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Moving back to Canada - Advice regarding British husband

katezinha82

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Hi,

My husband (British) and I (Canadian currently living in the UK), are planning to move back to Canada (Quebec) at the end of this year (03rd December).

We have decided to start all the paperwork once we are in Canada, which means he will be on a tourist Visa. How does this work? The tourist visa lasts 6 months but the application takes longer than this... Do we get an extension?

I also wondered whether I should apply for the Sponsorship before we move? I assume it will add some weight for when we pass through customs on our arrival in Canada? I am a bit confused about how to proceed with it all.

Is there anybody else on here who did this? We're quite nervous about it all and it would be nice to hear about other people's experiences regarding applying for PR preferably outland but from within Canada (Quebec).

Thanks in advance!

Kate
 

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Welcome - you're definitely not alone... there is a whole thread for people going through the UK and probably half of them are in Canada. So definitely feasible, and a common thing too.

I would advise to apply now. it can take somewhere from 6 ( really fast) to 9 or 12 months to get the whole process done, so the earlier you start, the better. Prepare the application, send it in, and when you want to go to Canada - go. Your husband can come in at the border on a tourist visa and wait for his PR to come through. He won't have to send his passport to London, they will issue the COPR ( confirmation of PR) and send it to the address in Canada ( you can put your mailing address in the UK now, and later on change it to Canada). He will have to flagpole - go to the nearest US border, exit and come back in to "land as a PR".

If you apply now, it will shorten the time that your husband has to be in Canada without working ( and health care potentially) so you might as well start now. Putting together the application is a bit overwhelming and daunting, but it gets better, and you can always find somebody here that can answer because they've been through the same process.

Good luck ( and welcome to the game!),
Sweden
 

katezinha82

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Thank you so much for the quick reply! It's always a relief to be able to speak to people who have gone through the same thing!

My main goal, before we move, is to apply for sponsorship. We only have 3 months until we move and I think it is reasonable. I also want to book my husband's medical appointment in Montreal for within a few days after we move, so that we can start his PR application right away once we get there.

One question I have is whether we can pay for his application before we actually apply? I though it would add some weight for when we land in Canada on the 03rd December.

Also, I am a bit confused regarding the sponsorship process, as described here:

Part 1: Sponsorship forms

Guide to Sponsorship [IMM 3900]

Document Checklist [IMM 5491] (PDF, 159 KB) January
Application to Sponsor, Sponsorship Agreement and Undertaking [IMM 1344] (PDF, 417 KB) August 2013
Sponsorship Evaluation [IMM 5481] (PDF, 110 KB) April 2012
Statutory Declaration of Common-Law Union [IMM 5409] (PDF, 97 KB) April 2009
Sponsor Questionnaire [IMM 5540] (PDF, 160 KB) April 2008
Use of a Representative [IMM 5476] (PDF, 55 KB) April 2013
Part 2: Immigration forms

Sponsorship of a spouse, common-law partner, conjugal partner or dependent child living outside Canada [IMM 3999]

Forms

Generic Application Form for Canada [IMM 0008] (PDF, 366 KB) July 2013
Additional Dependants/Declaration [IMM 0008DEP] (PDF, 472 KB) July 2011
Schedule A – Background/Declaration [IMM 5669] (PDF, 170 KB) December 2012
Additional Family Information [IMM 5406] (PDF, 88 KB) April 2008
Sponsored Spouse/Partner Questionnaire [IMM 5490] (PDF, 142 KB) April 2008
Use of a Representative [IMM 5476] (PDF, 55 KB) April 2013


As I am applying whilst we are still in the UK, do I still need to fill the forms listed in PART 2 (Sponsorship of a spouse, common-law partner, conjugal partner or dependent child living outside Canada)? I mean, we will start his PR paperwork once in Canada, so I am a bit confused!

I find it all very overwhelming, so trying to take it one step at a time! hehe
The reason we are doing it this way is that I want to go back home as soon as possible, due to my father being unwell.

Thanks so much for your help!
 

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You can do the medicals anywhere in the world as long as it's with a physician on the CIC list, so if you wanted, you could also do it in the UK. One advice: try to do it as close as possible to the sending date, as medicals are only valid for one year. In the event that your application is not ready, then it will mean that you have "less time" before it expires. So start by the police certificate, getting familiar with the forms, and gathering the proofs. At the last minute, when everything is ready, your husband can go to get his medical done.

You can pay for the application before you apply - in fact you should! try to send an application that is as complete as possible (police checks, medicals, full fee - $1040 - etc. ) it will save you time in the long run.

I'm still not sure why you want to start his paperwork only when you're in Canada... the process is the following: you fill out the forms that belong to the sponsor, your husband fills out the applicant part. You get all the other bits and pieces (relationship proofs, police records, medicals, birth certificate, copy of passport etc.) together and then you send everything TOGETHER to Mississauga who is in charge of the outland applications. They will assess your part (sponsorship), and once you're approved, they will send the file to London. But - you need to send the full application (sponsor + applicant) to CIC otherwise the application will be returned as incomplete.

So - you can not apply for sponsorship on your own, and later on deal with the PR for your husband - it's all in one. If you have a straightforward case, it should take you about a month to get all the papers together. You can send your application to Mississauga, and sponsor approval ( stage 1) is fairly quick, about a month. So you could have that (letter of approval, or email from CIC approving you as a sponsor) as an extra proof of having applied. Then you can go to Canada in December, and your husband can wait for his PR to come through....

I suggest you read the first page of the first post called "spousal sponsorship", by Leon, on the top of the page. It will lay out the whole process for you and probably clear out a few things.

In general, it's best to apply outland for UK nationals, as Inland is taking much longer, and could only be started when both of you are in Canada.

Hope it clarifies,

good luck,
Sweden
 

katezinha82

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It does clarify a lot! Thank you so much! We didn't realize it was all part of one application.

We'll do that then. I will book him a medical appointment here in the UK once we have all the rest of the paperwork ready to be sent, so it will be as last minute as possible.

So basically, we now give our UK address and then only update the CIC of the change once in Canada, right?

I think the fact we are actually going to Quebec makes it all the more complicated, as we also need to apply there. It is where I am getting quite confused! From what I have read, we only start the Quebec application once we have received the sponsorship approval.

My husband has all the paperwork to request his police certificate so it only needs sending.

As for the copy of passports you mentioned above, I assume they need to be certified, right?

Thanks for all your help! This is the clearest it has ever been explained to us thus far! hehe
 

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katezinha82 said:
It does clarify a lot! Thank you so much! We didn't realize it was all part of one application.

We'll do that then. I will book him a medical appointment here in the UK once we have all the rest of the paperwork ready to be sent, so it will be as last minute as possible.

So basically, we now give our UK address and then only update the CIC of the change once in Canada, right?

I think the fact we are actually going to Quebec makes it all the more complicated, as we also need to apply there. It is where I am getting quite confused! From what I have read, we only start the Quebec application once we have received the sponsorship approval.

My husband has all the paperwork to request his police certificate so it only needs sending.

As for the copy of passports you mentioned above, I assume they need to be certified, right?

Thanks for all your help! This is the clearest it has ever been explained to us thus far! hehe
The way it is worded, Québec makes it *seem* complicated. It's really not that different than the ROC (rest of Canada). There's one additional step for Québec, obtaining the Certificat de Sélection du Québec (CSQ). We at first read it like you did. Québec's info makes it seem you submit the sponsorship separately. That's not the case.

It sounds like you are applying outland (i.e. submitting the application before the move). In my personal opinion, outland is the way to go for applicants from visa-exempt countries. We applied inland (I'm American), and I've felt very trapped, as inland applicants are not supposed to travel outside of Canada for the duration of the application process. The London outland process is estimated at around 11 months now, and the inland process is currently estimated at 18 months. (These are estimates ONLY, and while they can give you an idea of what to expect, CIC's handling of applications is grossly inconsistent when it comes to timelines.)

I'm not sure about the outland process, so you'll want to do some more reading. For inland applicants, we sent our entire application (sponsorship app and PR app) to CIC. CIC later acknowledged receipt (AOR) of our application and instructed us to submit the Québec undertaking for the CSQ. There's an addition fee of $266 (get used to it - Bienvenue au Québec, hahahahaha!) that is paid online when you complete the undertaking. The Ministère de Culture et des Communications (MICC - Québec's immigration dept) sent the CSQ to CIC, and they sent us two copies for our records, in case CIC didn't receive the original. (They did.) This extra step doesn't really affect timeline, and MICC responds pretty quickly.

Also, just FYI, if your husband would like some French training, there are some excellent options for immigrants in Québec. Let me know if you want the info, and I'll be happy to dig out the links.

Good luck!
 

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Oh, forgot to mentiong...

You mentioned the police certificate. The police certificate MUST be received by CIC no more than three months after they were issued, so don't order that *too* early, or it will have expired before CIC receives your application. I'm not at all sure of the timeline on receiving UK police certificates. Hopefully someone else has some experience there.
 

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As QuebecOkie very well explained, the part for Quebec is not actually that much of an issue. Works the same for outland applicants. Once you receive the stage 1 approval (about 1 month after sending your application to CIC), you will ask be asked to submit some papers to obtain the CSQ. You submit the papers, a while later you get the CSQ back, and you send it to London - it takes about 1 month usually, and by then, London hasn't started looking at your file anyway, so it won't matter.

For the addresses: yes. Fill out the forms with your current address now in the UK, and when you move to Canada, or a week before, just ask London to update your mailing address.

You should include the fact that you're going back to Canada on the 3rd of December, and give them the proofs - plane tickets etc. - as you're living outside of Canada, you have to prove your intention to return to Canada. In your case, it's easy!

About certifications: only very few documents need to be certified, and I don't think that the passport is one of them - I don't recall doing that. Make sure that you download the guideline for Western Europe, which lists everything you need. Also - I would suggest printing all the forms, dividing them between yours and your husband's, and filling them on paper first, to get an idea of what you need. Once you have all the info, you can enter everything on the fillable forms, validate the ones that need to be, and print them. Some of the forms can be saved with the information in them, so it's frustrating to have to write again and again the same info !

Otherwise - it's not that complicated but a bit overwhelming at first!
Good luck,
Sweden
 

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katezinha82 said:
Hi,

My husband (British) and I (Canadian currently living in the UK), are planning to move back to Canada (Quebec) at the end of this year (03rd December).

We have decided to start all the paperwork once we are in Canada, which means he will be on a tourist Visa. How does this work? The tourist visa lasts 6 months but the application takes longer than this... Do we get an extension?

I also wondered whether I should apply for the Sponsorship before we move? I assume it will add some weight for when we pass through customs on our arrival in Canada? I am a bit confused about how to proceed with it all.

Is there anybody else on here who did this? We're quite nervous about it all and it would be nice to hear about other people's experiences regarding applying for PR preferably outland but from within Canada (Quebec).

Thanks in advance!

Kate
Hi Kate,

My wife is British and we lived together in Quebec through the entire outland process. We applied through the Paris office just before she left France, where she'd been living. We never had to apply for an extension, because she travelled back to Europe briefly at one point and got a fresh six months when she returned.

Since the others have done a good job of explaining the immigration side of things, I'll only say a little about it, and then I'll talk about other stuff. I agree with Sweden that the sooner you apply, the better. I find the following summary of the kinds of evidence to include quite useful: http://immigrationcanada.pro/immigration-rules/spousal-sponsorship/ Also, here is the link for a UK police certificate: http://www.acro.police.uk/police_certificates.aspx (it takes two or three weeks if you don't select the express option)

We didn't need to send the CSQ to Paris - I don't know about London, but I'm surprised to hear it's different. Since you're outside Canada at the moment, I believe you'll have an "Intent to Reside in Quebec" form to fill out at some point, or something like that.

In theory, it seems it's possible to apply for sponsorship first and only then send the PR application, but I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and there's not much point now that Stage 1 is only taking one month. Also, the application package doesn't spell out how you would go about it.

He'll have a lot of trouble getting a Quebec driver's licence before he becomes a PR. I don't think that's actually what the law says, but it's the way the SAAQ interprets it. My advice is to get an international driver's permit before he leaves Britain. Without it, he can only drive for six months.

The theory is that if you begin to reside (or "settle") in Quebec you only get six months, but if you don't reside in Quebec you can continue indefinitely with a valid foreign licence and IDP. The trouble is, the law on when you "reside" in Quebec doesn't say anything about immigration status, yet the SAAQ demand proof of status to issue a licence. At least this is what I was told when we inquired about it. The good news is the driver's licence exchange will be automatic if done within 12 months of "settling."

Car insurance may be a problem. My insurance company, which I had been with for years, was nice and gave her a whole year to get a Quebec licence, but since you don't already have car insurance here, it may be more difficult for you. Since he'll be driving legally, my advice is to keep trying until you find a place that allows it. The counterpart showing he hasn't had any convictions may be useful if you can convince them that it means what it means.

For banking, CIBC will be the easiest place for him to open an account (either joint or alone), because it's enough to have a UK driver's licence and passport. If he gets a "visitor record" when he enters Canada, he'll have more choices. But this would mean you'd have to have an actual discussion with the border officer about how long he'll be staying in Canada, since a visitor record is what's issued to people asking for more than six months.

Health care won't work until three months after he gets PR (presuming you apply outland). If your job offers spousal coverage, he likely won't be eligible for benefits until he's covered by the RAMQ. So make sure you don't pay for something that won't do him any good! (Your employer may tell you it's mandatory, but they may not understand the rules in your situation.) We went to Blue Cross for private coverage while we waited.

For various reasons, he may want to prove that he began to reside in Quebec/Canada on a certain date. (Citizenship, OAS, taxes, etc.) Getting a paper bank statement in his name with a Quebec address on it shortly after arrival will be helpful for this. Having some utility bills in his name, or having a joint lease, would also be helpful in this regard. If he has to renew his passport at any point after moving to Canada, he should keep his old one for the stamps, as this will be important if he applies for naturalization.

Later, when he lands and they fill out his COPR, make sure his "original date of entry" is entered correctly. CBSA officers sometimes leave it blank or erroneously enter the date of landing.
 

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frege said:
For banking, CIBC will be the easiest place for him to open an account (either joint or alone), because it's enough to have a UK driver's licence and passport. If he gets a "visitor record" when he enters Canada, he'll have more choices. But this would mean you'd have to have an actual discussion with the border officer about how long he'll be staying in Canada, since a visitor record is what's issued to people asking for more than six months.
Just a note about our experience banking. My husband has had a BMO (Bank of Montreal, or, I suppose more appropriately, Banque de Montréal) account since he was 18 or so. When we arrived in Québec, he had no trouble opening a joint account and adding me to that. I just used my U.S. driver's license. I can't remember if we had to show my passport or not, but I don't have a visitor's record, just the stamp in my passport from when we drove into Canada.
 

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QuebecOkie said:
Just a note about our experience banking. My husband has had a BMO (Bank of Montreal, or, I suppose more appropriately, Banque de Montréal) account since he was 18 or so. When we arrived in Québec, he had no trouble opening a joint account and adding me to that. I just used my U.S. driver's license. I can't remember if we had to show my passport or not, but I don't have a visitor's record, just the stamp in my passport from when we drove into Canada.
We had the opposite experience at BMO and Desjardins.
 

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frege said:
We had the opposite experience at BMO and Desjardins.
Interesting. I was quite shocked it was so easy for us, because I'm used to U.S. banking laws after the Patriot Act was passed, and everything became difficult. Here it just seemed so...unofficial. They didn't even give me crap for using my married name on the account, and you probably know how Québec is about THAT.
 

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QuebecOkie said:
Interesting. I was quite shocked it was so easy for us, because I'm used to U.S. banking laws after the Patriot Act was passed, and everything became difficult. Here it just seemed so...unofficial. They didn't even give me crap for using my married name on the account, and you probably know how Québec is about THAT.
My wife was recently asked (by Desjardins, now that she's a PR) whether anybody in her family has occupied a senior position in a foreign government.
 

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Interesting! They asked me NOTHING. Then again, I spoke zero French when we first arrived, so my hubby did all the talking. He didn't mention any questions like that to me.
 

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Thank you all so much! It's so nice to get information like this from people who have gone through the same thing! It seriously makes it all clearer to us and I feel I can really start the process for real now. I also know that if I have any question, I can come back on here and ask! It's hard to come by all this info via official websites.

Our plan is therefore to:

1. Ring and make an appointment for my husband to have his medical (I think the waiting time is 3 weeks or so).
2. Once we have the medical date, do the necessary to obtain his police certificate.
3. Whilst waiting for the above, we will start filling the forms (for which I probably will have questions for you guys! hehe).
4. Gather all the documents required for the application.
5. Send it all away! (I seriously can't wait to be at this stage... hehe).

Is there something important I am missing?

I have asked my parents to send us letters regarding our living arrangement, as we will be staying with them until my husband gets his PR. It will be free of charge, which I assume will help the application!
My parents also own a construction company and they will send us a letter mentioning that once my husband gets his PR, he will get a job right away and will therefore never be unemployed. I assume this will help to!

As for the bank, I have had an account with Royal Bank of Canada for like forever... Have you guys had any experience with them?

I can't wait to move back home! Almost 3 months to the day today! I miss my beloved Canada!