How will you ever know where you stand in Express Entry pool???

[Regina]

For example, from Australian program, it is clear that

An ‘occupation ceiling’ may be applied to invitations issued under the independent, skilled regional (provisional) visas. This means there will be a limit on how many EOIs can be selected for skilled migration from an occupation group. This ensures that the skilled migration program is not dominated by a small number of occupations. Once this limit is reached, no further invitations for that particular occupation group will be issued for that program year. Invitations will then be allocated to intending migrants in other occupation groups even if they are lower ranking. You can view the occupation ceilings that apply to SkillSelect at http://www.immi.gov.au/Work/Pages/SkillSelect/SkillSelect.aspx

Somewhere I read the same about EE in Canada.

And this is about "ranking" :

You will not be notified of the progress of your EOI or be able to obtain any updates on the likelihood of receiving an invitation. After each invitation round for the independent and skilled regional (provisional) sponsored visas, the Department will publish on the SkillSelect website the lowest points scoring points test mark that allowed an EOI to be invited. This will give you an indication of your potential for receiving an invitation in future rounds.

So, if you did not get ITA "this draw" you will see (post factum!) was is your ranking. And actually there is no use to know you "ranking" in "failed" draw if you do not know what is coming in the next one.

 

[Regina]

Here is how the system statistics worked for Nov 14 draw:
http://www.immi.gov.au/Work/Pages/SkillSelect/results/14-november-2014.aspx

You can see that all aplicants with 65-80 ponts got ITA ( ap 600 people) and 800 of those with 60 points got it to (total 1400 for skilled category for Nov 14 draw)

Also, pay attention to this: (if CIC copied that principe too)

The highest ranked clients by points score are invited to apply for the relevant visa. For clients who have equal points scores, the time at which they reached their points score for that subclass (referred to as the visa date of effect) determines their order of invitation. Expressions of Interest with earlier dates of effect are invited before later dates.

 

[boske83]

Here is how the system statistics worked for Nov 14 draw:
http://www.immi.gov.au/Work/Pages/SkillSelect/results/14-november-2014.aspx

You can see that all aplicants with 65-80 ponts got ITA ( ap 600 people) and 800 of those with 60 points got it to (total 1400 for skilled category for Nov 14 draw)

Also, pay attention to this: (if CIC copied that principe too)

Last quote is not true for CIC - it is clearly stated that ALL candidates with lowest score will receive ITA.
"Managing ties in the CRS
It is possible for there to be a tie in ranking between two or more candidates who have the same CRS score. When more than one candidate holds the lowest rank included in a particular draw, all candidates holding that lowest rank will be drawn."

Can you provide comparison between AU score and CRS score?

 

[Regina]

When more than one candidate holds the lowest rank included in a particular draw, all candidates holding that lowest rank will be drawn."

Do not think so. There will be a limit of ITA for each draw. Otherwise they will fill the numbers for 2015 for Economy class in February 2015. If CIC accepts everybody with no matter how high (or low) points they have.

 

[Regina]

AU score and CRS score

1.it does not matter. 2. there is a link in my quote. You may study the AU program yourself.

 

[boske83]

Do not think so. There will be a limit of ITA for each draw. Otherwise they will fill the numbers for 2015 for Economy class in February 2015. If CIC accepts everybody with no matter how high (or low) points they have.

hehe not sure what you are suggestion... they have said following:
"if the lowest CRS score we will send ITA under current draw is 449, then we will send ITA to all candidates that have 449 score"

it is very clear on http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/draws.asp

 

[mf4361]

Do not think so. There will be a limit of ITA for each draw. Otherwise they will fill the numbers for 2015 for Economy class in February 2015. If CIC accepts everybody with no matter how high (or low) points they have.

Actually @boske83 is right. All candidates with the cutoff score gets ITA. E.g. In a particular draw, the cutoff is 563 points, then everyone with 563 points will get ITA. Those who got 562 or below will not get ITA.

 

[Regina]

then everyone with 563 points will get ITA. Those who got 562 or below will not get ITA.

So you think that by fall 2015 they will get enough EE immigrants? If there are NO limits for ITA for every draw? You are wrong then

"These instructions will include:

•the date and time of the draw,
•the number of candidates that will get an ITA, -- so there is LIMIT for each draw.•if it applies, which specific immigration program(s) will be included in the draw. - there even could be such a limit if the draw is only for CEC or only for PNP.And onlly :
If the instructions do not specify which immigration program the candidates must be eligible for, the draw will be based on the Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) score."

 

[cecandconfused]

So you think that by fall 2015 they will get enough EE immigrants? If there are NO limits for ITA for every draw?

There will be limits for each draw. But the limit dictates the cut-off score not the other way around. So for instance:
CIC decides to send 3000 ITAs in a draw. The system surveys the current pool and selects the top 3000 candidates in the pool. The lowest score of the person who got the ITA is therefore the cut-off score.

 

[mf4361]

I didn't say ITA has no limit. CIC has a target aspirant for each program. And cutoff will be depend on supply and demand of ITA.

For example,
CIC wants to give 4000 ITAs (let say) for the whole pool. Then the EE system look at the pool and determines:
Top 3932 candidates has 564 or above
Top 4039 candidates has 563 or above

Then CIC will set the cutoff at 563 and give 4039 ITAs. (As oppose to the higher 564 points and yields less ITA than target)

It's just the way CIC handle ties at cutoff points. The cutoff itself is determined separately.

Add:
Statistically, in a large pool, there can't be too many ties in the range of scores, so the ITAs they ended out giving out shouldn't too far away from their original target.

 

[boske83]

I didn't say ITA has no limit. CIC has a target aspirant for each program. And cutoff will be depend on supply and demand of ITA.

For example,
CIC wants to give 4000 ITAs (let say) for the whole pool. Then the EE system look at the pool and determines:
Top 3932 candidates has 564 or above
Top 4039 candidates has 563 or above

Then CIC will set the cutoff at 563 and give 4039 ITAs. (As oppose to the higher 564 points and yields less ITA)

It's just the way CIC handle ties at cutoff points. The cutoff itself is determined separately.

Yep, that is exactly how it will work...

 

[Regina]

Then CIC will set the cutoff at 563 and give 4039 ITAs

OK, let's assume the target for 2014 is 2000 for a draw, total 2000 x 24 draws= 48 000.
And if there are 3000 with 563 (or any other cut-off score) in the pool in any draw? Then all of 3000 will be getting ITA in each draw, and by September the target of 48000 for a whole year will be reached?

 

[mf4361]

And it there are 6000 with 563 in the pool? Then all 6000 will get ITA, and by September the target of 48000 for a whole year will be reached?

I just added a line on my earlier post.

"Statistically, in a large pool, there can't be too many ties in the range of scores, so the ITAs they ended out giving out shouldn't too far away from their original target."

I think this is why CRS is designed to have 1200 points, to avoid too many ties. Unlike the old FSWP point system, where a tie doesn't matter as long as one get >=67. Here, too many tie scores actually messes up CIC with their target applicants.

 

[boske83]

OK, let's assume the target for 2014 is 2000 for a draw, total 2000 x 24 draws= 48 000.
And if there are 3000 with 563 (or any other cut-off score) in the pool in any draw? Then all of 3000 will be getting ITA in each draw, and by September the target of 48000 for a whole year will be reached?

Well, CIC knows structure of the pool, and also have exclusive right to add additional requirements to the draw....
So - i am more than positive that a tie score cannot affect more than 50 people... ever... Č=

 

[Regina]

What do you mean under TIES?