i think the problem that you brought up is you have an issue for people who decide to leave their partner upon arrival to canada being possibly deported? i personally dont have any issues with that...scammers need to go

 

[steerpike]

really you are entitled to your own opinion...but as for guys who lie that they want to come to be with their spouses (or women) then within 4 weeks leave and think they are home free living on social assistance....i think its wrong and they not only should but have to be deported. as for marrying on the first meeting....well many cultures do that...

Meeting on the internet and marrying after the first date is not part of anyones culture. But maybe i'm just an old fashioned romantic.

couples are not allowed to be alone before they marry....so what is wrong with that? we had long time to get to know each other...there was only the question of how we will feel when seeing each other in person....and we did feel good about it...lol...then of course there is those couples where people travel there many times, give the others financial support and even couples who are from the same town and marry and then one of them turns out to be a real sociopath and takes advantage of the other.....really i think the problem that you brought up is you have an issue for people who decide to leave their partner upon arrival to canada being possibly deported? i personally dont have any issues with that...scammers need to go

I have a problem with someone sponsoring someone to come to Canada, agreeing to pay their welfare - no matter what - for 3 years and then weasling out of it when it becomes inconvenient for them. He wasnt deported because he left her. He was deported because she lied about him and convinced CIC he had a child which he didn't declare. I have a problem with people being deported who followed all the rules and havent broken any laws.

Marriages don't always last. Its an unfortunate aspect of reality. And it's not always the mans fault when they breakdown. When you sponsor someone, you should be on the hook for their welfare for at least 3 years. Letting idiots off the hook just because they happen to be female is bad public policy. Punishing everyone just because a small minority has no common sense when it comes to marriage is also bad public policy.

 

[soblue3]

again you entitled to your opinions but my reminds that scammers need to go....its not only the sponsors who agrees to take care of the other ...the other agrees that their motives are true and he is coming to canada for the purpose to be with his spouse. anybody who leaves after 4 weeks obviously has another agenda and should be treated accordingly. much cheaper for them to take a plane back than for the government to deal with supporting them or paying for the legal procedures.

 

[steerpike]

again you entitled to your opinions but my reminds that scammers need to go....its not only the sponsors who agrees to take care of the other ...the other agrees that their motives are true and he is coming to canada for the purpose to be with his spouse. anybody who leaves after 4 weeks obviously has another agenda and should be treated accordingly. much cheaper for them to take a plane back than for the government to deal with supporting them or paying for the legal procedures.

I dont need you to tell me which opinions i am entitled to. You have zero say in my rights.

In the case of marriage fraud, both partners should be punished. Treating the person who sponsored as a "vicitim" is ridiculous and sexist. They are an accessory to the fraud. And as far as whats cheaper, the government wouldnt have had to pay for him anyway, it was the sponsor who was responsible.

In the end, legal procedure should be followed. In the case you champion, the woman only got her why by lying to authorities. It is ridiculous that you suport that.

 

[soblue3]

no i dont support lying ...by the way whats your proof? i am assuming her story is true ...if you know for sure she lied please share how?

 

[CdnandTrini]

Theres a lot of cases of women who get scammed after marrying African or South American men, and they turn around and start protesting the government.

Frankly, its annoying. And worse than that, it damages the lives of honest loving couples.

Frankly what's truly annoying is when people come on this forum and throw out a few high profile media links as "facts". The fact is the gov't (CIC and/or any other dept. i.e., CBSA) do not now, nor have they ever tracked marriage fraud statistics. They do not have the staff or the integrated systems. The same goes for the conditional PR. Implemented with absolutely no way to track, gather/document stats or enforce it. The media cases gave Jason Kenney, the former immigration minister a convenient way to implement more of his draconian measures - such as eliminating thousands of honest loving people who patiently waited years in the immigration queue for their turn. Which is why the gov't is now dealing with a class action legal case filed against them.

Not only are you are being harsh and judgmental to a newbie - why would you even need to question someone else's ability to be responsible for their own decisions??.......- worse than that are your own bitter (as soblue3 accurately identified) and "sexist" attitudes littered throughout your posts on this topic. How is that helpful to anyone?

So there's not actually "a lot" of cases but please feel free to share your African/South American men research results/theories with us. I'm probably not the only one interested as to why you selected those groups as being more likely to "scam". Or your other well documented categories of "grandmas and Cuban hunks"...lol......now that would be helpful !!

 

[Alurra71]

I dont need you to tell me which opinions i am entitled to. You have zero say in my rights.

In the case of marriage fraud, both partners should be punished. Treating the person who sponsored as a "vicitim" is ridiculous and sexist. They are an accessory to the fraud. And as far as whats cheaper, the government wouldnt have had to pay for him anyway, it was the sponsor who was responsible.

In the end, legal procedure should be followed. In the case you champion, the woman only got her why by lying to authorities. It is ridiculous that you suport that.

I think many of the cases that turn out as 'fraud' really do feel their marriage is honest and truly loving. Of course there are those who intentionally do this via being paid to 'immigrate' someone's daughter, son, father, what have you, but we are talking SPECIFICALLY about those who THOUGHT they had an honest loving relationship here and it turned out what they thought and what was true wasn't the same.

So, what will you do if you find yourself in that position? Do you think you should be punished if it happened because you have already stated here that you believe your marriage is true and honest?

 

[steerpike]

Frankly what's truly annoying is when people come on this forum and throw out a few high profile media links as "facts". The fact is the gov't (CIC and/or any other dept. i.e., CBSA) do not now, nor have they ever tracked marriage fraud statistics. They do not have the staff or the integrated systems. The same goes for the conditional PR. Implemented with absolutely no way to track, gather/document stats or enforce it. The media cases gave Jason Kenney, the former immigration minister a convenient way to implement more of his draconian measures - such as eliminating thousands of honest loving people who patiently waited years in the immigration queue for their turn. Which is why the gov't is now dealing with a class action legal case filed against them.

You disagree with every single thing the newbie has been saying... and then write:

Not only are you are being harsh and judgmental to a newbie - why would you even need to question someone else's ability to be responsible for their own decisions??.......- worse than that are your own bitter (as soblue3 accurately identified) and "sexist" attitudes littered throughout your posts on this topic. How is that helpful to anyone?

You really have lost track of the positions in this argument. She has openly stated she should not be responsible if her husband leaves her.

So there's not actually "a lot" of cases but please feel free to share your African/South American men research results/theories with us. I'm probably not the only one interested as to why you selected those groups as being more likely to "scam". Or your other well documented categories of "grandmas and Cuban hunks"...lol......now that would be helpful !!

Sure, heres the article about the grandma. Who was approved. And then protested being approved.

http://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2013/02/07/marriage_to_cuban_leaves_brampton_bride_brokenhearted_and_broke.html

And we will see this newbie right back here in a few years doing the same thing.

 

[CdnandTrini]

You disagree with every single thing the newbie has been saying... and then write:

You really have lost track of the positions in this argument. She has openly stated she should not be responsible if her husband leaves her.

Sure, heres the article about the grandma. Who was approved. And then protested being approved.

http://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2013/02/07/marriage_to_cuban_leaves_brampton_bride_brokenhearted_and_broke.html

And we will see this newbie right back here in a few years doing the same thing.

Tsk tsk.....still picking on the newbie???? I think that's called ummmm......bullying....yes...that's the word. Your poor wife .......and grandma. Please pass along my sympathies to them.

 

[drewday]

 

[jomz]

You disagree with every single thing the newbie has been saying... and then write:

You really have lost track of the positions in this argument. She has openly stated she should not be responsible if her husband leaves her.

Sure, heres the article about the grandma. Who was approved. And then protested being approved.

http://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2013/02/07/marriage_to_cuban_leaves_brampton_bride_brokenhearted_and_broke.html

And we will see this newbie right back here in a few years doing the same thing.

steerpike have you heard of the expression "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" This forum is about helping each other overcome difficulties we sometimes find ourselves in in this immigration process. The government's introduction of condition 51 has nothing to do with the complaints they have received. Remember the goverment always has, and always will change policy to suite them, and not to suite the Canadian public.

 

[mikeymyke]

Although steerpike is pretty harsh, I do agree with him that the sponsor should unfortunately, have to pay the price if the applicant suddenly disappears. It is after all, written in the sponsorship agreement that you are to support your spouse for 3 years, and if you do not agree with it, don't sign it.

Marriage is one of the single biggest events of anyone's life, and people should get to know their spouse thoroughly before embarking on such an enormous life changing event. Although I do agree we as human beings, should be free to marry anyone we wish, there are also lots of people who just blindly fall in love, not understand their partner well enough, and just basically turn a blind eye to any red flags from them, and they become easy pickings for people who want to enter Canada. I know we as Canadians, enjoy such great benefits and freedom from our country for such a long time that we tend to feel we are entitled to everything. Entitled to marry who we wish, bring in who we wish, offended at being interviewed by a visa officer, ("How dare they question the legitimacy of our marriage? They should let in anyone I want without question! This is Canada!"). And because of that sense of entitlement, unscrupulous people take advantage of us, mock our generous immigration laws in the past, and suddenly, marriage fraud became rampant. Lots of people suddenly see marriage as an easy way to enter the country, because you don't need English requirement, job skills, etc, you just need to be simply married. And since we are so generous, let's just give them PR the second they land, and if they leave their sponsor, they'll still get to keep their PR, no questions asked! (pre Condition 51 era). We were so generous, it took us many years, until finally in Oct 2012, when they introduced the conditional PR requirement WAY after most countries have implemented it. Canada is a great country because of our generous immigration laws, but at the same time, that's also our weakness because it opens us up to people who want to find easy ways to enter the country.

Whether you marry someone on the first meeting, or you're together for 10 years, just remember, marriage and sponsorship are both big responsibilites, take it seriously and do your due diligence.