International students

[rajibsam]

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back in the days when i came here i never came with motive of settling down here , but once i got use to living here i started liking it, so i can relate myself with most of the students who want settle here for good after their studies and work....

Wow! Another joke

Majority (if not all) of the international students who come to Canada come with a sole purpose of immigration. This is a escape route from competition back home. Which is not bad. Its very logical. But not sure why no one wants to admit it that study was taken as part of immigration process (someone pointed out buying PR). If education was the only reason for migration, then new system would not be hated so much by students (who find first come first serve better - again another escape route from competition).

Now this back door is closed and only students with good job/pnp are allowed. That's unfortunate but may be good for Canada.

 

[Han]

Wow! Another joke

Majority (if not all) of the international students who come to Canada come with a sole purpose of immigration. This is a escape route from competition back home. Which is not bad. Its very logical. But not sure why no one wants to admit it that study was taken as part of immigration process (someone pointed out buying PR). If education was the only reason for migration, then new system would not be hated so much by students (who find first come first serve better - again another escape route from competition).

Now this back door is closed and only students with good job/pnp are allowed. That's unfortunate but may be good for Canada.

It is not a joke! My intentions were to get a PhD and go back home! After a couple of years I got used to lifestyle here and I started liking Canada!
Don't paint everyone with the same brush!

 

[rajibsam]

It is not a joke! My intentions were to get a PhD and go back home! After a couple of years I got used to lifestyle here and I started liking Canada!
Don't paint everyone with the same brush!

Sorry, not saying about everyone. PhD is really good and even you get paid while studying. I was commenting more about under graduate courses/diploma/certificate courses. I think these are available in every country and there may not be a merit to pursue same courses in Canada. Who would like to pay 3 times, when these courses are so cheap in home country, if immigration isn't an option.

Do you find EE difficult? Don't you have option of going for PnP?

 

[Han]

Sorry, not saying about everyone. PhD is really good and even you get paid while studying. I was commenting more about under graduate courses/diploma/certificate courses. I think these are available in every country and there may not be a merit to pursue same courses in Canada. Who would like to pay 3 times, when these courses are so cheap in home country, if immigration isn't an option.

Do you find EE difficult? Don't you have option of going for PnP?

You may see in my timeline that I have already filed my application for EE. I scored high (the highest possible) in IELTS, and I have three years of work experience back home. Scored 465, got ITA December 18th.
It hurts that I didn't get any points for 4 years of PhD studies, doing research and TAship though!

"If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you’ll find an excuse."

 

[RamsayBolton]

Wow! Another joke

Majority (if not all) of the international students who come to Canada come with a sole purpose of immigration. This is a escape route from competition back home. Which is not bad. Its very logical. But not sure why no one wants to admit it that study was taken as part of immigration process (someone pointed out buying PR). If education was the only reason for migration, then new system would not be hated so much by students (who find first come first serve better - again another escape route from competition).

Now this back door is closed and only students with good job/pnp are allowed. That's unfortunate but may be good for Canada.

"Escape from competition back home" ? What kind of competition? I don't know how's things are in Europe, but in Asia, especially those third world countries, there are no competition at all compared to Canada. A good software dev, sys/network admin here in Canada, one can easily find a job that pays more than $65k/year, but back home, it's a shitty income of $300 ~ $400/month, even if you work for a foreign company, maximum is $2000/month. That's why people coming to western countries to study, get a job and then find a way to settle later.

I also don't see any backdoor with the old system since all intl't student had to prove that they have a credible degree and stable job, it's not like CIC admitted everyone. The only back door I can see is the fake and/or very easy to have working experience and degrees in foreign countries which many fsw are using. For degrees, at least it can be estimated as equivalent to Canadian's as knowledge is the same (1+1 equals 2) everywhere in the world, but for working experience, it's really a joke.

 

[rajibsam]

You may see in my timeline that I have already filed my application for EE. I scored high (the highest possible) in IELTS, and I have three years of work experience back home. Scored 465, got ITA December 18th.
It hurts that I didn't get any points for 4 years of PhD studies, doing research and TAship though!

"If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you’ll find an excuse."

Ok, congrats and all the best for PR.

I believe you do get some points for PhD (14/15 points on top of masters - depending on marital status) and a separate NOC (4012) for Post-secondary teaching and research assistants. So it shows EE cares for you! At the end these 14/15 points is what makes the difference.

 

[Han]

Ok, congrats and all the best for PR.

I believe you do get some points for PhD (14/15 points on top of masters - depending on marital status) and a separate NOC (4012) for Post-secondary teaching and research assistants. So it shows EE cares for you! At the end these 14/15 points is what makes the difference.

I have not finished my PhD yet! I received points for Master's degree from back home. I received points towards eligibility though.
All the best,

 

[rajibsam]

"Escape from competition back home" ? What kind of competition? ...

In India, to get into top colleges (engineering/MBA/Medical), you have to compete with 1.35 million students each year and only top 0.5% are selected.

Again just to clarify, getting admission into top Canadian Universities are equally tough and commendable. I believe students in these colleges/uni are given due credit through PnP.

 

[dupsy21]

I don't have any issue with the old system but I have an issue with international students thinking they are better than others. It is pure fallacy.

With the new system, extra points are given to international students. If it does not work for some people, they should take it up with the government. Regardless of how many years of studies and experience gained in Canada, PR is still a privilege and not a right to both international students and non international students. We should all appreciate the opportunity and strive to meet the requirements.

With regard to fake job experience, please report anyone you see doing that. Also, if IRCC cannot detect fake employments, then a more robust system is required.

"Escape from competition back home" ? What kind of competition? I don't know how's things are in Europe, but in Asia, especially those third world countries, there are no competition at all compared to Canada. A good software dev, sys/network admin here in Canada, one can easily find a job that pays more than $65k/year, but back home, it's a *censored word* income of $300 ~ $400/month, even if you work for a foreign company, maximum is $2000/month. That's why people coming to western countries to study, get a job and then find a way to settle later.

I also don't see any backdoor with the old system since all intl't student had to prove that they have a credible degree and stable job, it's not like CIC admitted everyone. The only back door I can see is the fake and/or very easy to have working experience and degrees in foreign countries which many fsw are using. For degrees, at least it can be estimated as equivalent to Canadian's as knowledge is the same (1+1 equals 2) everywhere in the world, but for working experience, it's really a joke.

 

[RamsayBolton]

In India, to get into top colleges (engineering/MBA/Medical), you have to compete with 1.35 million students each year and only top 0.5% are selected.

Again just to clarify, getting admission into top Canadian Universities are equally tough and commendable. I believe students in these colleges/uni are given due credit through PnP.

Same thing everywhere for top universities/college, but you do not receive extra point for getting a degree from a top university. Therefore, there is a big difference between getting a degree in a country whose language is not your mother tongue and getting degree in your home country, even for a not so prestigious Canadian university.

I don't have any issue with the old system but I have an issue with international students thinking they are better than others. It is pure fallacy.

With the new system, extra points are given to international students. If it does not work for some people, they should take it up with the government. Regardless of how many years of studies and experience gained in Canada, PR is still a privilege and not a right to both international students and non international students. We should all appreciate the opportunity and strive to meet the requirements.

With regard to fake job experience, please report anyone you see doing that. Also, if IRCC cannot detect fake employments, then a more robust system is required.

Not just fake job exp, but also very easy to get job exp, in the poor and extremely corrupt Asian countries like India, China or Pakistan, you can get everything you need if you know the right people and you have money in your pocket. It's so cheap to establish a company, hire six or seven employees and give half of them some big titles like system engineer, senior accountants, vp or cfo, coo. Since all the fsw applicants here are required to have least $12k fund in their bank account, so I can safely say that their families are not poor at all but to be middle class at least. Hence, who knows how many of them were working for their family's companies?

To be honest, IRCC needs a rigorous assessment system for claimed job experience from third world countries, same as ECA, because I, myself, come from a third world country, and I don't trust any thing from my country as well.

 

[lisizi]

You may see in my timeline that I have already filed my application for EE. I scored high (the highest possible) in IELTS, and I have three years of work experience back home. Scored 465, got ITA December 18th.
It hurts that I didn't get any points for 4 years of PhD studies, doing research and TAship though!

"If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you’ll find an excuse."

Hi Han,
Congrats on your IELTS score. I am taking it in the next few months.
Did you use the material available online to prepare? Any tips?
I have learned English on my own and need to score CLB 9.
Thanks!

 

[kateg]

It's so cheap to establish a company, hire six or seven employees and give half of them some big titles like system engineer, senior accountants, vp or cfo, coo. Since all the fsw applicants here are required to have least $12k fund in their bank account, so I can safely say that their families are not poor at all but to be middle class at least. Hence, who knows how many of them were working for their family's companies?

On the other hand, some applicants start legitimate companies, and work for them for a long time before entering Express Entry. Should they be punished because the company they work for isn't big enough?

 

[RamsayBolton]

On the other hand, some applicants start legitimate companies, and work for them for a long time before entering Express Entry. Should they be punished because the company they work for isn't big enough?

Not punished, but if they want to claim those working exp, they have to prove the company they were working for are legit. If a Canadian company needs to jump through many hoops to probe that they are legit, then foreign companies need to comply as well. How come all foreign degrees need to be assessed but not job exp? since they can claim at least 25 points for that (before multiplying with language skill).

Ex: - applicant with perfect ielts score, bachelor degree (canadian or eca), 1 year working experience in Canada : 444 points
- applicant with perfect ielts score, bachelor degree (canadian or eca), 1 year working experience in Canada and 3 years foreign work experience (unverifiable) : 494 points

 

[rajibsam]

... job experience from third world countries, same as ECA, because I, myself, come from a third world country, and I don't trust any thing from my country as well.

Its called Emerging economies or developing countries.

China and India (combined) have more than 20% of Global fortune 500 companies. Canada has 2% of these companies. Hope this figure isn't corrupted. May be that's the reason why most of the skilled workers are from these countries.

 

[dupsy21]

I do not claim fake companies do not exist but international students seem to be focused more on preventing others from coming to Canada than fighting their case. For example, now, you want more stringent rules for outside applicants while life should be made easier for international students.

We already have to get ECA done, get proof of funds and get high IELTS score and 3 years job experience to stand a chance. It took me over a month to get my proof of funds cos banks here do not understand why the information is needed. My company here also struggled to give me letter of employment. I almost gave up on submitting my application. The whole process is already stressful and time consuming.

I do not tolerate corruptions and hate the act of cheating the system. However, you have to admit that it will be difficult to prove job experience. You might say that some people work for small companies. I can tell you that here, you work harder when you work for small companies than big companies.

Not punished, but if they want to claim those working exp, they have to prove the company they were working for are legit. If a Canadian company needs to jump through many hoops to probe that they are legit, then foreign companies need to comply as well. How come all foreign degrees need to be assessed but not job exp? since they can claim at least 25 points for that (before multiplying with language skill).