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Got oath letter BUT Outside Canada with expired PR. Plz help

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Easy, check CIC website

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=605&t=10

A couple of clicks would give you the answer...
 

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Since you just applied a year ago (presumably with 3 years of physical presence) and didn't leave Canada until 3-4 months ago, it seems that you probably have been in Canada for at least 2 out of the last 5 years. If so, you are not in breach of your PR Residency Obligation and are still a current PR.

In order to take the oath, one needs to be a current PR and not be in breach of their PR Residency obligation. As others have said, the PR card is irrelevant. An applicant who appears to have not met their PR residency obligation will be flagged by CBSA at the border (even if entering from US by private car). They will be allowed to enter Canada, but the CIC will not allow them to take the oath until their PR status is resolved.
 

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screech339 said:
In a strictest sense of the word, PR card is not a travel document. Not by itself. You cannot enter another country or Canada with a PR card alone. You need a travel document to go along with your PR card to re-enter Canada. In other words, you need a passport (travel document) to enter Canada. You can legally enter Canada with a passport without a PR card. But you won't be able to enter Canada with a PR card without a passport or travel document.
Nonsense.
I did enter Canada via land 100+ times by showing ONLY my PR Card. Actually I used to hand to the CBSA officer at the border my passport and valid PR card and was told that only valid PR card is needed. Since then, I only present PR card and always been admitted back to Canada.
I suggest you go to nearest land border and do the same.
Restraint from giving wrong advise.
 

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arambi said:
Nonsense.
I did enter Canada via land 100+ times by showing ONLY my PR Card. Actually I used to hand to the CBSA officer at the border my passport and valid PR card and was told that only valid PR card is needed. Since then, I only present PR card and always been admitted back to Canada.
I suggest you go to nearest land border and do the same.
Restraint from giving wrong advise.
Try to get on a board of a plane when you travel to Canada without passport and then see the verdict.
 
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arambi

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besho said:
I think entering Canada through US will be easier and faster But they are saying that I have to travel by a private car. What do they mean by a private car. How come I can have my private car and I am outside Canada? Can a friend of mine collect me by his private car?
Besho,
Listen to me carefully, because I've been in a similar situation.

1-) Having the USA visitor visa is a big PLUS in your situation. This allows you to avoid the hassle of going to Canadian Embassy to get 1 entry visa

2-) Fly to the USA and then either (a) have a friend pick you up at the airport or (b) rent a car; both qualifies as NON commercial transportation. It's better to have a friend pick you up with a vehicle with Canada license plate (to avoid a lot of questions around rental car at the border)

3-) Have your passport, Landing document and Expired PR card ready. Have your air flight tickets showing when you left the country and the ones you used for your return trip.
Be very careful what you say to the CBSA officer at the border.
Good Luck !!!
 

arambi

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MUFC said:
Try to get on a board of a plane when you travel to Canada without passport and then see the verdict.
MUFC,

This is the post I was responding to:
"In a strictest sense of the word, PR card is not a travel document. Not by itself. You cannot enter another country or Canada with a PR card alone. You need a travel document to go along with your PR card to re-enter Canada. In other words, you need a passport (travel document) to enter Canada. You can legally enter Canada with a passport without a PR card. But you won't be able to enter Canada with a PR card without a passport or travel document."

There is no mention of entering Canada by air. It just says "You cannot enter another country or Canada with a PR card alone"

I made it clear that I entered Canada 100+ times by Land with PR card only.

You need to learn to carefully read the post before posting stupid answers
 

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But when you exited you have had a passport.

Please break it down for stupid people like me to understand

ROLF ;D ;D ;D
 
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This used to be valid for US-Canada border till Septemebr 11 happend. Sorry no more passing border without a PASSPORT. You need a passport to be able to pass the border.

arambi said:
Nonsense.
I did enter Canada via land 100+ times by showing ONLY my PR Card. Actually I used to hand to the CBSA officer at the border my passport and valid PR card and was told that only valid PR card is needed. Since then, I only present PR card and always been admitted back to Canada.
I suggest you go to nearest land border and do the same.
Restraint from giving wrong advise.
 

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dpenabill said:
For clarification:

In the strict sense, technically the PR card is indeed a Travel Document, actually that is precisely what it is, a Travel Document, even though it is a Travel Document with very limited validity, which is to say it is only recognized as a valid Travel Document by Canada (well, there may be some countries which recognize it as such, but it is not generally recognized as a TD outside Canada). That said, many agencies in Canada (federal and provincial) recognize the PR card as proof of immigration status in Canada.

BTW: in the dozens of times I returned to Canada while I was a PR, I never once presented any additional documentation at the POE, only my PR card. The border officers have discretion to ask for additional documentation, including in particular additional identification, including passports. Since the PR card is only recognized by Canada, PRs traveling outside Canada necessarily must be in possession of some other Travel Document, which usually (except in private land crossings with the U.S.) means a passport. So border officers know the PR returning to Canada must be in possession of such other Travel Document and it would not be unusual to require the traveler to present it . . . but, as I said, in dozens of times returning to Canada, I only presented my PR card and I was never asked for anything more.



As most of us here have posted, it is correct that the expired PR card does not mean PR has expired.

But it is not true that a PR abroad without a currently valid PR card can just to to the nearest Canadian embassy and immediately be issued a "visa."

In fact, as most others have pointed out, what the PR abroad needs to board commercial transportation destined for Canada is a PR Travel Document, which is indeed obtained at the nearest Canadian embassy, but which must be applied for and, given the presumption that in the absence of a valid PR card there is a presumption the individual does not have valid PR status, that application needs to be accompanied by proof of compliance with the PR residency obligation. And it usually takes a significant period of time to process, many days at minimum in most embassies.
So basically a PR card is a LIMITED travel document. But not truly a travel document like a passport has. If it was truly a travel document, one can fly to Canada with a PR card only. But we all know you can't do that.

So I go with the the premise that a PR card is a travel document but a limited one at that.
 

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screech339 said:
So basically a PR card is a LIMITED travel document. But not truly a travel document like a passport has. If it was truly a travel document, one can fly to Canada with a PR card only. But we all know you can't do that.

So I go with the the premise that a PR card is a travel document but a limited one at that.
That's Correct.
 
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arambi

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MUFC said:
But when you exited you have had a passport.

Please break it down for stupid people like me to understand

ROLF ;D ;D ;D
MUFC,
You don't have the expose your IGNORANCE all the times... believe me it's not fun going through your senseless postings...
We are NOT talking about the requirements to EXIT Canada. We are talking about the requirements to ENTER Canada.

take some time, think and post.
 

MUFC

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MUFC,
You don't have the expose your IGNORANCE all the times... believe me it's not fun going through your senseless postings...
We are NOT talking about the requirements to EXIT Canada. We are talking about the requirements to ENTER Canada.

take some time, think and post.
Keep in mind that I have a certificate that prove that I am the most stupid creature in the Universe. At least I am first in that competition.

Now lets break it down...

How can you complete the cycle Exit/Entry without the possession of a passport?
 
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Sounds to me like MUFC is a troll... should get an award for the most unhelpful and arrogant comments / posts. I suppose the nuisance factor is something we all have to deal with on a free forum like this.