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[Islander216]

A 25 year old unmarried guy from india will have 80 points on australia points test if he or she does his diploma from australia from a regional school. At 80, you can immigrate in many professions.

You can't, check the draws for occupations. You have no chance with 80 points.

I'm sorry but you guys are talking about stuff and it's clear you've not put in the research.

 

[Islander216]

Well, if you look at the green card cap in the US, they can't prioritize occupations with the most demand, then there's mismatch between total immigration target and market demand etc. The 7% is also more of a legacy feature that they're trying to get rid of.
Let's say IRCC set a cap, so what is the number? Is it province dependent? Is it changed yearly? How do you remove the cap in a few years if you realized you don't have enough immigrants? What kind of signal would a per country cap send to a generation of potential immigrants that might change whether they feel confident of immigrating even if the cap is removed in the future due to immigration shortage? I think the real world is complicated, and a simple and straightfoward government mandate is probably going to be inefficient and backfire somewhere.

The idea is less opportunity for local students->people call rabble rabble->government keeps the public institutes in check for votes. I do think that the current system "benefits" a lot of people that breaks this. Landlords collect more rent, your daily Tim Hortons gets cheaper, and few local wanted to attend Queen's College in Toronto anyways. Sadly, people will notice the increasing exotic faces, and pin the blame on new immigrants.

I just hear excuses.

Not everything is about labour shortages, and there are no serious enough concerns that they can't be address with sound policies.

These are just excuses to keep this unsustainable system in place, and have no limits on immigration, and just let everyone in and ruin the country.

I'm not buying it for a second, nor are most people who know what the situation is.

We can always experiment and fine tune over time, and figure out the kinks. But saying this is tough to solve so let's do nothing makes no sense. Those are the sentiments of people who don't want to fix the problem.

 

[Alysson]

I don't see a nice way in which millions of them and their families (and some with even pets!!!!) are going to be out. CBSA will have a busy few years.

Meh, it’s already hard for someone in status to make a living. Being out of status where you only get shit jobs, have no chance for a PR anymore and can’t use the benefits. They will probably give up sooner or later. Sucks for the pets though.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Meh, it’s already hard for someone in status to make a living. Being out of status where you only get shit jobs, have no chance for a PR anymore and can’t use the benefits. They will probably give up sooner or later. Sucks for the pets though.

True. Canada will just make them self-deport themselves. Either that or they get into illegal occupations. Or you could hop across the border

 

[GandiBaat]

Could be those young blokes, might have such high score, if they have worked 18 months in Australia for the occupation they studied in. Australia immigration counts them and lets them only migrate in the occupation they studied. For generic occupation like IT the PR qualification ceiling is 90 points or so often ensuring very few qualify other applicants stay for years without being chosen.

I had assumed language proficiency at "Proficient". A "superior" competency (8.0 IELTS on ALL modules) can easily bring points to 90.

IT is also a degree requiring profession. So extra points for degree (I only calculated for Diploma).

 

[GandiBaat]

You can't, check the draws for occupations. You have no chance with 80 points.

I'm sorry but you guys are talking about stuff and it's clear you've not put in the research.

Read above.

Here are points :

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/departmental-forms/online-forms/points-calculator

Also remember, age bracket for Australia is highest for 25-33. Unlike Canada where it caps at 30. I have chosen only a diploma for points. If one takes a degree and works for 2 years they will have more points.

And you, my dear, may not be aware of, but I have or rather had australian PR too. I merely chose Canada.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

What this stupid government needs to do is change the criteria for the PGWP, to make it more difficult to get so it drives down demand from the punjabi lambdas.

Probably, 90% of people in this forum could craft better immigration policy. But Provincial governments and Feds are equally complicit in this

 

[GandiBaat]

Aussies seem pretty smart. I guess not many of them migrate out like in Canada, consequently, politicians are more competent. They get to keep their talent at home. I guess who would wanna move to a shit hole like the US (speculating that that's how Aussies see the US). It's quite evident with their salaries 10k higher on average than in Canada.

Australia also does not have good jobs. Atleast in IT/CS. Being near to US pays a lot.

 

[GandiBaat]

Could be those young blokes, might have such high score, if they have worked 18 months in Australia for the occupation they studied in. Australia immigration counts them and lets them only migrate in the occupation they studied. For generic occupation like IT the PR qualification ceiling is 90 points or so often ensuring very few qualify other applicants stay for years without being chosen.
Employer Sponsorship helps folks to get chosen in a couple of years but these days those are also taking too long. the bigger problem is shifting employers. Australia has become a mini version of USA now, job quotas instead of country quotas. HealthCare in the only occupation where folks can still get in with score like 70.
Personally I did the mistake of going back to IT and not sticking with my MBA quals, suffered for 4 years in silent abeyance. I had to move employers after my first employer backtracked on sponsorship after the Leadership which was favorable to me changed. I felt hopeless moved employers then left as I didn't want to age out for Canada also. 7 years of Aussie life.

I have had an Australian PR. Never went there because their employers were shit and I love winter.

Look at my chart above.

Also remember, Australia give max point for age from 25-33. So spending time outside of australia can also increase your points.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

I have had an Australian PR. Never went there because their employers were shit and I love winter.

Look at my chart above.

Also remember, Australia give max point for age from 25-33. So spending time outside of australia can also increase your points.

Main con of Australia is that you have to live with Australians

 

[Islander216]

Read above.

Here are points :

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/departmental-forms/online-forms/points-calculator

Also remember, age bracket for Australia is highest for 25-33. Unlike Canada where it caps at 30. I have chosen only a diploma for points. If one takes a degree and works for 2 years they will have more points.

And you, my dear, may not be aware of, but I have or rather had australian PR too. I merely chose Canada.

You're not registering what I'm saying.

You can get 80 points, but my point is 80 points will not be enough for you to qualify for most occupations.

Australia conducts occupation specific draws, and each occupation is subject to an occupation ceiling.

So they will conduct a draw of X number of people in Y occupation subject to Z ceiling. Many times, that Z number will keep the draws very competitive. For example that Z number could be 1,000 people for an entire year, and they choose how many invitations they provide for a given draw. Because of that, most people under a certain score will not have a chance, because if you have many candidates which are 100+ and you're only 80, and there are only 1,000 invites for your occupation annually, you really have no hope of qualifying.

Now some occupations do have high occupation ceilings but even then, because they control when and how much they invite, they can keep the score high. In fact, Canada has adapted their new system from Australia.

You can check some of the posts from people in this thread who studied in Australia and could not qualify, and ended up coming to Canada.

I remember you're an Australian PR, but it's not as simple as you're making it out to be, and the system has changed a lot because of how immigration was becoming unpopular in Australia due to overcrowding in the big cities.

 

[GandiBaat]

Main con of Australia is that you have to live with Australians

Not to mention "other kinds of Australian inhabitants".

Do you know the scare of seeing a Huntsman behind your curtain, suddenly moving over your arm? I have and no horror movie can beat it!

 

[Lord_Tony]

I had assumed language proficiency at "Proficient". A "superior" competency (8.0 IELTS on ALL modules) can easily bring points to 90.

IT is also a degree requiring profession. So extra points for degree (I only calculated for Diploma).

True, however sadly most IT degrees don't guarantee IT jobs. Even worse often the most IT employer(s) expectation is the grad/post-grad must join at Analyst roles with low pay is like 50k. A pay like that is not good to self sustain let alone support a family like mine. If one is under 30 they might survive with that pay. Those like me who had loads of experience prior can try getting into their old line of work to survive.
Very few fresh IT graduates make it into IT roles / later PR. As a hiring manager what I have seen is most of those who take those analyst jobs are spouses/partners of existing PR, are switching stream to IT for future potential money, and are ok to take entry level IT jobs as the spouse is already earning in a good or driving a Cab . There also a lot of them claim false abroad experience, lack of which shows when they start working.

 

[Lord_Tony]

Not to mention "other kinds of Australian inhabitants".

Do you know the scare of seeing a Huntsman behind your curtain, suddenly moving over your arm? I have and no horror movie can beat it!

The Huntsman are not that common believe me, the worst are the small spiders e.g. Funnel-web which look like a regular Wall spider but a sting can send you to Paradise. Snakes on the other hand are more common though, I have seen many in parks on Lawns etc..

 

[Lord_Tony]

I had assumed language proficiency at "Proficient". A "superior" competency (8.0 IELTS on ALL modules) can easily bring points to 90.

IT is also a degree requiring profession. So extra points for degree (I only calculated for Diploma).

Not for one who is 45 in 2024