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[imransyed]

The biggest benefactors of the student visa program and TFW program are McDonalds, Tims and Walmarts. People working in these businesses have barely seen any wage growth because they’re easily replaceable by an endless stream of students and TFWs. They also have the least incentive to automate or innovate because they have easy access to cheap labour. It’s awful for the local working class population and the students who come in.

Canadian Govt does not advertise but Canadian colleges and universities are public institutions and they send teams to India to talk to high schools, Jr. colleges and education consultants. How do I know this? Because when I was in high school in Mumbai, India, University of Waterloo sent their marketing and sales team to my school. I checked with friends from other schools and the same team apparently went all over town marketing their university and Canada.
Now UoW doing this is fine, but even then they were nudging the immigrant friendly policies of Canada. So yes, not directly but Canadian Govt. does do marketing of immigration around the world.
Btw, this was back in 2009.
Education consultants get commission from these colleges for every student they enrol. This is a fact. York U is the new player in town, this I know from extremely personal experience. Highest commission per admit apparently, they are building a new building in Markham, GTA. Does the govt not know about this? They absolutely do.
But in the end, its the unassuming TFW whose life gets destroyed and sadly no matter how much "who's to blame" fixes that. I also agree that these tiktok influencers have really distorted the reality.

Canada is the land of oligopolies. TFWs are to suppress wages. Innovation and advancement does not feel like a general ambition here, like you said, but I feel this is by design. There is no lack of funds or incentive. There is an absolute lack of intent.
Profitability "now" is supreme. Employers have tasted blood, and they have the pockets to lobby and keep the flow going. The fault of lack of innovation does not fall on newcomers, but on corporates and the government again. I guess this is what Capitalism is after all.

I share your views on minimum wage workers "costing" the government more than higher earners. But the system right now is moving towards lowering the general quality of life to make Canadian oligopolies perpetually profitable while making sure insane asset prices are sustained forever. Voters (boomers, small business owners) are happy and corpos are happy. Rest of the country becomes poorer. Middle class is lost. A bubble or a pyramid scheme basically forms that breaks down if immigration inflow slows or stops.

Edit: KenshiMK1 said it better.

 

[imransyed]

At the same time, I feel bad when I read posts from someone like @imransyed who very clearly regrets his decision to come to Canada. The worst part is there is absolutely nothing I can advise that will fix the situation.

Well actually, thank you for not advising. Thank you for not telling me to "just move to Alberta or Sask."
And thank you for seeing that the Canada you as an immigrant came to in 2015 is long gone. Many refuse to see this for one reason or the other.
How often are you blamed for "pulling up the ladder behind you"?

 

[abhiram.kumar]

Canadian Govt does not advertise but Canadian colleges and universities are public institutions and they send teams to India to talk to high schools, Jr. colleges and education consultants. How do I know this? Because when I was in high school in Mumbai, India, University of Waterloo sent their marketing and sales team to my school. I checked with friends from other schools and the same team apparently went all over town marketing their university and Canada.
Now UoW doing this is fine, but even then they were nudging the immigrant friendly policies of Canada. So yes, not directly but Canadian Govt. does do marketing of immigration around the world.
Btw, this was back in 2009.
Education consultants get commission from these colleges for every student they enrol. This is a fact. York U is the new player in town, this I know from extremely personal experience. Highest commission per admit apparently, they are building a new building in Markham, GTA. Does the govt not know about this? They absolutely do.
But in the end, its the unassuming TFW whose life gets destroyed and sadly no matter how much "who's to blame" fixes that. I also agree that these tiktok influencers have really distorted the reality.

Canada is the land of oligopolies. TFWs are to suppress wages. Innovation and advancement does not feel like a general ambition here, like you said, but I feel this is by design. There is no lack of funds or incentive. There is an absolute lack of intent.
Profitability "now" is supreme. Employers have tasted blood, and they have the pockets to lobby and keep the flow going. The fault of lack of innovation does not fall on newcomers, but on corporates and the government again. I guess this is what Capitalism is after all.

I share your views on minimum wage workers "costing" the government more than higher earners. But the system right now is moving towards lowering the general quality of life to make Canadian oligopolies perpetually profitable while making sure insane asset prices are sustained forever. Voters (boomers, small business owners) are happy and corpos are happy. Rest of the country becomes poorer. Middle class is lost. A bubble or a pyramid scheme basically forms that breaks down if immigration inflow slows or stops.

Edit: KenshiMK1 said it better.

Oligopolies won’t be profitable any longer when you wipe out the purchasing power of 60-80% of the population . It’s a catch 22 situation for them. Like I said before and like several economists have said before, if a country reaches a point where a significant percentage of its population spends 60 to 70% of their paycheque on housing, it will lead to economic destruction. Why? All western economies are consumer economies. They require people to buy crap. The moment that stops, they will collapse. I’m pretty sure the Canadian government has already been warned about what this could cause if it were to be allowed to get worse. Entire industries could collapse in Canada. The economically illiterate boomers and Canadians who fantasize about being paper rich have zero knowledge about the economic consequences.

 

[imransyed]

Oligopolies won’t be profitable any longer when you wipe out the purchasing power of 60-80% of the population . It’s a catch 22 situation for them. Like I said before and like several economists have said before, if a country reaches a point where a significant percentage of its population spends 60 to 70% of their paycheque on housing, it will lead to economic destruction. Why? All western economies are consumer economies. They require people to buy crap. The moment that stops, they will collapse. I’m pretty sure the Canadian government has already been warned about what this could cause if it were to be allowed to get worse. Entire industries could collapse in Canada. The economically illiterate boomers and Canadians who fantasize about being paper rich have zero knowledge about the economic consequences.

Yeah I share the same views. Most house equity millionaires are so so so dumb.

And those realtors and real estate investors on YouTube/tiktok spew crap that makes me question their IQ. These people in general wouldn't be able to hold a decent above median pay jobs in a normal economy! And in Canada they make more than the highest earners here on this forum.
I know this coz I'm living with a millionaire like this one whose kids are all real estate or mortgage agents. Anecdotal yes, but probably not far from reality.

The only reason an engineer or a researcher or a business owner earned less than a house investor with ballooning equity was low interest rates. Rising interest rate is the great equaliser, when the tide recedes, it reveals who was swimming naked all along.
Now the real estate and mortgage agents are jobless but also extremely skill-less. Karma.

I know two business owners as of now. One is owns a restaurant and the other owns a phone repair centre. Restaurant is on verge of bankruptcy despite good number of customers.

Phone repair guy's business is booming.

 

[Lord_Tony]

OINP seem to have messed up, I hear they have sent 1000s of NOI in the Job offer stream and have created a ruckus, I have received 5 phone calls in the last 3 days from friends, colleagues, former colleagues who have questions either how they proceed or they have been asked by someone else. I saw posts in FB in the Kubeir group here in forums begging folks on how to get these sponsorship details from ITES employers.
- To those who I spoke with I had to tell sorry as far as I understand that job offer PNP stream is like a employer sponsorship. I know in my company there is a strict no policy from the country HR head on these Province Sponsorships, they have very similar restriction on LMIA also.
- I'm curious to know if any regular F500 or large ITES employer do give employees such sponsorships?
- The reason I ask is, from my experience working 20+ years in these ITES firms I strongly doubt HR/legal/Immigration department personnel in these companies will log into the OINP portal with an employer login and fill in all those details for the sake of an employee. At most they give a letter and try to get away.
I feel OINP is either scamming poor applicants or smoking weed.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Looks like the assault on lamdas is beginning

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/housing-crisis-feds-stick-by-immigration-plan-rethink-international-student-flows-1.6521126

 

[abhiram.kumar]

Looks like the assault on lamdas is beginning

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/housing-crisis-feds-stick-by-immigration-plan-rethink-international-student-flows-1.6521126

I predicted that they would soon go after international students. Their poll numbers are tanking hard and it looks like the conservatives are going to cruise towards a victory. Lol. They would need to slash the temporary migrant numbers by half to at least make a dent in affordability.

 

[primestudio]

OINP seem to have messed up, I hear they have sent 1000s of NOI in the Job offer stream and have created a ruckus, I have received 5 phone calls in the last 3 days from friends, colleagues, former colleagues who have questions either how they proceed or they have been asked by someone else. I saw posts in FB in the Kubeir group here in forums begging folks on how to get these sponsorship details from ITES employers.
- To those who I spoke with I had to tell sorry as far as I understand that job offer PNP stream is like a employer sponsorship. I know in my company there is a strict no policy from the country HR head on these Province Sponsorships, they have very similar restriction on LMIA also.
- I'm curious to know if any regular F500 or large ITES employer do give employees such sponsorships?
- The reason I ask is, from my experience working 20+ years in these ITES firms I strongly doubt HR/legal/Immigration department personnel in these companies will log into the OINP portal with an employer login and fill in all those details for the sake of an employee. At most they give a letter and try to get away.
I feel OINP is either scamming poor applicants or smoking weed.

Most Canadian based F500 (big banks/insurance) in my experience aren't prepared for this this kind of situation as they always assumed that most people working would be able to get PR on their own - that has been the case for the most part. I believe next year is going to be the year where that won't be the case (assuming they don't give yet another PGWP extension policy).

As for HR policies, its a crapshoot to be honest. Smaller established companies may be more lenient than bigger ones - I know a case where an employer didn't want to sponsor LMIA (he needed it due to age) but he was able to get himself an LMIA by getting hired through a consultancy and getting contracted to his own team, so kept his job as is). I don't know the legality of it but I heard some director in that particular big 5 may have pulled some shady stuff under the table against their own HR's policy.

Perhaps, they will stop hiring people with an open work permit.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

OINP seem to have messed up, I hear they have sent 1000s of NOI in the Job offer stream and have created a ruckus, I have received 5 phone calls in the last 3 days from friends, colleagues, former colleagues who have questions either how they proceed or they have been asked by someone else. I saw posts in FB in the Kubeir group here in forums begging folks on how to get these sponsorship details from ITES employers.
- To those who I spoke with I had to tell sorry as far as I understand that job offer PNP stream is like a employer sponsorship. I know in my company there is a strict no policy from the country HR head on these Province Sponsorships, they have very similar restriction on LMIA also.
- I'm curious to know if any regular F500 or large ITES employer do give employees such sponsorships?
- The reason I ask is, from my experience working 20+ years in these ITES firms I strongly doubt HR/legal/Immigration department personnel in these companies will log into the OINP portal with an employer login and fill in all those details for the sake of an employee. At most they give a letter and try to get away.
I feel OINP is either scamming poor applicants or smoking weed.

OINP isn't scamming anyone tbh. These systems shouldn't be designed to give anyone anything. There's a bar to reach a sponsorship. Coming to Ontario specific employers:
I know Docebo, Toronto (https://www.docebo.com/company/recruitment-privacy-policy/) does. Even mid sized companies like Vidyard do it, and most $1mil+ revenue companies that are a part of MaRS would do it. F500s have resources to do it, they just need a very strong reason for doing it as the request is a bit unusual. I personally know 5 professionals who were were offered a sponsorship by employers who used MaRS startup services (who also worked with IRCC during the lovely COVID era).

 

[Lord_Tony]

OINP isn't scamming anyone tbh. These systems shouldn't be designed to give anyone anything. There's a bar to reach a sponsorship. Coming to Ontario specific employers:
I know Docebo, Toronto (https://www.docebo.com/company/recruitment-privacy-policy/) does. Even mid sized companies like Vidyard do it, and most $1mil+ revenue companies that are a part of MaRS would do it. F500s have resources to do it, they just need a very strong reason for doing it as the request is a bit unusual. I personally know 5 professionals who were were offered a sponsorship by employers who used MaRS startup services (who also worked with IRCC during the lovely COVID era).

You are right, I agree the bar for sponsorship must be high because
1) Employer gives a legal commitment for 3 years of future work for the employee. They can't fire him/her except for disciplinary actions.
2) There is so much coordination needed to be done by HR/Legal/immigration departments within the company to enable this sponsorship for an employee. Which they can't for every Tom dick and harry. Definitely not the Lambdas we often talk about in this thread.

From what I understand most other provinces make the employer nominate first or submit the nomination forms, based on which they send the NOI to the employee. What I meant as a scam is OINP sending 1000s of NOI blindly to employees first. Then the employees will struggle with sponsorship documentation. The clever ones will find the catch and not apply. I'm sure some of the lambdas or the less brainy ones who have received NOIs now might pay the fee and then later realize the employer won't sponsor them.

Apart from sponsorship based on merit, let me tell my personal experience,
- One of my customers wanted me to join them. It is a interesting business and had just started on a large program that will go for 5-6 years so I showed interest.
- I worked briefly for one of their VPs who reports to the CIO, he called me a couple of times, after all interviews and they arranged for the final HR discussion.
- The company right from the start told me they will sponsor me for PR in Quebec (CSQ or whatever it is called), after my employer experience I felt that was good.
- I didn't end up joining them because the initial pay they offered me was 50% of my current pay (mine current one is a a decent pay not large) and after a lot of negotiation they went up to 65% of what I make.
- Their reasoning was the pay they offered me was inline with what their M4 who move from their India offices to Montreal are given, they sponsor those employee WP and PR as well. However I'm felt some employers use this sponsorship probably as a mechanism to lowball the pay.

 

[wonderbly]

Hi guys, I need advise. My sister got invited to submit application for PR via express entry. For her proof of funds, I wrote a letter stating that I will provide it to her when she arrives in Canada. Since I am already a PR in Canada I thought it would be easier that way and I also provided my bank statements. However, she got a request stating that she needs to provide an updated personal POF in her name and not in someone else's name (lol), with a transaction history of the related account for the past 6 months and explain all the sources of funds to her account. I have transferred the full PoF to her account now. Is it enough for her to write a letter explaining her source of funds that it was from me. How do we go about this. Any advise will be helpful. Our time is running out.

I'm going to be brutally honest with you: you might have jeopardized your sister's chance to be approved for PR. IRCC expects that all PR applicants be self-reliant and have enough funds to fend for themselves without relying on anyone else as they are supposed to be working professionals with means to earn and contribute to the economy. You should have transferred that money to her account from the get-go, wait 4-6 months and then draw a statement. What you did might be ok for a sponsorship but it's a no-no for a PR primary applicant.

IRCC already knows you are loaning your sister the money so it's technically not hers to keep. They know you are giving her the money to fool them into thinking she has money.

At this point, all you do is respond to the ADR with her PoF explaining that you are gifting her the money, and hope IRCC buys it.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

You are right, I agree the bar for sponsorship must be high because
1) Employer gives a legal commitment for 3 years of future work for the employee. They can't fire him/her except for disciplinary actions.
2) There is so much coordination needed to be done by HR/Legal/immigration departments within the company to enable this sponsorship for an employee. Which they can't for every Tom dick and harry. Definitely not the Lambdas we often talk about in this thread.

From what I understand most other provinces make the employer nominate first or submit the nomination forms, based on which they send the NOI to the employee. What I meant as a scam is OINP sending 1000s of NOI blindly to employees first. Then the employees will struggle with sponsorship documentation. The clever ones will find the catch and not apply. I'm sure some of the lambdas or the less brainy ones who have received NOIs now might pay the fee and then later realize the employer won't sponsor them.

Apart from sponsorship based on merit, let me tell my personal experience,
- One of my customers wanted me to join them. It is a interesting business and had just started on a large program that will go for 5-6 years so I showed interest.
- I worked briefly for one of their VPs who reports to the CIO, he called me a couple of times, after all interviews and they arranged for the final HR discussion.
- The company right from the start told me they will sponsor me for PR in Quebec (CSQ or whatever it is called), after my employer experience I felt that was good.
- I didn't end up joining them because the initial pay they offered me was 50% of my current pay (mine current one is a a decent pay not large) and after a lot of negotiation they went up to 65% of what I make.
- Their reasoning was the pay they offered me was inline with what their M4 who move from their India offices to Montreal are given, they sponsor those employee WP and PR as well. However I'm felt some employers use this sponsorship probably as a mechanism to lowball the pay.

You are right! I failed to factor OINP sending NOIs which are likely to fail and lowballing.

 

[GandiBaat]

There are several groups of Canadians. One group is what you described. They are older folks with properties. They don't want to lose money. They vote for anything that makes their small bungalow cost 1+ mill. Another group is younger folks. They don't see an opportunity to buy a house/condo. The problem is that they don't vote; they raise their frustrations on Reddit.

There is enough labor in Canada. As a matter of fact, there has been a round of layoffs among constructions folks. Many projects are halted because of the increased interest rates.

Well, democracy works for those who vote. If majority is young people and they vote, True-blow will never say "Housing is not a federal concern". He will dare not say that. If you can win elections on young base, all of a sudden you will see land being found and released for one housing project after another.

BTW, look at the house ownership data as well... Canadian, by majority are home owners. It used to be 70% or so in 2011s, I guess it is now in 66% or so. And thats why you win elections by more expensive houses.

Right now, lowering house prices is taboo. You make them lose election on not doing that, you will get cheap housing.

If you think about, one way to solve this problem is to simply flood the country with a lot of young people who get citizenship. To the point oldies can not sway elections. And then flood gates for land and housing will open.

 

[qdee]

So they need more talent not the lambda types

I've seen the word "lambda" tossed around a lot. What type of people does it refer to? Is it a Canadian thing? Urban dictionary didn't help much

 

[navinball]

I've seen the word "lambda" tossed around a lot. What type of people does it refer to? Is it a Canadian thing? Urban dictionary didn't help much

Its canadian for ivy leagues.