sponsorship of parents and grandparents for Canadian Permanent Residence

[Rob_TO]

My case is a bit complicated. We entered Canada in May 2011. So I can get only 2 Options Cs which one is half year. Can I claim my UK income and add it?

Assuming you started to meet LICO+30% in 2012, then with 2012, 2013 and 2014 LOAs/Option Cs, you could most likely send in a parents application starting in January 2016.

 

[nina.roy]

Thanks Nina. Did you send the 2010 Option C's with your application too? If not, they might just return the application as incomplete without assessing it like some members here said previously. Although the problem is that if the 2010 Option C's are included, the application will be counted as complete, but only assessed sometime in 2017 and as we know, it will be denied.

I think as long as no decision is made on the current application, you cannot submit a new one for sponsorship of your parents either. So we're caught between a rock and a hard place.

I'm thinking of sending the application without the 2010 Option C's. That will be a test case to find out how strict CIC is on inclusion of 3 Option C's and if they will accept my request to consider other evidence while the 2013 NoA comes through.

Best of luck for your case!

I had the option C print out for all 3 years (2010,2011,2012), but did not submit it as no where in the Guide does it say option C print out is mandatory. It states NOA OR Option C. I think that CIC can obtain our Option C printout directly from CRA if they wanted to verify the data in NOA.

I'm pretty sure that the initial screening does not merely count the docs submitted, they will review the data in the Financial Eval form to determine if a sponsor is eligible to sponsor or not. And during that screening they will notice that the figures are not from yr 2010 and are from yr 2013, and when they check the 3 NOAs, they will realize that I did not qualify for yr 2010 and return the docs as ineligible. Plus I clearly stated in my covering letter that I qualify based on 2011/12/13 years only. So I don't think I will have to wait 2 years to hear back on the status of my application. If I don't hear anything back by end of this year, I will write a letter to CIC to withdraw my application (as we can do that at anytime), and by Dec 2014, I'm pretty sure CIC mail-received load will be next to nil as the cap will be filled well before that time, so my letter should reach in time to withdraw my application.

In addition to that, my application will most likely be returned because I attached scanned copies of forms which required my parents signature. That was the fastest method I knew of, and I had no idea that CIC would have issues with this method, which I later found out reading through these forum posts.

I also ticked that box that says to continue processing even if found in-eligible (no fee will be refund). I keep checking my Credit Card account online to see how much they have deducted to get an early indication if my application has been touched by someone or not

Quite honestly I'm appalled with all these do's and don'ts of this application. Many of them defy logic..... I'll keep you guys posted on what happens with my application.

 

[zardoz]

So, you know that your application will fail?
And yet you have now tied up one of the 5000 slots if it is accepted as "complete".
So, somebody out there is going to be rejected because of you?

 

[goal80]

So, you know that your application will fail?
And yet you have now tied up one of the 5000 slots if it is accepted as "complete".
So, somebody out there is going to be rejected because of you?

I beleive a lot of people have done that or they sent pay stubs of 2013 because they don't meet 2010 requirements
I hope that CIC detects this type of applications in the first screen and don't count them in the cap of 5000

 

[Rob_TO]

I beleive a lot of people have done that or they sent pay stubs of 2013 because they don't meet 2010 requirements
I hope that CIC detects this type of applications in the first screen and don't count them in the cap of 5000

Item #5 of Supporting Docs in the checklist, clearly states THREE years of Option C/NOA is required in the app. So anyone who submitted only 2011 and 2012 NOA, will most likely just be counted as application incomplete and returned, WITHOUT affecting the 5000 cap. Pay stubs or T4s will most likely just be dismissed/ignored by CIC since they are not acceptable forms of proof.

However someone that does include 2010,11,12 NOA/Option C, will most likely be accepted for further processing no matter what the incomes actually are. The initial review will simply be checking to ensure the forms are complete. Actual family size check and financial analysis for LICO requirements should be done later. So these apps will take up a space in the 5000 cap.

 

[screech339]

I think CIC should enforce the 2010, 2011, 2012 income requirement only for 2014 parent sponsorship. This way if you can't meet 2010, you can't use 2013 towards 2014. You have to wait until the following year if you want to use 2013 income towards sponsorship. No ifs, buts about it.

This is no difference from school years. If your child turns 4 on or before Dec 31, only then the child can register for school. Your child's born in the new year, tough, wait til next year.

There is a reason why 2010 is needed for 2014 applicants, 2013 tax year is not available for CIC to confirm income qualification as 2013 taxes are not completed/processed. Along with the fact that 2013 minimum income is not even listed at all. CIC can't verify 2013 income qualification if they don't even know the number to qualify yet. By sending in 2013 paystubs, etc or waiting for 2013 NOA shows that you are either desperate or unwilling to be patience and follow the rule requirement or willing to accept the fact that you cannot submit your parents sponsorship.

Screech339

 

[goal80]

Item #5 of Supporting Docs in the checklist, clearly states THREE years of Option C/NOA is required in the app. So anyone who submitted only 2011 and 2012 NOA, will most likely just be counted as application incomplete and returned, WITHOUT affecting the 5000 cap. Pay stubs or T4s will most likely just be dismissed/ignored by CIC since they are not acceptable forms of proof.

However someone that does include 2010,11,12 NOA/Option C, will most likely be accepted for further processing no matter what the incomes actually are. The initial review will simply be checking to ensure the forms are complete. Actual family size check and financial analysis for LICO requirements should be done later. So these apps will take up a space in the 5000 cap.

How long will take this verification to know if the application is counted within the cap of 5000 or no ?

 

[Rob_TO]

How long will take this verification to know if the application is counted within the cap of 5000 or no ?

That depends entirely on how many staff CPC-M has dedicated to sorting through the initial 5000+ apps, and how many apps they can do the quick initial assessment on per day. I guess at least a months delay or longer before the cap is announced as reached, but it's just a complete guess.

 

[user828]

If they are really diligent - basic things to check is 3 years income reported in that form, doc checklist and Option C confirming that. This is besides name, sig etc. I am sure they will have a large pool and toss the proper ones and when they see 5K capped, back goes the one with mistakes, incomplete forms, less income etc

 

[goal80]

It will be nice if CIC announce the number of applications received at the end of this week

 

[nina.roy]

So, you know that your application will fail?
And yet you have now tied up one of the 5000 slots if it is accepted as "complete".
So, somebody out there is going to be rejected because of you?

Of course I still don't know if my application will get rejected or not. I am still hopeful. You guys in this forum who claim to be "experts" are by no means an immigration officer, so you cannot predict how my application will fare during initial or final assessment. CIC have been incredibly unfair to people in our boat because they have been claiming all this while that they need income proof for 3 years preceding the date of application, and based on that I have been preparing and meticulously collecting pay stubs, bank statement etc for months now. I do hope my application gets counted towards the 5000 cap and gets processed based on 2013 income! And I by no means am any less deserving to sponsor my parents than those who are submitting 2010+2011+2012 income proof!

 

[screech339]

If they are really diligent - basic things to check is 3 years income reported in that form, doc checklist and Option C confirming that. This is besides name, sig etc. I am sure they will have a large pool and toss the proper ones and when they see 5K capped, back goes the one with mistakes, incomplete forms, less income etc

Not sure by what you mean tossing the proper ones and then going back to the ones with mistakes once the 5000 cap is reached.

If they do this properly, they will make sure all the 3 option C prints for 2010, 2011, 2012 along with checklist, names and signatures. once it is consided a complete application, it goes towards the cap. Once the cap is reach. They will go back to the 5000 applications and go through them with a fine tooth comb. If an application has been rejected due to not meeting minimum, or misrepresentation, it will get rejected. They will not likely to go back to applications unprocessed to replace the rejected application back to 5000 cap. The end result of the 5000 cap will not likely to be maxed out. I think every year, the total applications processed completely will never be 5000. This is my theory as to how this will play out. We can only wait for official results of applications processed from CIC and see if they do in fact max out the applications, replacing rejected applications in the 5000 or less than 5000 application actually processed and completed.

Screech339

 

[user828]

Toss to the good pile and when the good pile is 5K, rest dont matter anyway

 

[screech339]

Of course I still don't know if my application will get rejected or not. I am still hopeful. You guys in this forum who claim to be "experts" are by no means an immigration officer, so you cannot predict how my application will fare during initial or final assessment. CIC have been incredibly unfair to people in our boat because they have been claiming all this while that they need income proof for 3 years preceding the date of application, and based on that I have been preparing and meticulously collecting pay stubs, bank statement etc for months now. I do hope my application gets counted towards the 5000 cap and gets processed based on 2013 income! And I by no means am any less deserving to sponsor my parents than those who are submitting 2010+2011+2012 income proof!

Yes we are not CIC agents or experts. But you seem to think that actual CIC agents are going to turn a blind eye to those who don't follow the checklist requirements.

I am sure you are deserving in having the same rights as everyone else to be able to sponsor their parents. However CIC have been saying for months they will only accept income verified by CRA by Option C printout or NOA for previous 3 years. The problem is that paystubs are not veritable source of income for CIC. Plus 2013 minimum are not released yet. Also 2013 tax year are not even started and probably won't until March when everyone gets their T4 slips to file their income tax.

You seems to be so intent on trying to bend the rules, hoping yours will go through because you didn't meet the 2010 income requirement and hope that CIC will turn a blind eye to your 2013 paystubs submittal. That is totally unfair for those who do have 2010 NOA. CIC have to treat everyone the same with the same requirements and rules. No favourism.

Screech339

 

[user828]

Nina

The race starts at 2010 - however, will have to remain like this till the end of the sponsorship. The journey is seriously tough, ask us oldies ???