International students

[kateg]

what is a worthless degree/education? who decides that?

The applicant, and the job market (if the applicant is trying to get a job).

why is there no points for worthwhile degrees in express entry all masters are the same?

They don't want to discriminate. That's why they give points for getting a degree, and more points for getting work experience.

yes it was not promised by canada to get a job as well as immigration but they had created CEC as a lure they want the 3 time the fees that international students pay but they want to ignore them in express entry.

International students pay more, because their education is not subsidized for the government, nor do they pay a lifetime of taxes to justify the subsidies. You pay for an education, you get an education. Don't buy something at the store than complain that you didn't get more than you paid for, or that someone else gets an employee discount.

It seems like selective amnesia. look at the colleges advertising and paying money to agent to bring in international students.

I've seen the college advertising. It says that you can come to Canada. If they are a reputable school, they don't say you can stay. Even if the school lies, CIC makes it very clear. Temporary residence visa. Temporary status. "MUST LEAVE CANADA BY [DATE]". It's right there on the permit.

All the false promises that these agents make.

Sure. Lots of agents lie - just read the forum. Guess what - when they promise you an LMIA, they are ripping you off, too.

if they want a a fair competitive environment then reduce study permits and not give out study permits to any tom dick or harry and expect to keep only the finest. Thats just morally wrong

It's not wrong at all, and your idea is silly.

Canada has good schools. It's absurd to say that people can't come if they can afford them - if you want a Canadian education, and you can pay the tuition, you can get one. Why punish those people - they get exactly what they pay for, an honest transaction.

Likewise, immigrants are selected on education and work experience. It doesn't have to be in Canada - my spouse got many of her points for education in the United States. If they were to punish Canadian international students, that would be morally wrong.

What's wrong is that people get their hopes up for things that were never promised. They need to READ things.

http://quic.queensu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/SP-new2013.jpg
http://www.kienthucduhoc.com/upload/images/users/20111116032911_Visa%20-%20Study%20permit.png
http://vietnam.canada-edu.org/images/stories/studycanada/study%20permit400.jpg

MUST LEAVE CANADA BY [DATE].

Why should they turn legitimate students around and deny them study permits because people who won't read end up disappointed?

 

[kateg]

but still the system was fair and just and u can even apply for extension of your PGWP ...

No, it wasn't. It was a way to buy PR, and that's unfair to Canada. Take easy courses, barely manage to pass, and nearly automatic PR. It was ridiculous. Why should qualified foreigners be passed over so that unqualified foreigners can stay after classes, after promising to leave?

 

[Jessicaqu1988]

No, it wasn't. It was a way to buy PR, and that's unfair to Canada. Take easy courses, barely manage to pass, and nearly automatic PR. It was ridiculous. Why should qualified foreigners be passed over so that unqualified foreigners can stay after classes, after promising to leave?

How about for the international students who has been working here almost one year in very good job and the salary is above the average salary here?

They cannot extend PGWP themselves. There is no way to extend PGWP without LIMA or FN. Will you call this ' buy pr' ?

Some people are doing things in this way but it cannot represent the majority.

 

[dupsy21]

How do you mean that "foreign Experience" cannot be compared with "Canadian Experience"? I beg to differ. There are loads of people with experience from European countries and US that are applying for PR through Express Entry because of unfavourable Immigration Laws in those countries. Who told you that it is not hard for you to find jobs in those countries and who says your MSc. in Canada is better than the one in other Countries? I did my Masters in one of the top Universities in the UK and I have gained almost 4 years professional experience in the UK. Even with my experience, UK government does not promise "Permanent Residence".

A lot of students spend thousands of pounds to study in the UK and will have to go back to their home countries after their studies. So count yourself privileged that Canada has given you the opportunity to become permanent resident after your studies.


Please bear in mind that "foreign experience"

And about fake experience.
In a lot of cases, they didn't fake. But the point is, in a lot of situations, foreign experience cannot compared Canadian experience.
It is not hard for you to find a job in your home country which is decent. But it is very very very very hard to find a decent job here.
My boyfriend, MBA of finance, did a course here, have really good knowledge, no job.
HR simply asks him on the phone what is your status. When they know he is on open work permit, they simply told him to contact them when he gets pr.
It is the truth and it happens to almost all the international students.

Your code is 2174, which is in high demand. It may not take you a lot time to get a good job. But it doesnt mean every students from every industry will be as lucky as you.

 

[Honeyaustin]

[size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]what is a worthless degree/education? who decides that? why is there no points for worthwhile degrees in express entry all masters are the same? yes it was not promised by canada to get a job as well as immigration but they had created CEC as a lure they want the 3 time the fees that international students pay but they want to ignore them in express entry. It seems like selective amnesia. look at the colleges advertising and paying money to agent to bring in international students. All the false promises that these agents make. if they want a a fair competitive environment then reduce study permits and not give out study permits to any tom dick or harry and expect to keep only the finest. Thats just morally wrong[/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size]

agreed

 

[Hansdza]

Jessica is right..

1. Foreign experience in general (to my understanding), in the eyes of Canadian local companies, is inferior compared to Canadian experience. Suck it up man, it is the fact. By that. I don't mean those with foreign experience from the UK, Germany, France, USA are less qualified than those with Canadian experience. They, perhaps, are actually more qualified especially if they graduate from Top Schools like Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, MIT, Stanford, you name it.
2. I am not bragging here, but for me, It wont take me months to land a job in my country. Just need to pick up my phone and call my contacts they will be happy to know If I want to join them. I can start working anytime I want. But that is not the reality here in Canada even with my Canadian Masters degree and the so- called "CANADIAN EXPERIENCE" it won't be easy for me.. again Suck it up, it is a fact
3. In Canada, to my understanding, it is not about WHAT you know. It is about WHO you know. Perhaps that's the reason why Jessica's boyfriend didn't get the job even though he had all the qualification and experience under his belt
4. I have the same experience here with one of the biggest headhunter companies in Canada. Got an Interview with them after I graduated, everything went smooth and he was happy with me. The interview was relax and we talk about lots of things for more than 1 hour. Funny thing, when talked about a job that was suitable with my profile he realized that I was on PGWP. Everything suddenly stopped. He said sorry he didn't know it from the beginning. He thought I was a Citizen or PR. He told me straight, they cannot hire international student. He asked me to call him back once I am done with the PR stuff

I was about to go to UK too for my masters degree but my relative who lived there told me that Canada was better. There were no job in the UK, and people who just graduated there were struggling for job. That was back in 2011.

 

[mf4361]

Jessica is right..

1. Foreign experience in general (to my understanding), in the eyes of Canadian local companies, is inferior compared to Canadian experience. Suck it up man, it is the fact. By that. I don't mean those with foreign experience from the UK, Germany, France, USA are less qualified than those with Canadian experience. They, perhaps, are actually more qualified especially if they graduate from Top Schools like Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, MIT, Stanford, you name it.
2. I am not bragging here, but for me, It wont take me months to land a job in my country. Just need to pick up my phone and call my contacts they will be happy to know If I want to join them. I can start working anytime I want. But that is not the reality here in Canada even with my Canadian Masters degree and the so- called "CANADIAN EXPERIENCE" it won't be easy for me.. again Suck it up, it is a fact
3. In Canada, to my understanding, it is not about WHAT you know. It is about WHO you know. Perhaps that's the reason why Jessica's boyfriend didn't get the job even though he had all the qualification and experience under his belt
4. I have the same experience here with one of the biggest headhunter companies in Canada. Got an Interview with them after I graduated, everything went smooth and he was happy with me. The interview was relax and we talk about lots of things for more than 1 hour. Funny thing, when talked about a job that was suitable with my profile he realized that I was on PGWP. Everything suddenly stopped. He said sorry he didn't know it from the beginning. He thought I was a Citizen or PR. He told me straight, they cannot hire international student. He asked me to call him back once I am done with the PR stuff

I was about to go to UK too for my masters degree but my relative who lived there told me that Canada was better. There were no job in the UK, and people who just graduated there were struggling for job. That was back in 2011.

1. This is true. Companies specifically lists Canadian experience only. Even if not, managers think domestic experiences are more relevant than otherwise.
2. It took me 4 months to landed even an interview after graduation back in 2013
4. I got rejected a second interview by a US company's Canada office because they know I am not PR/Citizen.

 

[dupsy21]

I agree with you that it will likely be difficult to get a job in Canada, it is the same almost everywhere. Even in my home country, I have friends that have graduated over 5 years ago and they are still looking for job. Your No 3 statement applies to almost everywhere not only in Canada.

With regard to your No 4 statement, here in the UK, you won't even be given opportunity to apply if you are not from EU or a British citizen.The government allows jobs to be given to foreigners only if the employer can prove than no UK/EU citizen have the required qualification for the job.

For all jobs in the UK except for the job under Shortage Occupation Code, Resident Labour Market (RLMT) has to be done before any foreigners can be employed. Also, your job is tied to your employer. If you lose your job, you will have to leave the country if you don't get another employer to sponsor you.

How is Canada different from UK then? I will prefer to stay in the UK, but it is very tough to get Indefinite Leave to Remain and British Citizenship. So, it is a privilege that Canada is offering you a route to PR after your studies and not a right.

You have spent years in Canada and have learnt the culture. Good for you. Who says I can't come to Canada, get a good job or do my PhD? What rule says only international student can adapt to Canadian culture? I am sure you were not born there, so how come you adapted to the culture?

Jessica is right..

1. Foreign experience in general (to my understanding), in the eyes of Canadian local companies, is inferior compared to Canadian experience. Suck it up man, it is the fact. By that. I don't mean those with foreign experience from the UK, Germany, France, USA are less qualified than those with Canadian experience. They, perhaps, are actually more qualified especially if they graduate from Top Schools like Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, MIT, Stanford, you name it.
2. I am not bragging here, but for me, It wont take me months to land a job in my country. Just need to pick up my phone and call my contacts they will be happy to know If I want to join them. I can start working anytime I want. But that is not the reality here in Canada even with my Canadian Masters degree and the so- called "CANADIAN EXPERIENCE" it won't be easy for me.. again Suck it up, it is a fact
3. In Canada, to my understanding, it is not about WHAT you know. It is about WHO you know. Perhaps that's the reason why Jessica's boyfriend didn't get the job even though he had all the qualification and experience under his belt
4. I have the same experience here with one of the biggest headhunter companies in Canada. Got an Interview with them after I graduated, everything went smooth and he was happy with me. The interview was relax and we talk about lots of things for more than 1 hour. Funny thing, when talked about a job that was suitable with my profile he realized that I was on PGWP. Everything suddenly stopped. He said sorry he didn't know it from the beginning. He thought I was a Citizen or PR. He told me straight, they cannot hire international student. He asked me to call him back once I am done with the PR stuff

I was about to go to UK too for my masters degree but my relative who lived there told me that Canada was better. There were no job in the UK, and people who just graduated there were struggling for job. That was back in 2011.

 

[Honeyaustin]

[size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]People who cannot achieve anything in their home country are losers after years of working experience and loads of qualification you guys want to come to canada, its not that you all cannot find jobs in your country, you all leave your jobs and lives just to come to canada it doesn't makes sense to me other than considering you a losers and on the other hand all the students who studied here in canada make their own path to the top all by themselves without any help. whereas you guys are already doing jobs in comfort of your families and you still quit it.
canada definitely don't need quitters for sure.

so once a loser will always be a loser and they should not be put in the same pool with hardworking and successful international graduates who are young and heading towards peak of their careers[/size][/size][/size] :-*

So international students should be given priority in express entry or this system should be shut down for good

 

[dupsy21]

You don't deserve a response to your rant but I will still respond to you.

I think part of Canadian culture is to be courteous to others (correct me if I am wrong). Unfortunately, you have not adapted to the culture cos you are not. Calling people losers is disrespectful. Go and work on your manners before you post on public forums.

Why did you leave your country to Canada or were you born in Canada? Go back to you home country and gain the years of experience.

Hardworking and successful international graduates who are young? I got the maximum score for age, with almost 4 years work experience in UK, 1 year of experience in my home country, Masters and also working on my PhD. So who says you are better than me?

[size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]People who cannot achieve anything in their home country are losers after years of working experience and loads of qualification you guys want to come to canada, its not that you all cannot find jobs in your country, you all leave your jobs and lives just to come to canada it doesn't makes sense to me other than considering you a losers and on the other hand all the students who studied here in canada make their own path to the top all by themselves without any help. whereas you guys are already doing jobs in comfort of your families and you still quit it.
canada definitely don't need quitters for sure.

so once a loser will always be a loser and they should not be put in the same pool with hardworking and successful international graduates who are young and heading towards peak of their careers[/size][/size][/size] :-*

So international students should be given priority in express entry or this system should be shut down for good

 

[anarsoul]

People who cannot achieve anything in their home country are losers after years of working experience and loads of qualification you guys want to come to canada, its not that you all cannot find jobs in your country, you all leave your jobs and lives just to come to canada it doesn't makes sense to me other than considering you a losers and on the other hand all the students who studied here in canada make their own path to the top all by themselves without any help. whereas you guys are already doing jobs in comfort of your families and you still quit it.
canada definitely don't need quitters for sure.
so once a loser will always be a loser and they should not be put in the same pool with hardworking and successful international graduates who are young and heading towards peak of their careers

Most immigrants are successful persons in their countries, and they come to Canada for different reasons. At least they are fair saying that they want to immigrate, while most international students exploited a backdoor in immigration system, saying that they'll go back to their home country and they do not want to immigrate.

 

[RamsayBolton]

[size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]People who cannot achieve anything in their home country are losers after years of working experience and loads of qualification you guys want to come to canada, its not that you all cannot find jobs in your country, you all leave your jobs and lives just to come to canada it doesn't makes sense to me other than considering you a losers and on the other hand all the students who studied here in canada make their own path to the top all by themselves without any help. whereas you guys are already doing jobs in comfort of your families and you still quit it.
canada definitely don't need quitters for sure.

so once a loser will always be a loser and they should not be put in the same pool with hardworking and successful international graduates who are young and heading towards peak of their careers[/size][/size][/size] :-*

So international students should be given priority in express entry or this system should be shut down for good

As an international student myself, I think you are becoming an extremist with your idea and comments. The problem is not with the foreign applicants, but with the system which put intl't students in the same pool with older foreign workers. It's so frustrating to see an immigrant insulting other immigrants because he is not qualified enough to become a pr. You failure is not caused by other people's success.

 

[Honeyaustin]

As an international student myself, I think you are becoming an extremist with your idea and comments. The problem is not with the foreign applicants, but with the system which put intl't students in the same pool with older foreign workers. It's so frustrating to see an immigrant insulting other immigrants because he is not qualified enough to become a pr. You failure is not caused by other people's success.

what do you think about all those people who are opposing international students even thou they don't have to because this thread was suppose to unite international students, but people do their best to speak against international, and i am not saying anything wrong , i just gave my honest opinion about the "haters only".
no one said anything against these people but they still keep opposing and trying their best to stop international students to unite and ask for changes.

and i am gonna always support international student over these losers and haters

 

[Honeyaustin]

Most immigrants are successful persons in their countries, and they come to Canada for different reasons. At least they are fair saying that they want to immigrate, while most international students exploited a backdoor in immigration system, saying that they'll go back to their home country and they do not want to immigrate.

for your information there is nothing called like back door, whereas its just government play with students and modifying things for their convenience, moreover students feel cheated when they find out about express entry and its harshness against international students, of course no one promise anything but if they feel the previous policy was better they can speak up.
back in the days when i came here i never came with motive of settling down here , but once i got use to living here i started liking it, so i can relate myself with most of the students who want settle here for good after their studies and work, i feel they should be given priority over others and they should not be forced to compete with international losers

 

[rajibsam]

what do you think about all those people who are opposing international students even thou they don't have to because this thread was suppose to unite international students, but people do their best to speak against international, and i am not saying anything wrong , i just gave my honest opinion about the "haters only".
no one said anything against these people but they still keep opposing and trying their best to stop international students to unite and ask for changes.

and i am gonna always support international student over these losers and haters

Even with EE, the wait seems longer. It seems always we are waiting: IELTS, ECA, ITA, PCC, Medical, PPR and so on. So people are commenting out of boredom. They don't want to stop students to unite.

Your comments are very entertaining. May be awarded Joke of the year Please enlighten us with more of your thoughts.

There is a cap on economic migrants. What should be the ratio of FSW/CEC in this cap? Should CEC be divided into CEC-PGWP and CEC-LMIA? What should be the points system for CEC-PGWP?