Why do CRS draws seem like stock market? Do they make sense to you guys?

[Asivad Anac]

Ugly truth. #Fact

Here the only difference being Syrian refugees are not denied entry/application rejected because Canadians immigration officials think they are not good enough (Read incomplete documentation, insufficient PoF for FSW, you are too old to get any higher points, your english is ok, but could have been better, PCC doesn't cover a couple of months of vacation in Bali...blah..blah etc. etc...)

Which is exactly how the democratically elected Canadian government wants it. And outsider opinions on policy decisions don't matter to them. IRCC officers simply perform their duties and do exactly what they are told - they are the closest to a Vogon you would find on this planet.

 

[CanadaWeCome]

Which is exactly how the democratically elected Canadian government wants it. And outsider opinions on policy decisions don't matter to them. IRCC officers simply perform their duties and do exactly what they are told - they are the closest to a Vogon you would find on this planet.

I do understand the reasons for the Syrians...and also the arguments that "It's their country, their prerogative etc etc...

but is it necessary to brutally reject applicants for not providing the original education certificates, missing translations, or few says of stay not covered under PCC (one residence address not covered - Indian scenarios), Application rejected as packet received on 46th day (for OINP) or "I am not convinced you job is permanent, or paid etc...???

What i mean is they can (and probably should) be strict but not ruthless. Applicants should be given opportunity to explain stuff or resubmit the corrected documents and not summarily reject on such frivolous grounds, that am sure can be corrected upon request/resubmission, give the opportunity & time.

Am sure you know what i am trying to say here...I am not complaining but these things are bound to hurt genuine people/applicants (that too who are skilled and deserving).

 

[245east84]

What i mean is they can (and probably should) be strict but not ruthless. Applicants should be given opportunity to explain stuff or resubmit the corrected documents and not summarily reject on such frivolous grounds, that am sure can be corrected upon request/resubmission, give the opportunity & time.

The Canadian immigration system that was there in place before express entry was one which would follow up with every applicant if documents were missing. However, that system was bogged down and they could not keep up with the work load and follow ups. Applications took YEARS to process.

The new express entry prioritizes efficiency and has managed to process most applications in 6 months. If a few people get rejected due to incomplete docs, those rejected applicants can reapply and get processed faster than the old system could.

 

[Hansdza]

Which is exactly how the democratically elected Canadian government wants it. And outsider opinions on policy decisions don't matter to them. IRCC officers simply perform their duties and do exactly what they are told - they are the closest to a Vogon you would find on this planet.

+1 Spot on...

As always, wise statement from (in my opinion) the most valuable contributor in this forum..

Immigration,, ahhhhh, you know what guys? I think some of us (members of this forum) should be a politician someday to change those policies AND listen to this forum..

 

[crosstheevil]

I'm suspecting that they need immigrants to keep the real estate market going. Somehow housing prices always rise. Not sure to continue this journey or not if rejected.

 

[ay238]

By the way, Syrian refugees have as much right of immigrating to Canada as skilled workers. Both processes follow acts of Parliament and are implemented in exactly the way the Canadian government wants it to be done. Outsider opinions don't matter, only the opinions of Canadian voters and lawmakers do.

Is there a chance you misunderstood my comment? I wasn't saying anything against the Syrian refugees. I was talking about how low the number is for Skilled workers immigrating, and using Syrian refugees for contrast. I mean, if you have to make up artificial numbers (What say? 25K sounds right for refugees, nice round number? How about the CRS - 450 sounds right!), the number of skilled workers you want should probably be much higher than the refugees.


EDIT: Ok, do I have no idea of how the immigration process works? It seems Express Entry is not the only method of taking skilled immigrants in? I just saw an email from CIC News and they have a report about the 2015 target of Economic category was 181,300 (and its supposed to go down to 160,600 in 2016). Is this bad news?

Here is the list:

ECONOMIC IMMIGRATION PROGRAM	2016 LEVELS PLAN TARGET
FEDERAL ECONOMIC – HIGH SKILLED*	58,400
FEDERAL ECONOMIC – CAREGIVERS	22,000
FEDERAL ECONOMIC – BUSINESS	800
PROVINCIAL NOMINEE PROGRAM	47,800
QUEBEC SKILLED WORKER	26,200
QUEBEC BUSINESS	5,400
OVERALL	160,600

 

[CanadaWeCome]

Is there a chance you misunderstood my comment? I wasn't saying anything against the Syrian refugees. I was talking about how low the number is for Skilled workers immigrating, and using Syrian refugees for contrast. I mean, if you have to make up artificial numbers (What say? 25K sounds right for refugees, nice round number? How about the CRS - 450 sounds right!), the number of skilled workers you want should probably be much higher than the refugees.

What @Asivad is saying is that 'you' in your statement above is (and should be) Government of Canada and neither us interested parties nor the Syrian refugees themselves.

 

[kateg]

Immigration,, ahhhhh, you know what guys? I think some of us (members of this forum) should be a politician someday to change those policies AND listen to this forum..

I'm considering it, though most of the forum members might not like my policies.

 

[kateg]

EDIT: Ok, do I have no idea of how the immigration process works? It seems Express Entry is not the only method of taking skilled immigrants in? I just saw an email from CIC News and they have a report about the 2015 target of Economic category was 181,300 (and its supposed to go down to 160,600 in 2016). Is this bad news?

Yes, it is bad news for Canada. There are more immigrants this year (about 20,000 more), but they are reducing the number of economic immigrants to focus on more family class and quite a few more refugee classes (both of which pay less in taxes, and use more in services).

Yay.

 

[andy108]

So instead of Skilled People, they are talking thousands of unskilled, most of whom do not speak English/French and who can in long term cause troubles, as some will not be able to find a proper job and will remain unemployed and will live at the expense of a state. :-X

 

[Asivad Anac]

EDIT: Ok, do I have no idea of how the immigration process works? It seems Express Entry is not the only method of taking skilled immigrants in? I just saw an email from CIC News and they have a report about the 2015 target of Economic category was 181,300 (and its supposed to go down to 160,600 in 2016). Is this bad news?

Yes. Very bad news.

But opinions on this forum wont make the slightest difference to their politics or their policies. Only the opinions of Canadian citizens and businesses and special interest groups would.

 

[ay238]

Yes. Very bad news.

What I am trying to understand is if it is bad news for someone like me

Last year there were only a little over 30K ITAs issued. As per the news they are targeting 58,400 in this class - FEDERAL ECONOMIC – HIGH SKILLED. Does this mean EE FSW? If yes, and if they are actually trying to meet this target, I can only see this as good news because its an improvement over last year. Is there something I am missing?

 

[CanadaWeCome]

What I am trying to understand is if it is bad news for someone like me

Last year there were only a little over 30K ITAs issued. As per the news they are targeting 58,400 in this class - FEDERAL ECONOMIC – HIGH SKILLED. Does this mean EE FSW? If yes, and if they are actually trying to meet this target, I can only see this as good news because its an improvement over last year. Is there something I am missing?

In fact it's actually a reduction in total FSW immigrants.

30k ITAs is not same as 58,400 FSW immigrants.

58,400 FSW immigrants is equivalent to 14.6k (approx.) ITAs only assuming a family size of 4 which is what they assume for calculation purpose.

 

[Asivad Anac]

What I am trying to understand is if it is bad news for someone like me

Last year there were only a little over 30K ITAs issued. As per the news they are targeting 58,400 in this class - FEDERAL ECONOMIC – HIGH SKILLED. Does this mean EE FSW? If yes, and if they are actually trying to meet this target, I can only see this as good news because its an improvement over last year. Is there something I am missing?

Last year, there were about 24,000 additional CEC allocations which have been bundled in with FSW/FST this year. Those 24,000 odd spots have been distributed largely among family class and refugees. The combined aggregate of CEC/FSW/FST has actually come down to below 60,000 from last year's combined aggregate of nearly 80,000+. In other words, Canada is taking in 20% fewer economic immigrants in 2016 compared with the previous year. And that is bad news if you are an economic immigrant. Not bad news for EVERY economic immigrant for sure. But bad news for the group as a whole. Because there are lesser numbers required, IRCC can keep the draw numbers artificially high throughout 2016.

 

[kateg]

Because there are lesser numbers required, IRCC can keep the draw numbers artificially high throughout 2016.

They have enough of backlog still (per latest released numbers) that they can keep the scores high even without the new changes.