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[iSaidGoodDay]

I don't see a nice way in which millions of them and their families (and some with even pets!!!!) are going to be out. CBSA will have a busy few years.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

I don't see a nice way in which millions of them and their families (and some with even pets!!!!) are going to be out. CBSA will have a busy few years.

Apparently 60% of people out of status stay illegally.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Apparently 60% of people out of status stay illegally.

Where did you find this? Whenever I search, nothing shows up for overstays. Google search results is full of visa rejection stats in my case.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Bro, you’re a complete hypocrite. You’re okay with pointing out issues and problems with Canada and Canadians but when someone points out genuine problems with the Indian community and India, you and the other guy get hyper defensive. Indians pointing out genuine problems within our own community is not self hatred. How do you expect things to improve if you don’t call out bad stuff? Everyone can see the irony over here.

You believe that we, as Indians are exempt from criticism?

Just to re-iterate, if I say "Canada is shithole and India isn't" - I'd be a hypocrite. I didn't say that. I am lost on how to make it any easy for you.

When we saw Canada claims to have credible intelligence, my reaction wasn't to dismiss it completely. If I did that, I'd be a hypocrite. I wrote not too long ago that law above everything is what I support and countries should follow due process. Where am I super defensive? You need to stop using hyperboles.

See, either you don't want to understand, or you are just trolling here. See, I don't want to get personal with you on these as it is a mistake I made in past with someone on the forum, and I'd not like to repeat it.

You do need to understand that I don't hate you. I just hate the idea of generalization/dead-naming as this has far reaching consequences than what you seem to understand. Maybe you are too young to have seen these things yet. I don't know why extremely simpler things are too complicated for you to understand.

We(Indians) are right in a BAD spot. It isn't like we voted for the government to go and kill that terrorist. We had no say in it and It has long term issues for us. You need to understand that where I'm coming from. To most people even after my Canadian citizenship I'll still be an Indian. That's undeniable. Now, unnecessary hyperboles won't help someone like me in the long term. Imagine having to leave a country where I built my new life simply because it is building hate towards my skin color, religion, etc based on:
1. lambdas, deltas, thetas, etc
2. self-hating immigrants who paint the wrong picture
3. right wing losers who will use #1 and #2 both

Again, no defense here at all.

 

[GandiBaat]

Apparently 60% of people out of status stay illegally.

Its not easy for an out of status person to stay in Canada. Entire financial and medical system is hostile towards out of status folks.

Try renewing your WP and the delays used to bump you off the provincial health insurance. Getting health services without provincial cover gets expresnive fast.

 

[Maria Odette]

What this stupid government needs to do is change the criteria for the PGWP, to make it more difficult to get so it drives down demand from the punjabi lambdas.

 

[Islander216]

Not really. Australia has pretty straight forward process too. But Australia does not allow students to fake their way in and also does not allow diploma mills to operate. That is uniquely Canadian. There is a major problem in Canada around allowing lying students in. The checks and balances are just not there.

This is not true at all, many students who have studied and worked in Australia still can't qualify for PR. Their system is much more restrictive, and they have the concept of occupation ceilings.

 

[GandiBaat]

What this stupid government needs to do is change the criteria for the PGWP, to make it more difficult to get so it drives down demand from the punjabi lambdas.

Best is to solve the problem at the root. Do not allow anyone to operate a diploma mill unless they meet the criteria of a real DLI. Limit number of private franchise allowed.

 

[Islander216]

IMHO a visa cap sounds like another inefficient government move.
How does these "Lambton Colleges" work anyway? Aren't they publicly funded to be on the DLI? Wouldn't the local government complain with funding if they accepted too many international students?
Maybe its a 4d chess move. Issue many TRVs and then 3 years later BAM no more CEC.

How is that inefficient? It's literally the easiest and most direct way to reduce the demand for housing and overcrowding.

Why would the local government complain? More lucrative tuition means relying less on funding from all levels of government.

 

[GandiBaat]

This is not true at all, many students who have studied and worked in Australia still can't qualify for PR. Their system is much more restrictive, and they have the concept of occupation ceilings.

A 25 year old unmarried guy from india will have 80 points on australia points test if he or she does his diploma from australia from a regional school. At 80, you can immigrate in many professions.

 

[GandiBaat]

How is that inefficient? It's literally the easiest and most direct way to reduce the demand for housing and overcrowding.

No. Those who are here are not going to go away immediately. Plus the biggest cause of issue here is growing rents. A lot of that growth is coming from rising mortgage cost. This is causing people to evict tenants and ask absolutly high rents. Remember, students coming from India are not very rich and spend a lot on tution anyways, they don't have massive pockets to afford sky high rents.

 

[Lord_Tony]

A 25 year old unmarried guy from india will have 80 points on australia points test if he or she does his diploma from australia from a regional school. At 80, you can immigrate in many professions.

Could be those young blokes, might have such high score, if they have worked 18 months in Australia for the occupation they studied in. Australia immigration counts them and lets them only migrate in the occupation they studied. For generic occupation like IT the PR qualification ceiling is 90 points or so often ensuring very few qualify other applicants stay for years without being chosen.
Employer Sponsorship helps folks to get chosen in a couple of years but these days those are also taking too long. the bigger problem is shifting employers. Australia has become a mini version of USA now, job quotas instead of country quotas. HealthCare in the only occupation where folks can still get in with score like 70.
Personally I did the mistake of going back to IT and not sticking with my MBA quals, suffered for 4 years in silent abeyance. I had to move employers after my first employer backtracked on sponsorship after the Leadership which was favorable to me changed. I felt hopeless moved employers then left as I didn't want to age out for Canada also. 7 years of Aussie life.

 

[Hopeful007]

Could be those young blokes, might have such high score, if they have worked 18 months in Australia for the occupation they studied in. Australia immigration counts them and lets them only migrate in the occupation they studied. For generic occupation like IT the PR qualification ceiling is 90 points or so often ensuring very few qualify other applicants stay for years without being chosen.
Employer Sponsorship helps folks to get chosen in a couple of years but these days those are also taking too long. the bigger problem is shifting employers. Australia has become a mini version of USA now, job quotas instead of country quotas. HealthCare in the only occupation where folks can still get in with score like 70.
Personally I did the mistake of going back to IT and not sticking with my MBA quals, suffered for 4 years in silent abeyance. I had to move employers after my first employer backtracked on sponsorship after the Leadership which was favorable to me changed. I felt hopeless moved employers then left as I didn't want to age out for Canada also. 7 years of Aussie life.

Aussies seem pretty smart. I guess not many of them migrate out like in Canada, consequently, politicians are more competent. They get to keep their talent at home. I guess who would wanna move to a shit hole like the US (speculating that that's how Aussies see the US). It's quite evident with their salaries 10k higher on average than in Canada.

 

[qdee]

How is that inefficient? It's literally the easiest and most direct way to reduce the demand for housing and overcrowding.

Why would the local government complain? More lucrative tuition means relying less on funding from all levels of government.

Well, if you look at the green card cap in the US, they can't prioritize occupations with the most demand, then there's mismatch between total immigration target and market demand etc. The 7% is also more of a legacy feature that they're trying to get rid of.
Let's say IRCC set a cap, so what is the number? Is it province dependent? Is it changed yearly? How do you remove the cap in a few years if you realized you don't have enough immigrants? What kind of signal would a per country cap send to a generation of potential immigrants that might change whether they feel confident of immigrating even if the cap is removed in the future due to immigration shortage? I think the real world is complicated, and a simple and straightfoward government mandate is probably going to be inefficient and backfire somewhere.

The idea is less opportunity for local students->people call rabble rabble->government keeps the public institutes in check for votes. I do think that the current system "benefits" a lot of people that breaks this. Landlords collect more rent, your daily Tim Hortons gets cheaper, and few local wanted to attend Queen's College in Toronto anyways. Sadly, people will notice the increasing exotic faces, and pin the blame on new immigrants.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Well, if you look at the green card cap in the US, they can't prioritize occupations with the most demand, then there's mismatch between total immigration target and market demand etc. The 7% is also more of a legacy feature that they're trying to get rid of.
Let's say IRCC set a cap, so what is the number? Is it province dependent? Is it changed yearly? How do you remove the cap in a few years if you realized you don't have enough immigrants? What kind of signal would a per country cap send to a generation of potential immigrants that might change whether they feel confident of immigrating even if the cap is removed in the future due to immigration shortage? I think the real world is complicated, and a simple and straightfoward government mandate is probably going to be inefficient and backfire somewhere.

The idea is less opportunity for local students->people call rabble rabble->government keeps the public institutes in check for votes. I do think that the current system "benefits" a lot of people that breaks this. Landlords collect more rent, your daily Tim Hortons gets cheaper, and few local wanted to attend Queen's College in Toronto anyways. Sadly, people will notice the increasing exotic faces, and pin the blame on new immigrants.

Mature take there. Caps are more or less politically motivated too. We've a quality of threshold problem as opposed to a cap problem right now - be it with:
1. Language skills -> PR route
2. Diploma mills -> PR route

Both above bring horrible labour force to Canada tbh as neither ensures quality as a bar. Maybe Canada needs low skilled labour and there's no easy path to bring them here and #1 and #2 actually serves the purpose, who knows!