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youngnino

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This is what IRCC said (I'll find the other doc that listed FSW and C-19 to go on together later today too):
> In addition, it is important that Canada continues to offer some pathways to attract those with diverse skills, backgrounds and talent among those globally who may wish to emigrate to Canada without previous Canadian work or study experience.
Souce: https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/ircc/documents/pdf/english/media/m44-eng.pdf

FSW will be hard(as is the case with anything that reaches the hype cycle), but it is possible. Don't panic yet! :)
I don't know anymore.My score is 481 and considering the fact that I can't study in Canada (can't get the visa) I'm considering just giving up and going for some European countries. I've already started learning french but TBH it'll take 12-18 months till I reach b2+ level and by then they might not be any fsw invites at all
 

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youngnino

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Thank you,

I read this and it does clearly state that they will also continue inviting based on CRS scores. So that's good to know.
But considering the fact that there is no clear indication on where cutoff scores will balance out, I'm probably going to continue my french in hopes of at least getting A2 so I can get some extra points.
 
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Exactly, it is so ironical and I feel this is the epitome of hypocrisy.

I wish all aspiring immigrants were united and not distributed in CEC/FSW/FST, and would talk to authorities to not stop doing draws like this. Even if they do, they should share some details. I am aware Canada owes us nothing but maybe some respect?

At the end of the day all programs have the same goal to live and work to make Canada better.
We cannot dictate how Canada wants to draw their applicants. Did you really say talking to authorities would help? What authorities? Even if you speak to Trudeau, things won't change. 3 years ago, most of us were shattered when draws stopped, but we just hung in there. Now most of us are in Canada. You just need to be prepared for the changing immigration environment. There is nothing you could do about it.
 

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Is there any chance I can remotely find a job in Canada if I am a finance manager? :'D
Unless you have a work authorization, there is little to no chance of finding a job from outside Canada. But, you can always try applying to jobs, talking to people on LinkedIn. Because you never know what luck you have.
 
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We cannot dictate how Canada wants to draw their applicants. Did you really say talking to authorities would help? What authorities? Even if you speak to Trudeau, things won't change. 3 years ago, most of us were shattered when draws stopped, but we just hung in there. Now most of us are in Canada. You just need to be prepared for the changing immigration environment. There is nothing you could do about it.
110% with you here. We are the ones that have to change. A country can decide INDEPENDENTLY who they wish to bring in or not. That's their choice. All we can do is to adapt. Those who say Canada should "respect" them - they are wrong! They were invited on a temporary VISA with no promise of permanent residency - they should respect the temporary VISA conditions instead. Imagine saying the same thing in other countries (USA? lol) - Canada is exceptionally tolerant.
 

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110% with you here. We are the ones that have to change. A country can decide INDEPENDENTLY who they wish to bring in or not. That's their choice. All we can do is to adapt. Those who say Canada should "respect" them - they are wrong! They were invited on a temporary VISA with no promise of permanent residency - they should respect the temporary VISA conditions instead. Imagine saying the same thing in other countries (USA? lol) - Canada is exceptionally tolerant.
Agree with you - They were invited on a temporary VISA with no promise of permanent residency - they should respect the temporary VISA conditions instead.
 
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Thank you,

I read this and it does clearly state that they will also continue inviting based on CRS scores. So that's good to know.
But considering the fact that there is no clear indication on where cutoff scores will balance out, I'm probably going to continue my french in hopes of at least getting A2 so I can get some extra points.
definitely improve your scores if you can do French. I missed my ITA in 2020 because of 1 point (then lost due to ages for subsequent years) and I started French, 2022 and I was done with French and had a 500+ CRS. I also had other plans layered in if FSW was dead by this time e.g. C-11 or self-employed pathways - had both options open to me.

Now if you are worried, do work on your CRS score with French. Get B2+ if you can, A2 is easy and iirc adds zero to your score if not a max of 3. While you do so, explore other streams (e.g. self employed, start-up visa, province specific immigration schemes for investors, etc). Be ready for what you can. If you aren't getting invite over the next few years, pivot your immigration strategy. Nothing is 100% predictable at the end and adding a plan-B for immigration is always a good strategy.
 
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110% with you here. We are the ones that have to change. A country can decide INDEPENDENTLY who they wish to bring in or not. That's their choice. All we can do is to adapt. Those who say Canada should "respect" them - they are wrong! They were invited on a temporary VISA with no promise of permanent residency - they should respect the temporary VISA conditions instead. Imagine saying the same thing in other countries (USA? lol) - Canada is exceptionally tolerant.
True. I lived in US for a decade and I knew that I am not permanent there. I accepted the reality and moved on.
 

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definitely improve your scores if you can do French. I missed my ITA in 2020 because of 1 point (then lost due to ages for subsequent years) and I started French, 2022 and I was done with French and had a 500+ CRS. I also had other plans layered in if FSW was dead by this time e.g. C-11 or self-employed pathways - had both options open to me.

Now if you are worried, do work on your CRS score with French. Get B2+ if you can, A2 is easy and iirc adds zero to your score if not a max of 3. While you do so, explore other streams (e.g. self employed, start-up visa, province specific immigration schemes for investors, etc). Be ready for what you can. If you aren't getting invite over the next few years, pivot your immigration strategy. Nothing is 100% predictable at the end and adding a plan-B for immigration is always a good strategy.
100% this

I started (seriously) thinking about moving to Canada in very early 2020.
Then Covid happened.
Spent 10 months learning French from complete zero to B2+/C1 (even C2 in listening).
Passed my TCF, got my CRS above 500 points, happy days....
Then no FSW draws for months and months.
I even done my PCC and upfront medical in summer 2021 because I was so sure that FSW will be resumed any day now.
Lost hope in early 2022 and started considering options in the USA, as even immigration lawyer told me that when FSW is resumed, it will take 12+ months for application to be processed.
Re-took my IELTS in June 2022, while also planning to go for E-2 USA visa.
FSW draws were resumed but numbers very low, so I wasn't sure if I would make it (lost 5 points in 2021 due to age and was about to lose another 5 in November 2022).
A couple of weeks before my birthday, got my ITA in October 2022.
Was prepared for at least 6-8 months wait to get COPR but got one within around 10 weeks.
Flight to Vancouver booked for 30th April.

This is my long way of saying that you just can't take anything for granted. If you want to move to Canada, learning French is by far your best option.
But start working also on plan B. When I started considering USA, it reduced my anxiety massively because I suddenly had options.
 

youngnino

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definitely improve your scores if you can do French. I missed my ITA in 2020 because of 1 point (then lost due to ages for subsequent years) and I started French, 2022 and I was done with French and had a 500+ CRS. I also had other plans layered in if FSW was dead by this time e.g. C-11 or self-employed pathways - had both options open to me.

Now if you are worried, do work on your CRS score with French. Get B2+ if you can, A2 is easy and iirc adds zero to your score if not a max of 3. While you do so, explore other streams (e.g. self employed, start-up visa, province specific immigration schemes for investors, etc). Be ready for what you can. If you aren't getting invite over the next few years, pivot your immigration strategy. Nothing is 100% predictable at the end and adding a plan-B for immigration is always a good strategy.
I checked and it adds 1 point per skill. Yeah, my goal is b2+ as it adds tons of points. I currently have a private tutor for 3 days a week (1.5 hours each).
In total, I'm spending 15-20 hours a week on french. However, I started just 2 weeks ago so it's gonna take a long while before I reach b2+.

BTW if you don't mind, how long did it take you to reach your goal in french? How did you go about achieving it? Any tips or resources?
 

youngnino

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100% this

I started (seriously) thinking about moving to Canada in very early 2020.
Then Covid happened.
Spent 10 months learning French from complete zero to B2+/C1 (even C2 in listening).
Passed my TCF, got my CRS above 500 points, happy days....
Then no FSW draws for months and months.
I even done my PCC and upfront medical in summer 2021 because I was so sure that FSW will be resumed any day now.
Lost hope in early 2022 and started considering options in the USA, as even immigration lawyer told me that when FSW is resumed, it will take 12+ months for application to be processed.
Re-took my IELTS in June 2022, while also planning to go for E-2 USA visa.
FSW draws were resumed but numbers very low, so I wasn't sure if I would make it (lost 5 points in 2021 due to age and was about to lose another 5 in November 2022).
A couple of weeks before my birthday, got my ITA in October 2022.
Was prepared for at least 6-8 months wait to get COPR but got one within around 10 weeks.
Flight to Vancouver booked for 30th April.

This is my long way of saying that you just can't take anything for granted. If you want to move to Canada, learning French is by far your best option.
But start working also on plan B. When I started considering USA, it reduced my anxiety massively because I suddenly had options.
Yup, having a plan b is always important. I myself am considering other options, issue is there are few countries that offer PR right out the gate and getting a student visa for someone like me (Iranian) is nigh impossible. My work area is also not really hot like SWE as I work in supply chain so that is also an issue.

BTW any advice on learning french? Any resources you enjoyed?