Moving back to Canada - Advice regarding British husband

[katezinha82]

Right, I'd forgotten about that part of your first post. So your coverage would start in March.

Haha, no worries! Thank you!

Right, my husband has his medical booked for the 01st October so it gives us just over 3 weeks to sort the rest of the paperwork!

I have started filling the sponsorship paperwork and I have a few questions, which you guys may be able to help me with:

1. On IMM 1344, question 6a) Relationship to principal applicant: I have Answered married. However 6c) (If you are in a conjugal relationship) Provide the date on which you entered into relationship. Do I have to answer this? I am not quite sure (sorry if it sounds silly) whether married is classed as a conjugal relationship.

2. Still on IMM 1344: Sponsor residency declaration. Are you a Canadian Citizen living exclusively outside Canada? Right, I currently live in the UK and have been for the past 6 1/2 years... So I assume the answer is yes?

3. Still on IMM 1344: Sponsor eligibility assessment:
3) Are you sponsoring a member of the family class or a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class? I assume the answer is yes?


4. Now on form IMM 5540: Have you resided in other countries other than Canada?: Obviously, I have lived, and still do, in England. In the period of residence, where they asked From and To, what do I put in To? I mean, we will send the application early October and we are flying out to Canada on the 03rd December. Do I put 03rd December, when though it will be a date in the "future"?
Also, they ask for phone numbers... As I lived in France from 2003 to 2005 and Scotland from 2007 to 2008, I need to provide the phone numbers for these as well. Trouble is, I don't remember them at all! How can they expect me to remember phone numbers from 10 years ago????

5. Still on for IMM 5540: Provide proof of your intention to re-establish in Canada: What should I include in there? I have the plane tickets for Canada already, I will have letter from my parents stating we will live with them and also a letter (again from my parents) stating that my husband will have a job within the company once he obtains his PR. Is that sufficient?

6. Still on for IMM 5540: Has your spouse met any of your close friends or family?: My husband has met pretty much my entire family and my closest friends. However, I have a VERY large family... It would be impossible to write it all! How many should I include?

7. Still on for IMM 5540: Have you ever been married or in a common-law or conjugal partner relationship before? As it happens, I have. They are asking for details of that person, including the address. The truth is, I have absolutely no idea what his address is and I don't even know where he is at all... What should I write there? Unknown?


Right, this is it for now! Phew... So very stressful!!! hehe Thanks for all your help guys!

 

[screech339]

Haha, no worries! Thank you!

Right, my husband has his medical booked for the 01st October so it gives us just over 3 weeks to sort the rest of the paperwork!

I have started filling the sponsorship paperwork and I have a few questions, which you guys may be able to help me with:

1. On IMM 1344, question 6a) Relationship to principal applicant: I have Answered married. However 6c) (If you are in a conjugal relationship) Provide the date on which you entered into relationship. Do I have to answer this? I am not quite sure (sorry if it sounds silly) whether married is classed as a conjugal relationship.

2. Still on IMM 1344: Sponsor residency declaration. Are you a Canadian Citizen living exclusively outside Canada? Right, I currently live in the UK and have been for the past 6 1/2 years... So I assume the answer is yes?

3. Still on IMM 1344: Sponsor eligibility assessment:
3) Are you sponsoring a member of the family class or a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class? I assume the answer is yes?


4. Now on form IMM 5540: Have you resided in other countries other than Canada?: Obviously, I have lived, and still do, in England. In the period of residence, where they asked From and To, what do I put in To? I mean, we will send the application early October and we are flying out to Canada on the 03rd December. Do I put 03rd December, when though it will be a date in the "future"?
Also, they ask for phone numbers... As I lived in France from 2003 to 2005 and Scotland from 2007 to 2008, I need to provide the phone numbers for these as well. Trouble is, I don't remember them at all! How can they expect me to remember phone numbers from 10 years ago????

5. Still on for IMM 5540: Provide proof of your intention to re-establish in Canada: What should I include in there? I have the plane tickets for Canada already, I will have letter from my parents stating we will live with them and also a letter (again from my parents) stating that my husband will have a job within the company once he obtains his PR. Is that sufficient?

6. Still on for IMM 5540: Has your spouse met any of your close friends or family?: My husband has met pretty much my entire family and my closest friends. However, I have a VERY large family... It would be impossible to write it all! How many should I include?

7. Still on for IMM 5540: Have you ever been married or in a common-law or conjugal partner relationship before? As it happens, I have. They are asking for details of that person, including the address. The truth is, I have absolutely no idea what his address is and I don't even know where he is at all... What should I write there? Unknown?


Right, this is it for now! Phew... So very stressful!!! hehe Thanks for all your help guys!

1. You leave the conjugal date blank. However if you are married, you put in the date you got married.

2. Yes - You would have to provide proof of moving or intention to move to Canada

3. No - You are not sponsoring within Canada. You are sponsoring outside Canada so answer is NO. Unless you plan to submit sponsorship within Canada when you land in Canada. That's a different application.

4. For To: you put in "Present" if you can.

5. What you listed is sufficient proof of your intention to move to Canada.

6. You don't have to list them all. Just mainly your parents, a couple of your siblings and a couple of friends. Remember if possible to include picture of you, your spouse with your large family in the picture. This will strengthen your claim that a lot of people and your family are introduced and aware of your relationship with spouse.

7. Honestly, I am not sure what to write there. However, you can say Unknown and write on a seperate sheet explaining the whole situation that you cannot find your previous ex's location. Also note last known address of ex as of specific date.

Hopefully this will help with your application.

Screech339

 

[frege]

I mostly agree with Screech's answers, but here are some additional thoughts.

3. Still on IMM 1344: Sponsor eligibility assessment:
3) Are you sponsoring a member of the family class or a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class? I assume the answer is yes?

Yes, family class.

4. Now on form IMM 5540: Have you resided in other countries other than Canada?: Obviously, I have lived, and still do, in England. In the period of residence, where they asked From and To, what do I put in To? I mean, we will send the application early October and we are flying out to Canada on the 03rd December. Do I put 03rd December, when though it will be a date in the "future"?
Also, they ask for phone numbers... As I lived in France from 2003 to 2005 and Scotland from 2007 to 2008, I need to provide the phone numbers for these as well. Trouble is, I don't remember them at all! How can they expect me to remember phone numbers from 10 years ago????

I would probably enter the date on which you sign the application. On the other hand, since the question says "resided", it's not asking you to predict the future. I'm sure they'll understand if you enter the intended date of departure.

I entered something like "unknown" for the phone numbers I couldn't find. Incredibly, I found all my (twenty or so) phone numbers going back to 1992 except for a couple, mostly from old phone bills.

It's incredible how much effort we put into these questions, when they're not going to read them except to check we've answered them. One question - "Have you ever been associated with a group that used, uses, advocated or advocates the use of armed struggle or violence to reach political, religious or social objectives?" - would presumably apply to me simply because I've paid taxes to the U.S. government.

7. Still on for IMM 5540: Have you ever been married or in a common-law or conjugal partner relationship before? As it happens, I have. They are asking for details of that person, including the address. The truth is, I have absolutely no idea what his address is and I don't even know where he is at all... What should I write there? Unknown?

I think "unknown" is okay in this situation. I wouldn't put down the last known address.

 

[katezinha82]

Thank you so much, both of you! You're right, we put so much effort in some questions... Some had me say out loud "Why the f*** do they need that information???". lol

So there is only the following question for which you have different opinions:

3. Still on IMM 1344: Sponsor eligibility assessment:
3) Are you sponsoring a member of the family class or a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class? I assume the answer is yes?

Is it the "in Canada class" that means WITHIN Canada and to which I should therefore answer "no"? Or is that part simply means that it is for Canada? That's the part that had me confused and it obviously confuses others as well! It is not very clear!

I entered something like "unknown" for the phone numbers I couldn't find. Incredibly, I found all my (twenty or so) phone numbers going back to 1992 except for a couple, mostly from old phone bills.

It's incredible how much effort we put into these questions, when they're not going to read them except to check we've answered them. One question - "Have you ever been associated with a group that used, uses, advocated or advocates the use of armed struggle or violence to reach political, religious or social objectives?" - would presumably apply to me simply because I've paid taxes to the U.S. government.

I think "unknown" is okay in this situation. I wouldn't put down the last known address.

You really made me laugh with your comment regarding the U.S. Government! Even though I really love the USA, I have to admit that I agree with your comment! hehe

As for the phone numbers, I wished I would have kept some old bills but when moving countries, it's basically the last thing I want to move... However, you answer made me think that my mom might still have those old numbers if her phone books... She usually simply puts a line across. I'll have to ask!

 

[screech339]

Sorry I was wrong about the question 3: are you sponsoring a member of the family class or a member of ....

The answer is YES.

People who sponsor inland or outland have to answer this question regardless.

This question is more of a statement of legal definition of family class, or common law partner in canada class that is recognized in Canada.

So the answer is YES. Sorry for the confusion.

Screech339

 

[katezinha82]

Sorry I was wrong about the question 3: are you sponsoring a member of the family class or a member of ....

The answer is YES.

People who sponsor inland or outland have to answer this question regardless.

This question is more of a statement of legal definition of family class, or common law partner in canada class that is recognized in Canada.

So the answer is YES. Sorry for the confusion.

Screech339

Thank you!


One more question regarding the sponsorship agreement, on the form IMM 1344:

Question 1: If you are found ineligible to sponsor, indicate whether you want to:

Withdraw your sponsorship application OR Proceed with the application for permanent residence

Logically, which one should I tick? If I am refused for whatever reason, is there any point in proceeding with the application for permanent residence?

 

[frege]

Thank you!


One more question regarding the sponsorship agreement, on the form IMM 1344:

Question 1: If you are found ineligible to sponsor, indicate whether you want to:

Withdraw your sponsorship application OR Proceed with the application for permanent residence

Logically, which one should I tick? If I am refused for whatever reason, is there any point in proceeding with the application for permanent residence?

Advantages of proceeding:

- you can appeal a refusal - if you tick "withdraw" you lose your appeal rights
- you can apply on H&C grounds to overcome any ineligibility of the sponsor (probably doesn't apply to you).
- according to at least one thread on the forum, processing won't be delayed while the visa office waits for the Quebec undertaking to be forwarded to them, but I'm not sure whether this is correct. (I find this theory unlikely, as they're probably not going to begin processing anyway in the six weeks or so it takes for you to obtain the CSQ and for MICC to forward the documentation to the visa office.)

Advantages of withdrawing:

- you won't be charged the $475 PR processing fee, which is good if you agree with them that you're ineligible.

I think that in the event of a sponsor refusal, I'd want to find out what the reason was and re-apply later before spending an additional $475. On the other hand, it's also possible that you could withdraw the PR application once you found out the reasons for the sponsorship refusal, if you agreed with it. If this was done before processing of the PR application began, you'd get your $475 back.

Maybe others will have more useful comments.

 

[katezinha82]

It makes more sense now! Thank you!

We will be filling the Main applicant's forms this week so I am sure I will have more questions for you guys!

 

[katezinha82]

Well, hello again!

We are slowly (but surely) getting there with the application. My husband has his medical next Monday and we are awaiting his criminal check. Once this is sorted, the application will be pretty much ready to go!

However, I still have a few questions for your guys...: I am using the application forms on this page, as we are still currently in the UK (moving on the 03rd December: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/fc.asp

In the IMM5481 - Sponsorship Evaluation, I leave the entire 5. B) section blank right? I mean, the only undertaking I am doing is my husband and I have never done any before. Just double-checking!

In the document IMM1344 - Application to sponsor (I have asked this question before but somehow I am still confused): As we are MARRIED and not in a conjugal relationship, I assume I leave 6 C) blank, right? Or do I need to put our wedding date?

In the document IMM 008 - Generic Application Form for Canada, question 3: "How many members, including you, are in this application?": As I am my husband sponsor and already Canadian, should we count me in there or simply put "1" for my husband?

In the document IMM 008 - Generic Application Form for Canada, question 7 C): If we haven't yet applied for the CSQ, do we leave this blank? I thought we were supposed to apply to the CIC first and then they will tell us to apply for CSQ? I am a bit confused with that one.


Now, regarding the payment, how does it work exactly? Do we pay everything in one go? For some reason, I think my head if overflowing, I can't find the page explaining the fees... But if I remember correctly, there are 2 payments of around 450$... Plus the sponsorship fees of 75$. Is this to be paid all together?

One more question. When there isn't enough space, I assume we continue on a blank sheet of paper, right? Do I need to use a new one for each different question? How did you guys do it?


Thank you again! I am really looking forward to have this all sent... And eventually being able to help someone else too!

 

[canuck_in_uk]

It does take awhile

IMM5481: Don't leave it blank, put 0 in each box.

IMM1344: When you select "Spouse" in 6a, it greys out both 6b and 6c. You do not need to answer greyed out sections.

IMM0008: Question 3, just put 1.

IMM0008: Question 7c), don't know, wait for someone else to answer that one


Though you have the option of just paying the Sponsorship app fee and Principal Applicant fee upfront ($75 and $475) and then paying the RPRF ($490) when CIC requests it, it is best to pay the entire amount at once. Not paying the RPRF upfront will delay your app.

Continue on a blank sheet. Use a new sheet for each form. At the top of the additional sheet, put the applicant and sponsor name and the form number and name. If the form has multiple sections like IMM1344, put the relevant section and then the question number. When you organize the app, put each additional sheet together with the corresponding form.

 

[frege]

Leave question 7(c) blank.

In the IMM5481 - Sponsorship Evaluation, I leave the entire 5. B) section blank right? I mean, the only undertaking I am doing is my husband and I have never done any before. Just double-checking!

This form says sponsors "living in Quebec" need not complete the form. I know you don't yet reside in Quebec, but my impression is that even if you only intend to reside in Quebec, you probably don't need to complete it. I think it's just an oversight on CIC's part. The logic behind it is that it's Quebec, rather than the federal government, that gets to evaluate your eligibility as a sponsor with respect to financial and similar requirements.

Since I'm not 100% sure about this, it would be best if someone else could confirm it. I know you can't call CIC easily from abroad.

 

[katezinha82]

Thank you for very quick replies once again guys!

Leave question 7(c) blank.

This form says sponsors "living in Quebec" need not complete the form. I know you don't yet reside in Quebec, but my impression is that even if you only intend to reside in Quebec, you probably don't need to complete it. I think it's just an oversight on CIC's part. The logic behind it is that it's Quebec, rather than the federal government, that gets to evaluate your eligibility as a sponsor with respect to financial and similar requirements.

Since I'm not 100% sure about this, it would be best if someone else could confirm it. I know you can't call CIC easily from abroad.

Yeah, I tried once and got nowhere. Pretty useless.

Does anyone know for sure then? You'd think they'd make it clear.....

 

[katezinha82]

Leave question 7(c) blank.

This form says sponsors "living in Quebec" need not complete the form. I know you don't yet reside in Quebec, but my impression is that even if you only intend to reside in Quebec, you probably don't need to complete it. I think it's just an oversight on CIC's part. The logic behind it is that it's Quebec, rather than the federal government, that gets to evaluate your eligibility as a sponsor with respect to financial and similar requirements.

Since I'm not 100% sure about this, it would be best if someone else could confirm it. I know you can't call CIC easily from abroad.

I have looked a bit more into it... It appears that this form doesn't have to be signed for people living or intending to live in Quebec. Does it been it doesn't have to be filled at all or simply not signed? I don't quite see the point of filling out as form without signing it.


When you send your application, do you include originals (such as wedding certificate)? If so, I assume they will return it all.
If not, do they have to be certified? It does say that copies have to be certified, but does that include all copies or just translated documents (which I won't need any of, thankfully!).

 

[canuck_in_uk]

I have looked a bit more into it... It appears that this form doesn't have to be signed for people living or intending to live in Quebec. Does it been it doesn't have to be filled at all or simply not signed? I don't quite see the point of filling out as form without signing it.


When you send your application, do you include originals (such as wedding certificate)? If so, I assume they will return it all.
If not, do they have to be certified? It does say that copies have to be certified, but does that include all copies or just translated documents (which I won't need any of, thankfully!).

Sorry, still don't know about the Quebec stuff.

No originals or certified copies needed, just send regular copies.

 

[frege]

I have looked a bit more into it... It appears that this form doesn't have to be signed for people living or intending to live in Quebec. Does it been it doesn't have to be filled at all or simply not signed? I don't quite see the point of filling out as form without signing it.

Where did you get that information?