sponsorship of parents and grandparents for Canadian Permanent Residence

[zardoz]

For clarity, because some people are confused, the Regulations state

(B) has a total income that is at least equal to the minimum necessary income, plus 30%, for each of the three consecutive taxation years immediately preceding the date of filing of the sponsorship application,

This is NOT the same as the "last three years".

 

[goal80]

Of course I still don't know if my application will get rejected or not. I am still hopeful. You guys in this forum who claim to be "experts" are by no means an immigration officer, so you cannot predict how my application will fare during initial or final assessment. CIC have been incredibly unfair to people in our boat because they have been claiming all this while that they need income proof for 3 years preceding the date of application, and based on that I have been preparing and meticulously collecting pay stubs, bank statement etc for months now. I do hope my application gets counted towards the 5000 cap and gets processed based on 2013 income! And I by no means am any less deserving to sponsor my parents than those who are submitting 2010+2011+2012 income proof!

We are not experts.
However in the CIC website - in the following FAQ:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=825&t=14
It clearly indicates:

How can I show proof of income for 2013 in my application to sponsor a parent or grandparent?
The sponsor’s total income will be calculated on the basis of notices of assessment issued by the Canada Revenue Agency for each of the three consecutive taxation years before the application was submitted.

A sponsor applying on January 2, 2014 will be required to provide proof of income for 2010, 2011 and 2012, given that the notice of assessment for 2013 would not be available at the time of the application.

 

[user828]

We are not experts.
However in the CIC website - in the following FAQ:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=825&t=14
It clearly indicates:

Its more simpler if we read it like

Those who have NOA for last 3 years, does 2013 have NOA? no, then its 2010-2012 and the site calculation says so too. We had this discussion, long time back and we were all waiting as the language said NOA for preceding years or something like that.

 

[ZIDYAY]

The problem is that paystubs are not veritable source of income for CIC.

How did you know that CIC will not honor/accept paystubs and certificate of employment showing salaries paid to the employee as proof of income for 2013. Are you with the CIC? The CRA has definite record of income taxes that have been paid for by employees for any period of time. While these documents were not included in the list, there is no mention either that they will not consider these documents.

 

[sunshinemrc]

The problem is that paystubs are not veritable source of income for CIC.

How did you know that CIC will not honor/accept paystubs and certificate of employment showing salaries paid to the employee as proof of income for 2013. Are you with the CIC? The CRA has definite record of income taxes that have been paid for by employees for any period of time. While these documents were not included in the list, there is no mention either that they will not consider these documents.

Because they said so on their website. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2013/ob561.asp

"In practical terms, this means that, under the amended regulations, to be eligible, prospective sponsors of parents and grandparents must meet the following requirements:

They must demonstrate that for the three consecutive taxation years preceding the date of their application, their income, including the income of the co-signer, if applicable, is equal to or greater than the annual MNI plus 30% for each of the three years;
They must submit a Notice of Assessment (NOA) or an equivalent document (Option C print out) issued by the CRA to substantiate the amount of their income and their co-signer's income, if applicable, for each of the three consecutive years preceding the date of their application (for example, in January 2014, applicants must submit the NOA or Option C print out for 2012, 2011 and 2010 taxation years). No other proof of income will be accepted;"

 

[scylla]

The problem is that paystubs are not veritable source of income for CIC.

How did you know that CIC will not honor/accept paystubs and certificate of employment showing salaries paid to the employee as proof of income for 2013. Are you with the CIC? The CRA has definite record of income taxes that have been paid for by employees for any period of time. While these documents were not included in the list, there is no mention either that they will not consider these documents.

A few people here have actually gone to the trouble of calling the CIC call centre and were told that only NOAs or Options Cs were acceptable.

 

[Rob_TO]

How did you know that CIC will not honor/accept paystubs and certificate of employment showing salaries paid to the employee as proof of income for 2013.

Because CIC said so: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/backgrounders/2013/2013-05-10b.asp
Evidence of income confined to documents issued by the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA): Individuals who seek to sponsor their parents and grandparents and their accompanying family members will be required to demonstrate that they meet the new income threshold for three consecutive years using CRA notices of assessment. This will mean that officials could spend less time reviewing and verifying documents and could help speed up processing times even further.

CIC will not bother listing all the documents they won't accept, as that is pointless. They very clearly stated that CRA docs are the ONLY acceptable forms of proof, and paystubs/employer letters etc are definitely NOT issued from the CRA. These types of proofs will not even be considered.

The whole point of these new rules is to make processing easier and faster. If visa officers need to start checking into incomes by verifying paystubs or other docs NOT issued by the CRA, and asking for more info, it slows down the entire process and that is what CIC is trying to prevent. So they are making it incredibly simple for the visa officers going forward. If you don't meet the specific criteria for proof from the CRA, and app is simply rejected.

 

[nabeel]

hi everyone;
MY Timeline...

FAM Parents/Grandparents

App filled May 2009
LVO transfer December 2012
Additional Documents asked by CHC Islamabad May 2013
dependents Included
still waiting for medical request........can anybody have a guess that how much time still to go for medical request?anybody have 2009 case done their medicals?its hard to wait 7 months passed documents send to chc isb(schedule A, IMM 5406, additional family information, supplementary information form for pakistani nationals).can anyone have timeline similar to it share ur experience

 

[VSZ]

I am using this forum for the first time, s don't know how to post my query and thus using reply option. My issue is with 2010 income as I myself immigrated to Canada in Nov 2010, thus don't have sufficient income in Canada to meet CIC's criteria for 2010. Athough, if I add my income from India (converted to CAD $), I meet the minimum limit but don't have any NOA/option C to prove that. Pls advise...

 

[Rob_TO]

I am using this forum for the first time, s don't know how to post my query and thus using reply option. My issue is with 2010 income as I myself immigrated to Canada in Nov 2010, thus don't have sufficient income in Canada to meet CIC's criteria for 2010. Athough, if I add my income from India (converted to CAD $), I meet the minimum limit but don't have any NOA/option C to prove that. Pls advise...

If your 2010 Canadian income does not meet LICO, then you do not qualify for this year to sponsor parents.

If your income does qualify in 2011, 2012 and 2013, then you will possibly be able to sponsor them starting in January 2015.

 

[imoulvi]

Hello all,
I understand that this might have been discussed but it really bugs me why would CIC reject an application if the signatures papers are scanned copies and not originals. Totally does not make any logic but can somebody say for sure that the application may be rejected because of this trivial issue?

 

[screech339]

Hello all,
I understand that this might have been discussed but it really bugs me why would CIC reject an application if the signatures papers are scanned copies and not originals. Totally does not make any logic but can somebody say for sure that the application may be rejected because of this trivial issue?

This makes perfect sense to me. Original inked signature is to prevent fraud. One could easily make a fake signature and "scan" it without any verification that the signature is real. The inked signature takes away the doubt.

Screech339

 

[imoulvi]

This makes perfect sense to me. Original inked signature is to prevent fraud. One could easily make a fake signature and "scan" it without any verification that the signature is real. The inked signature takes away the doubt.

Screech339

I see your point but easier than doing that would be just to fake your parents signature yourself! I was hoping to know for sure whether an application can be rejected due to the scanned signature.

 

[goal80]

This makes perfect sense to me. Original inked signature is to prevent fraud. One could easily make a fake signature and "scan" it without any verification that the signature is real. The inked signature takes away the doubt.

Screech339

I'm curious to know
If the applicant has a representative. Can this representative sign the applications on his behalf ?

 

[screech339]

I see your point but easier than doing that would be just to fake your parents signature yourself! I was hoping to know for sure whether an application can be rejected due to the scanned signature.

Faking your parents signature is just as bad but could probably get away with it. Maybe when the parents land, they may notice the differences in their signatures between the application signed versus COPR signatures.

I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of those sponsoring their parents while parents are in their home countries, actually fake their parents signatures on the forms knowing full well of the 5000 deadline cap and competition with parents' signature already in Canada on supervisa on application. Parents already here on supervisa have the advantage in that they are here to sign the documents themselves.

Screech339