petition call to Ministry of Immigration for CIC's poor practice

[Dr Eng X]

For those who assume its a right to enter Canada, or any other country. No, it is not a right. It is a privilege and a generosity granted by Canada on behalf of its citizens. As such we need to respect and understand the process and requirements. We need to show patience. I believe the onus is on the applicant to prove they meet the requirements of this generosity offered to them. It is not a right. It is not like a court of law where innocent are innocent until proven guilty. Applicants should take it seriously enough to research and KNOW ahead of time what is involved in the process, the extent to which they may be required to go to meet requirements, and the potential results. No application is guaranteed successful, no timeline is guaranteed. Applicants need to understand how difficult their situation may be, and thus be prepared for a lenghty process, higher risk of denial, and extra steps that may be required. Most of us know this and accept this knowing this is the risk and the effort we must make to be with our families etc. The price we must pay.

Sorry for the long reply again, but just a little perspective. I wish all serious and legitimate applicants a very speedy and successful process. With God's good graces, and a little patience, our applications will be approved all in good time.

Since I do not have your eluqence. I'll say things in points:

-Place yourself in someone else's shoes. What if I told you (as a Canadian citizen)? You should be very grateful that I have allowed your wife to come to Canada. You should be very grateful that after few years she (from that country or race or ..) can enter my beautiful country.....

-You say CIC processing time is a must to save us. No it is NOT. There is a whole descipline called industrial engineering which I have not seen applied anywhere from simple traffic to government systems. The system has to be optimized. I do not want to side track but unfortunately I am not happy about the current government at all.
a side note I was a big supporter of Obama during last election I have not seen his skin color but I do not really like when people claim more rights because of abusive history or they were treated bad in the past.

-I see there are simple solutions and looking at the system from different angles and continuously improving it. Also continuously adjusting the objectives to meet final goals
I'll explain this quickly, the system is put in place to prevent abuser...ok but now it is hurting innocent people like you and me (Do not please say NO because your case took few months, or say mine was straightforward...that is very selfish...many others have straight forward cases but can not even get an AOR which was simply one of the reasons for this thread
Now what options for CIC... they have to reconsider how to reduce waiting times...either by hiring more when they have more seasonals backlogs...or even reconsidering the whole system...are we successfull in our goals...can we place different detering rules instead...we have already signed an agreement (I think it is enough...make the punishment harsh but do not DO NOT hurt innocents...there are always ways (I am not even going to give examples of other countries)

-I am sure many of you (sponsors) feel how can we convince our spouses to live in Canada after all these hardships

-I am not talking specifics about the guy who ignited these discussions. I do not know him I have never stood with or against him. I feel bad for two great members like cgagnon and deficient (each had the opposite opinion) to have even made efforts or argued...We are all in the same boat....


I can go forever...

 

[Pummelchen]

Interesting to see this level of hate here. Anyway, the legal situation regarding rent in AB is like that: If you rent a simple room to live in you normally sign this yellow rent contract and inspection report.

However that contract is invalid if the room has no kitchen and no separate entrance. So you are not a tenant, you are considered a "Guest" under what people here call "law". As such the police can remove everyone at anytime on request of the landlord, as you are just a Guest. Its a great way to make cash quick for the Landlord. He kept the deposit and rent and can repeat this game over and over again with the next stupid who is not aware of this "law". And the police fully supports these landlord criminals. This type of abuse is fully legal in this "democratic" country which all you guys are so proud of and in this case even a signed contract is worth nothing.

 

[JEFFandJANET]

Since I do not have your eluqence. I'll say things in points:
-Place yourself in someone else's shoes. What if I told you? You should be very grateful that I have allowed your wife to come to Canada. You should be very grateful that after few years she (from that country or race or ..) can enter my beautiful country.....
-You say CIC processing time is a must to save us. No it is NOT. There is a whole descipline called industrial engineering which I have not seen applied anywhere from simple traffic to government systems. The system has to be optimized. I do not want to side track but unfortunately I am not happy about the current government at all.
a side note I was a big supporter of Obama during last election I have not seen his skin color but I do not really like when people claim more rights because of history or they were treated bad in the past.
-I see there are simple solutions and looking at the system from different angles and continuously improving it. Also continuously adjusting the objectives to meet final goals
I'll explain this quickly, the system is put in place to prevent abuser...ok but now it is hurting innocent people like you and me (Do not please say NO because your case took few months, or say mine was straightforward...that is very selfish...many others have straight forward cases but can not even get an AOR which was simply the reason for this thread
Now what option for CIC... they have to reconsider how to reduce waiting times...either by hiring more when they have more seasonals backlogs...or even reconsidering the whole system...are we successfull in our goals...can we place different detering rules instead...we have already signed an agreement (I think it is enough...make the punishment harsh but do not DO NOT hurt innocents...there are always ways (I am not even going to give examples of other countries)

-I am sure many of you sponsor feel how can we convince our spouses to live in Canada after these hardships

-I am not talking specifics about the guy who ignited these discussions. I do not know him I have never stood with or against him. I feel bad for two great members like cgagnon and deficient (each had the opposite opinion) to have argued...We are all in the same boat....
I can go forever...

It doesn't matter where I go, another country, another state, someones house etc, It is up to them to decide if I am welcome or not. I do my best to make myself (and my wife) welcome. I fully understand wherever I go, I must abide by their expectations of me, their requirements of me. to enter their jurisdiction. If I go to a neighbor, I can't assume they should let me in. I feel no entitlement to enter. I must ask for their permission to enter (verbal or non-verbal) before entry. It is up to them and their generosity and kindness to allow me to enter or to deny me. Yes, I will be GRATEFUL when the day comes that my wife will be allowed to come to Canada. My wife will be grateful as well as I have waited longer than most here have. I am coming up on 3 years waiting. So please know I sympathize and understand all those who are waiting, and who have done nothing wrong. It is not about innocence or guilt. How I wish we could go back to simpler times and simpler processes. As we know the world has changed, not for the better, in many respects. Like so many other situations in life, we have become letigious (countries have to abide by endless legal processes to protect themselves and citizens). There is an ever growing list of people worldwide who are fraudsters, criminals, scammers, or just plain want to take advantage of the innocent for as much as they can get from them. For these reasons, Canada MUST protect itself and its citizens from these groups of people. Its sad to say, but they have ruined it for the rest of us who genuinely want nothing more than to live a life with our spouses etc. I agree with you there are many flaws in government, how they do things. There are many many things I would do differently if I was the government, I am not, and that is a topic I could go on forever about. Perhaps you should consider politics to better the system.

I have seen you suggest allowing all spouses in then penalizing after the fact for abusers, fraudsters etc. I have thought of this many times also, would it be better? perhaps. It certainly would unite us with our spouses quickly. Is it policeable? government says no its not. They say the cost of law enforcement used to locate and process expulsions is far costlier and takes years. It takes them sometimes up to 10 years to finally deport someone who for instance was a known drug dealer. But with all the appeals and processes took almost a decade, and who knows how many millions of dollars in court costs labor etc. Now imagine this happening for tens of thousands of people who are just trying to get their foot on Canadian soil before they disappear. They simply can't track everyone (nor would we appreciate this further infringement on our privacies. Imagine the beauracracy they would set up for that one. I shudder to think about it. So as much as it might seem easier, it probably isn't, sad to say.

 

[uskyoot]

I find this whole discussion mind boggling....... I am a Canadian citizen who has lived in Ontario and New Brunswick. I am now married to a US citizen and living in Tennessee and I have a green card so I have been through the US immigration process. Although our application in the US went fairly smoothly I have heard from many who's process was a nightmare. Every country has its good and bad points . My husband made his first trip to Canada in Dec 2011 and loved it. We will be waiting until I get my US citizenship and will then be retiring to Canada. I am getting citizenship in case of unforseen circumstance.
Although I have travelled throughout the US I gained a whole different perspective living here. You never know what a place is really like until you live there.......but the important thing is how we deal with issues as a family. We all have difficulties in life whether we are from the same or different countries and it is all about how we handle those difficulties. We can blame others or take responsibility and do our best within our circumstances. I am living in state where there are towns that my husband and I cannot live (even unwise to visit) because he is black and I am white. This is something I never knew still existed when I lived in Canada. I focus on the positive and the wonderful people that I have met here.

We will be starting our immigration process soon and I appreciate all the info that I have received on this site. I understand the frustration for those who are waiting to be with their families and wish them the best. Stay positve. It could be worse.......you could be dealing with Homeland Security......Thanks for listening to my 2cents

 

[JEFFandJANET]

Interesting to see this level of hate here. Anyway, the legal situation regarding rent in AB is like that: If you rent a simple room to live in you normally sign this yellow rent contract and inspection report.

However that contract is invalid if the room has no kitchen and no separate entrance. So you are not a tenant, you are considered a "Guest" under what people here call "law". As such the police can remove everyone at anytime on request of the landlord, as you are just a Guest. Its a great way to make cash quick for the Landlord. He kept the deposit and rent and can repeat this game over and over again with the next stupid who is not aware of this "law". And the police fully supports these landlord criminals. This type of abuse is fully legal in this "democratic" country which all you guys are so proud of and in this case even a signed contract is worth nothing.

As I suggested, that is an ILLEGAL suite. As such you are not protected. Well you can try taking the landowner to small claims court, eventually win, but then fight to collect. Which I'm sorry to say, becomes and endless cycle of winning in court and trying to collect it. These landlords eventually get shut down, and I don't know the process for it, but it takes time and people complaining to the right people.

 

[Dr Eng X]

It doesn't matter where I go, another country, another state, someones house etc, It is up to them to decide if I am welcome or not. I do my best to make myself (and my wife) welcome. I fully understand wherever I go, I must abide by their expectations of me, their requirements of me. to enter their jurisdiction. If I go to a neighbor, I can't assume they should let me in. I feel no entitlement to enter. I must ask for their permission to enter (verbal or non-verbal) before entry. It is up to them and their generosity and kindness to allow me to enter or to deny me. Yes, I will be GRATEFUL when the day comes that my wife will be allowed to come to Canada. My wife will be grateful as well as I have waited longer than most here have. I am coming up on 3 years waiting. So please know I sympathize and understand all those who are waiting, and who have done nothing wrong. It is not about innocence or guilt. How I wish we could go back to simpler times and simpler processes. As we know the world has changed, not for the better, in many respects. Like so many other situations in life, we have become letigious (countries have to abide by endless legal processes to protect themselves and citizens). There is an ever growing list of people worldwide who are fraudsters, criminals, scammers, or just plain want to take advantage of the innocent for as much as they can get from them. For these reasons, Canada MUST protect itself and its citizens from these groups of people. Its sad to say, but they have ruined it for the rest of us who genuinely want nothing more than to live a life with our spouses etc. I agree with you there are many flaws in government, how they do things. There are many many things I would do differently if I was the government, I am not, and that is a topic I could go on forever about. Perhaps you should consider politics to better the system.

Interesting, I can get a Visa to my wife and spend my honey moon anywhere but I can not do this for my own home country!!
Another thing I am not inviting my spouse to someone else's home or a neighbor I am inviting her to my homeland.
When addressing your talk, you have to differentiate between sponsor and applicant...many many details....also family applicants and other cat.


There are a lot of things or elements in loving a country...a country means people, government, systems, land,....

if you have listened to election debates you will know why I think this government is not efficient...They serve the US interest more than us for *** sake


I do NOT like to talk about specifics but repeating 4years then 3 years while your timeline:
Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: Manila
App. Filed.......: 10-12-2011
Doc's Request.: 24-02-2012
File Transfer...: 21-02-2012
Med's Done....: 28-11-2011
Passport Req..: 24-02-2012 sent 16-03-2012

Then when started this thread for the simple facts stated you went against it!! Why!!

 

[cgagnon]

It doesn't matter where I go, another country, another state, someones house etc, It is up to them to decide if I am welcome or not. I do my best to make myself (and my wife) welcome. I fully understand wherever I go, I must abide by their expectations of me, their requirements of me. to enter their jurisdiction. If I go to a neighbor, I can't assume they should let me in. I feel no entitlement to enter. I must ask for their permission to enter (verbal or non-verbal) before entry. It is up to them and their generosity and kindness to allow me to enter or to deny me. Yes, I will be GRATEFUL when the day comes that my wife will be allowed to come to Canada. My wife will be grateful as well as I have waited longer than most here have. I am coming up on 3 years waiting. So please know I sympathize and understand all those who are waiting, and who have done nothing wrong. It is not about innocence or guilt. How I wish we could go back to simpler times and simpler processes. As we know the world has changed, not for the better, in many respects. Like so many other situations in life, we have become letigious (countries have to abide by endless legal processes to protect themselves and citizens). There is an ever growing list of people worldwide who are fraudsters, criminals, scammers, or just plain want to take advantage of the innocent for as much as they can get from them. For these reasons, Canada MUST protect itself and its citizens from these groups of people. Its sad to say, but they have ruined it for the rest of us who genuinely want nothing more than to live a life with our spouses etc. I agree with you there are many flaws in government, how they do things. There are many many things I would do differently if I was the government, I am not, and that is a topic I could go on forever about. Perhaps you should consider politics to better the system.

I have seen you suggest allowing all spouses in then penalizing after the fact for abusers, fraudsters etc. I have thought of this many times also, would it be better? perhaps. It certainly would unite us with our spouses quickly. Is it policeable? government says no its not. They say the cost of law enforcement used to locate and process expulsions is far costlier and takes years. It takes them sometimes up to 10 years to finally deport someone who for instance was a known drug dealer. But with all the appeals and processes took almost a decade, and who knows how many millions of dollars in court costs labor etc. Now imagine this happening for tens of thousands of people who are just trying to get their foot on Canadian soil before they disappear. They simply can't track everyone (nor would we appreciate this further infringement on our privacies. Imagine the beauracracy they would set up for that one. I shudder to think about it. So as much as it might seem easier, it probably isn't, sad to say.

Wow, thank you! I could never express it in words like you do!

 

[JEFFandJANET]

Interesting, I can get a Visa to my wife and spend my honey moon anywhere but I can not do this for my own home country!!
Another thing I am not inviting my spouse to someone else's home or a neighbor I am inviting her to my homeland.
There are a lot of things or elements in loving a country...a country means people, government, systems, land,....
You also have to differentiate between sponsor and applicant...many many details....
if you have listened to election debates you will know why I think this government is not efficient...They serve the US interest more than us for *** sake


I do NOT like to talk about specifics but repeating 4years then 3 years while your timeline:
Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: Manila
App. Filed.......: 10-12-2011
Doc's Request.: 24-02-2012
File Transfer...: 21-02-2012
Med's Done....: 28-11-2011
Passport Req..: 24-02-2012 sent 16-03-2012

Then when started this thread for the simple facts stated you went against it!! Why!!

Not sure which government you think WAS efficient. Not in the nature of government to be as efficient as the private sector, it rarely happens. It doesn't matter which party is in power. I used "visiting a neighbor" as an example. Wherever you go, you are at their discretion to be allowed entrance, and on their terms. Yes it is your homeland, but not ONLY yours. Therefore everyone else has a say, yes or no. Fact is millions want to come to Canada, period. And because we are only 30 plus million population. We have to have tighter controls on who gets in and who doesn't. My timeline is correct. We married 05/20/09 and had everything ready to file mid July/09. We had to start all over from scratch Dec/11 due to a fraudulent lawyer's assistant. We have now obtained 3 medical reports. 4 NBI's 4 police clearances etc etc etc. By the grace of God I think we are finally on the right track, but I take nothing for granted. We have had a frustrating process beyond believe but we are prepared for whatever hurdle may yet to come. Our relationship is solid and we can survive anything together.

I am not against the thread. I'm only trying to provide a little perspective. If you care to disagree, wonderful, free country free speech and all that. Is it wrong for me to try to give some insight? Many who are from outside the country have very little knowledge about the process, and appreciate a little understanding of the system and what is involved behind the scenes. I had hoped to give them some of that. Sorry to offend you and others. I should not have tried to help on this thread.

 

[canuck0469]

JnJ. your perpesctive is quite accurate, as there has been much discussion on living in CA I won't bring it up again but thought to rationalize the lack of communication from CIC. I certainly believe that more feedback from them would be greatly appreciated by all. As has been mentioned there are hundreds of thousands of app a year and there is likely many more waiting in the wings. We have maybe 10,000 people on the forum who understand what is required, and judging from these forums maybe 10-15% use reputable consultant or lawyers. That would leave 75,000 or more apps to be reviewed that were completed by individuals who were totally unfamiliar with the process. What a daunting task this would be, I can imagine how many of us would handle it. We need only to go on canlii to see only a couple of them.

 

[Dr Eng X]

Not sure which government you think WAS efficient. Not in the nature of government to be as efficient as the private sector, it rarely happens. It doesn't matter which party is in power. I used "visiting a neighbor" as an example. Wherever you go, you are at their discretion to be allowed entrance, and on their terms. Yes it is your homeland, but not ONLY yours. Therefore everyone else has a say, yes or no. Fact is millions want to come to Canada, period. And because we are only 30 plus million population. We have to have tighter controls on who gets in and who doesn't. My timeline is correct. We married 05/20/09 and had everything ready to file mid July/09. We had to start all over from scratch Dec/11 due to a fraudulent lawyer's assistant. We have now obtained 3 medical reports. 4 NBI's 4 police clearances etc etc etc. By the grace of God I think we are finally on the right track, but I take nothing for granted. We have had a frustrating process beyond believe but we are prepared for whatever hurdle may yet to come. Our relationship is solid and we can survive anything together.

I am not against the thread. I'm only trying to provide a little perspective. If you care to disagree, wonderful, free country free speech and all that. Is it wrong for me to try to give some insight? Many who are from outside the country have very little knowledge about the process, and appreciate a little understanding of the system and what is involved behind the scenes. I had hoped to give them some of that. Sorry to offend you and others. I should not have tried to help on this thread.

Those 3 or 4 years CIC is not responsible for them!
It is endless pointless discussion. I am sorry I got sucked into it.

I say: We need a change... the system needs improvements, we need CIC to be responsible, honest, transparent,...
You say: My insights!
I say: we are off topic we are not talking about individual cases, we need things to get better

You say: we have been (suffered) through it
I say: No and evenif you have been (suffered) through it that does not mean others have to endure the same


You say: I love my country....
I say: Then you'd love for its system to work...
You say: I love my spouse...
I say: If you love your spouse or family ... you would love to reunit with them soon ... you would love for them to see the beautiful things in Canada...


You say: It is very good, I'm grateful and my spouse is... None of my business but your spouse is supposedly your partner and we do NOT do them favors by asking them to live with us



You say: I'm only trying to provide a little perspective. If you care to disagree, wonderful, free country free speech and all that. Is it wrong for me to try to give some insight? Many who are from outside the country have very little knowledge about the process, and appreciate a little understanding of the system and what is involved behind the scenes. I had hoped to give them some of that. Sorry to offend you and others. I should not have tried to help on this thread.

I say: Thanks for your insights but these are not adding anything or providing solutions...the thread was meant for that not for explaining the system.You really remind me of those politicians who are very eloquent yet they add nothing or propose nothing....

 

[Dr Eng X]

I find this whole discussion mind boggling....... I am a Canadian citizen who has lived in Ontario and New Brunswick. I am now married to a US citizen and living in Tennessee and I have a green card so I have been through the US immigration process. Although our application in the US went fairly smoothly I have heard from many who's process was a nightmare. Every country has its good and bad points . My husband made his first trip to Canada in Dec 2011 and loved it. We will be waiting until I get my US citizenship and will then be retiring to Canada. I am getting citizenship in case of unforseen circumstance.
Although I have travelled throughout the US I gained a whole different perspective living here. You never know what a place is really like until you live there.......but the important thing is how we deal with issues as a family. We all have difficulties in life whether we are from the same or different countries and it is all about how we handle those difficulties. We can blame others or take responsibility and do our best within our circumstances. I am living in state where there are towns that my husband and I cannot live (even unwise to visit) because he is black and I am white. This is something I never knew still existed when I lived in Canada. I focus on the positive and the wonderful people that I have met here.

We will be starting our immigration process soon and I appreciate all the info that I have received on this site. I understand the frustration for those who are waiting to be with their families and wish them the best. Stay positve. It could be worse.......you could be dealing with Homeland Security......Thanks for listening to my 2cents

I have lived in US and loved it. At least you can see changes and politicians serve their people. I lived during many election times and you can see and feel change during and after elections.

 

[cgagnon]

three months since mississauga received my application! 3 months of waiting, suffering and torture! you pay $ 1040 for a lousy service! for no service. I sent two faxes to mississauga, faxed and emailed the minsitre; a fax to the official opposition, two phone to my MP, spoke to the call center n times; a complaint to a supervisor. Results: nyet!
the file was received January 11, AOR super fast: January 31 and ... forget it! It's like if we were in a dictatorship. all to whom I spoke haven't a real access to my file. those who make the rain and sunshine are in Mississauga and they do not care about your faxes or emails of call-center.
I've lost the feeling of being respected as a citizen of this country;
Is there an ombudsman at CIC? is there any recourse?
These officials have made me sick, they deserve no respect!

En tout cas je sais que ça va finir un jour; mais pour ceux et celle qui disent que ça vaut pas la peine de crier pour se faire entendre, sachez qu'on ne cognera jamais à votre porte pour venri vous donner vos droits. le gouvernement, les responsables sont les premiers à donner l'exemple, à respecter leurs engagements et à respecter les citoyens; nous somme nous qui payons leurs salaires; plus de 1/3 des mon salaire est retenu en impôt! je paye 15% de taxes plus d'autres frais divers. Alors SVP un peu de respect pour nous!

Je pense la même affaire...nous payons leur salaire et qu'est-ce qui est encore plus frustrant c'est que nous avons une étape d'extra habitant au québec ( il faut toujours être différent du reste du pays!) En 2 ans nous avons monter de 2% en taxe et toujours aucun changement...est-ce que tu as essayé de communiquer avec ton représentant gouvernemental? Il semble que dans certain cas ceci à fonctionner...Une chose est sur les émotions que nous vivons en ce moment concernant tout ce processus sont sérieuses et affectent notre santé régulièrement je te souhaite que cette semaine ce soit ton tour!!

 

[Fencesitter]

Translation??

 

[cgagnon]

Translation??

I was responding to what she had said in french... Translation: I think the same way, we pay their salary and what is even more frustrating is that we have an extra step as we reside in quebec (we always have to be different than the rest of the country) In 2 years the taxes have increased by 2% without any changes, did you try to contact your MP? It seems to have worked in certain cases. One thing is for sure the emotions we are currently going through with this whole process are serious and affect our health regularly, I hope that your turn will come this week!

 

[Dr Eng X]

I was responding to what she had said in french... Translation: I think the same way, we pay their salary and what is even more frustrating is that we have an extra step as we reside in quebec (we always have to be different than the rest of the country) In 2 years the taxes have increased by 2% without any changes, did you try to contact your MP? It seems to have worked in certain cases. One thing is for sure the emotions we are currently going through with this whole process are serious and affect our health regularly, I hope that your turn will come this week!

But that is why this thread? that is why sticking together is not only by supportive words?
We can easily get distracted by eloquent nice words Do not we?