NOC 0111 / 1111/1112/1114 ( May 2014 ) ( Joine here )

[future_canadian]

Due to the large number of applications we get, we can only consider a limited number of applications per year. As of May 1, 2014, there is an overall cap of 25,500 for new federal skilled worker applications. This includes a cap of 500 applications from PhD students. There are also sub-caps of 1,000 for each of the 50 eligible occupations. The caps do not affect people with a valid job offer.


hmmmmm
so 50 eligible occupations multiply by 500 to give 25000 and 500 for phd gives total of 25500... whats this sub-caps of 1000 for each of the 50 eligible occupations?

Regards
T

There is a cap of 1000 applications from any individual NOC. There is also an overall cap of 25000 for this year. That means if 1000 applications are received in an NOC, that NOC is full and further applications are rejected. It also means if 25000 overall applications have been received, any new application even in an NOC that is has not received any applications, would be rejected due to the filling of the cap.

 

[killer_AB]

Another Update from CIC --->> 516 of 25,000

Only 11 applications processed in a week!!

 

[Pipis Husband]

Another Update from CIC --->> 516 of 25,000

Only 11 applications processed in a week!!

Don't forget backlog applications of 2011 and 2013. They are also being processed simultaneously and are being given priority over 2014. Relax, your turn will come

 

[killer_AB]

Don't forget backlog applications of 2011 and 2013. They are also being processed simultaneously and are being given priority over 2014. Relax, your turn will come

I was just a little worried earlier because my DD has a 3 month validity but then some of the senior members said that it is not an issue. International DDs are valid for 6 months even though it says 'valid for 3 months.'

 

[Pipis Husband]

I was just a little worried earlier because my DD has a 3 month validity but then some of the senior members said that it is not an issue. International DDs are valid for 6 months even though it says 'valid for 3 months.'

Sir, all international DDS are valid for 6 months. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. relax

 

[killer_AB]

Sir, all international DDS are valid for 6 months. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. relax

Got it, thanks buddy

 

[scorpio939]

I think '1114 Other financial officers' is a complicated NOC to apply. The reason is, this NOC has 43 (fourty three) Example Titles, but they have provided summary of main duties for only 06 (six) occupations (Financial planners, Financial examiners, Financial investigators, Financial underwriters, Trust officers & lastly Mortgage brokers).

So, the rest ppl who match with 37 occupations have hard time finding related job descriptions & making sure if their job description matches with CIC described ones.

For example, I work as a 'relationship manager' in a commercial bank.
So, i found out from some job profiles in employment related Canadian sites that, my job description matches with that of "account manager" mentioned in the Example Titles.

But as the HRSDC page on 1114 (http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=1&val1=1114) has not provided any job description for "account manager", I'm kinda confused. I guess many other people who want to apply under 1114 are having the same dilemma.

To qualify for FSWP, AFAIK, I need to prove that, at least 70-80% of my job description matches with the NOC described occupations job description. But, I don't find any way to be sure about the match. Coz, I don't have anything from CIC to match with !

Can any one suggest any good way to find out what Job Descriptio CIC has in mind about all the Example Titles mentioned in HRSDC page on NOC 1114? (http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=1&val1=1114)

 

[Amit1242]

Hi,

Can anyone suggest me regarding my situation below?
I have experience of 6 years+, amongwhich approx 5 years in Finance Dept. My history goes like this----
i) Job 1:
Position Name- Executive-Finance & Settlement
Duration- 21 months
Major Role- Credit analysis, Ageing report, Billing & Invoicing, Reconciliation & Settlement etc.
Approximate NOC: 1212

ii) Job2:
Position Name- Depty Manager- Finance
Duration- 39 months
Major Role- Financial Management, Financial Modeling & forecasting, Project financing, treasury management, A/R management etc etc
Approximate NOC: 70% 1112 (Financial Analyst), 30% 0111 (Finance Manager)

iii) Job3:
Position Name- Manager- Project Management
Duration- 10 months (running)
Major Role- Business Development, Project Management, Project Costing, Rate fixation, Financial Modeling etc.
Approximate NOC: 40% 1112, but I work under the dept of Business Development of MD's Office

Now, my confusion is which NOC I should target? Surely 1112 be my favorite and thats what I am specialized in. But my Lawyer (Yes, I am one of the illiterate one) is suggesting to apply as 0111 (Finance Manager) since 1112 is one of the Hot NOCs. But I have experience in 3 NOCs 1112, 0111 and 1212. Will this confuse CIC?

Expert opinion please....

 

[future_canadian]

I think '1114 Other financial officers' is a complicated NOC to apply. The reason is, this NOC has 43 (fourty three) Example Titles, but they have provided summary of main duties for only 06 (six) occupations (Financial planners, Financial examiners, Financial investigators, Financial underwriters, Trust officers & lastly Mortgage brokers).

So, the rest ppl who match with 37 occupations have hard time finding related job descriptions & making sure if their job description matches with CIC described ones.

For example, I work as a 'relationship manager' in a commercial bank.
So, i found out from some job profiles in employment related Canadian sites that, my job description matches with that of "account manager" mentioned in the Example Titles.

But as the HRSDC page on 1114 (http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=1&val1=1114) has not provided any job description for "account manager", I'm kinda confused. I guess many other people who want to apply under 1114 are having the same dilemma.

To qualify for FSWP, AFAIK, I need to prove that, at least 70-80% of my job description matches with the NOC described occupations job description. But, I don't find any way to be sure about the match. Coz, I don't have anything from CIC to match with !

Can any one suggest any good way to find out what Job Descriptio CIC has in mind about all the Example Titles mentioned in HRSDC page on NOC 1114? (http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=1&val1=1114)

Yes it seems like they dumped "everything else" into 1114 and that would be a hard one to apply for.

There is some department you can contact with your duties that will suggest a NOC for you. I forget exactly how to contact them, but their e-mail is somewhere in the main applicants thread.

 

[scorpio939]

Yes it seems like they dumped "everything else" into 1114 and that would be a hard one to apply for.

There is some department you can contact with your duties that will suggest a NOC for you. I forget exactly how to contact them, but their e-mail is somewhere in the main applicants thread.

Yes, I mailed 'Human Resources and Skills Development Canada (HRSDC)' (http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/noc/english/noc/2011/SendUsEmail.aspx) with my present job description, type of institution I work for, and education requirements for my job. Here's the main part of their reply:

Based on the information that you have provided, the following National Occupational Classification (NOC) code may be appropriate for the occupation that you described. Please verify the link below to ensure that the education, main duties and employment requirements correspond to your occupation. You are in a better position to determine whether or not this NOC code reflects your job.

NOC Code: 1114 Other financial officers (account manager)
http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=1&val1=1114

The National Occupational Classification (NOC) codes are determined by the Skill Type and Skill Level. The Skill Type represents the type of work performed as well as the general industry of employment, in order to easily indicate the segment of the world of work. The Skill Level represents the education required to perform the work. However, the NOC does recognize the fact that most jobs require multitasking or performing more than one duty. As a result there is a 51% rule that can be used as a guideline. Simply put, 51% of the job functions must be contained in the main duties of the selected NOC description.

The final decision for selecting the most appropriate National Occupational Classification (NOC) code is each individual's responsibility as you know your education, skills and abilities better than anyone else. However, the ultimate decision remains the responsibility of Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) as they are the only ones who have the authority to determine if the information provided meets their criteria.

So,my dilemma is still unresolved...! :

Wish I could find a detailed list of Main duties, as like other NOC's, provided by HRSDC or any other authority. That would allow me to make sure my job reference letter & others cover a majority of main duties & increase my eligibility for getting PR.

 

[Pipis Husband]

Yes, I mailed 'Human Resources and Skills Development Canada (HRSDC)' (http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/noc/english/noc/2011/SendUsEmail.aspx) with my present job description, type of institution I work for, and education requirements for my job. Here's the main part of their reply:

So,my dilemma is still unresolved...! :

Wish I could find a detailed list of Main duties, as like other NOC's, provided by HRSDC or any other authority. That would allow me to make sure my job reference letter & others cover a majority of main duties & increase my eligibility for getting PR.

Hi, I think you are going about this the wrong way. All the clerical officers at CIO want to see is a reference letter from you matching the duties stated on the NOC list for your intended NOC. They are not subject matter expert or professional headhunters. I know you have a long list of what you are already do but for this purpose, it doesn't matter and if you use what you prepared, you may get rejected.
Just get a reference letter with duties that match what is stated on the NOC list and add maybe 3 or 4 more of your major duties and you're set.
All this time you are spending nitpicking will only delay the submission of your application. Time is ticking...

 

[scorpio939]

Hi, I think you are going about this the wrong way. All the clerical officers at CIO want to see is a reference letter from you matching the duties stated on the NOC list for your intended NOC. They are not subject matter expert or professional headhunters. I know you have a long list of what you are already do but for this purpose, it doesn't matter and if you use what you prepared, you may get rejected.
Just get a reference letter with duties that match what is stated on the NOC list and add maybe 3 or 4 more of your major duties and you're set.
All this time you are spending nitpicking will only delay the submission of your application. Time is ticking...

Dear Pipis Husband,
Thanks for your advice. I strongly agree with you that, "All the clerical officers at CIO want to see is a reference letter from you matching the duties stated on the NOC list for your intended NOC. They are not subject matter expert or professional headhunters". And I do agree that, I need to submit "a reference letter with duties that match what is stated on the NOC list."

But, unfortunately in the HRSDC page on NOC 1114 (http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=1&val1=1114), they have provided summary of main duties for only 06 (six) occupations (Financial planners, Financial examiners, Financial investigators, Financial underwriters, Trust officers & lastly Mortgage brokers), not for my intended occupation "account manager", which is only mentioned in 'Example Titles'. That is, nothing is stated in NOC list for my intended occupation.

So, please suggest me on what to do.
Should I put the main duties of 'Financial planners, Financial examiners, Financial investigators, Financial underwriters, Trust officers & lastly Mortgage brokers' in my reference letter of 'account manager'?

I'm afraid that will not be a good thing to do. What do u think ?
That's why I am trying to find detailed list of Main duties, as like other NOC's, provided by HRSDC or any other authority, for the title "account manager".

I'm waiting for your suggestions.

Thanks again for your help.

 

[Pipis Husband]

Dear Pipis Husband,
Thanks for your advice. I strongly agree with you that, "All the clerical officers at CIO want to see is a reference letter from you matching the duties stated on the NOC list for your intended NOC. They are not subject matter expert or professional headhunters". And I do agree that, I need to submit "a reference letter with duties that match what is stated on the NOC list."

But, unfortunately in the HRSDC page on NOC 1114 (http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=1&val1=1114), they have provided summary of main duties for only 06 (six) occupations (Financial planners, Financial examiners, Financial investigators, Financial underwriters, Trust officers & lastly Mortgage brokers), not for my intended occupation "account manager", which is only mentioned in 'Example Titles'. That is, nothing is stated in NOC list for my intended occupation.

So, please suggest me on what to do.
Should I put the main duties of 'Financial planners, Financial examiners, Financial investigators, Financial underwriters, Trust officers & lastly Mortgage brokers' in my reference letter of 'account manager'?

I'm afraid that will not be a good thing to do. What do u think ?
That's why I am trying to find detailed list of Main duties, as like other NOC's, provided by HRSDC or any other authority, for the title "account manager".

I'm waiting for your suggestions.

Thanks again for your help.

Hi, you can only apply through one of the 50 eligible NOCs for FSW. From what you say, the best NOC for you is 1114. So 'trying to find detailed list of Main duties, as like other NOC's, provided by HRSDC or any other authority, for the title "account manager" won't help your cause as anything else you find will be outside the list of eligible NOCs. So don't waste your time in a fruitless search, apply as an Account manager, using the stated duties that are available for NOC 1114 on the NOC list. Add the major duties you perform as account officer to these in your reference letter. The alternative is not to apply, what do you have to lose if you do apply?
All the best with your choice

 

[future_canadian]

Dear Pipis Husband,
Thanks for your advice. I strongly agree with you that, "All the clerical officers at CIO want to see is a reference letter from you matching the duties stated on the NOC list for your intended NOC. They are not subject matter expert or professional headhunters". And I do agree that, I need to submit "a reference letter with duties that match what is stated on the NOC list."

But, unfortunately in the HRSDC page on NOC 1114 (http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=1&val1=1114), they have provided summary of main duties for only 06 (six) occupations (Financial planners, Financial examiners, Financial investigators, Financial underwriters, Trust officers & lastly Mortgage brokers), not for my intended occupation "account manager", which is only mentioned in 'Example Titles'. That is, nothing is stated in NOC list for my intended occupation.

So, please suggest me on what to do.
Should I put the main duties of 'Financial planners, Financial examiners, Financial investigators, Financial underwriters, Trust officers & lastly Mortgage brokers' in my reference letter of 'account manager'?

I'm afraid that will not be a good thing to do. What do u think ?
That's why I am trying to find detailed list of Main duties, as like other NOC's, provided by HRSDC or any other authority, for the title "account manager".

I'm waiting for your suggestions.

Thanks again for your help.

You could always ask a lawyer for advice.

Don't bother with a "consultant" though, they're terrible.

It's a strange situation and I can't think of a way. If there are no job duties listed how can you make sure they match? Excellent question, I don't know the answer.

 

[scorpio939]

You could always ask a lawyer for advice.

Don't bother with a "consultant" though, they're terrible.

It's a strange situation and I can't think of a way. If there are no job duties listed how can you make sure they match? Excellent question, I don't know the answer.

Thanks future_canadian & Pipis Husband.

I'm thinking about another way out. I've compiled a list of main duties of 'account managers' in financial institutions, from www.jobbank.gc.ca & other sites & found a good match with my duties. I've also asked HRSDC via email to advice me whether they match with NOC 1114. Their response was affirmative, but not strong.

"Based on the information that you have provided, the following National Occupational Classification (NOC) code may be appropriate for the occupation that you described. ......

The final decision for selecting the most appropriate National Occupational Classification (NOC) code is each individual's responsibility as you know your education, skills and abilities better than anyone else. However, the ultimate decision remains the responsibility of Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) as they are the only ones who have the authority to determine if the information provided meets their criteria."

Do you think CIC would accept, if my main duties in reference letter does not exactly match with main duties listed in NOC page, but match with industry standard duties ?