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iSaidGoodDay

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I checked and it adds 1 point per skill. Yeah, my goal is b2+ as it adds tons of points. I currently have a private tutor for 3 days a week (1.5 hours each).
In total, I'm spending 15-20 hours a week on french. However, I started just 2 weeks ago so it's gonna take a long while before I reach b2+.

BTW if you don't mind, how long did it take you to reach your goal in french? How did you go about achieving it? Any tips or resources?
So, a few things about me:
1. I work excess number of hours each day (day job + side hustles).
2. Had to spend a long time trying to figure out how to consistently learn French even in a busy day.
3. I'm FSW-O from Asia - so not a lot of good french teachers here.

I took 1.5 years in total to reach C1 in all. Missed in a few TEF exams by 5-10 points and had to give again. The wait was primarily because TEF in my city is conducted very infrequently. So, had 3-4 months of delay after each TEF exam. Gave a total of 4 TEFs. First one was all B1. Took a break to understand where I wasn't performing well and took time to give second. Second was two C1s, two B2s (not all B2s lead to 7 CLB!), third was three C1s and one B1 (the person who took my TEF asked me "how much score do you want" and gave me a B1 in speaking. God knows how professional was this evaluator!).

For the last TEF where I got all C1s, I went to a completely different city and gave my exams (given my experience with the last evaluator and their degree of professionalism in assessing my French skills). The person who took my speaking was a native french speaker. Crazy journey though. My third TEF should've easily been all C1s imo.

That's my journey. Regarding my TEF tips and resources, I'll dig into what I had later tonight and share it with you. I think @mushymush's guide is also pretty solid to begin with: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/a-high-level-guide-to-learning-french-from-scratch.784800/

Honestly, everyone should try for French and increase their scores. Not worth waiting on 470s-480s. When we were at 460s - it was assumed to be competitive enough in 2020, just how 480s are in 2022-23. But look at what happened. People who stayed at 460s in 2020 and never improved it are only going to lose scores with age and never become competitive enough.
 

AndyUK

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Yup, having a plan b is always important. I myself am considering other options, issue is there are few countries that offer PR right out the gate and getting a student visa for someone like me (Iranian) is nigh impossible. My work area is also not really hot like SWE as I work in supply chain so that is also an issue.

BTW any advice on learning french? Any resources you enjoyed?
Yeah getting PR straight away was the main benefit for me in comparison to USA. E-2 was an option but it required huge financial commitment and it was very risky. Plus, although you can keep renewing E-2, it will never lead to PR in itself, which was a big downside.

Regarding French - the main thing was having a French tutor (5 sessions per week, 1h each, so similar to you) - I asked her to give me enough homework to do additional 1.5 per day. I was aiming to spend around 2.5h in total every single day (in between work and running a photography business, and working out a lot - basically I sacrificed ALL my spare time for 10 months).
Grammaire progressive du francais is a brilliant book covering all grammar.
I listed to various French podcasts and read French news.
I used a couple of apps to practice conjugating verbs (literally in every spare moment).
Once I got to strong B1/low B2 level, I started practicing a LOT of exams. You tutor may have some, you can also find some free and paid ones online.

This last point is key. I don't think my French was ever above strong B1 (maybe reading around B2+) but I got B2+ in speaking and writing (just 1 point short of C1), C1 in reading, and C2 in listening - this was purely because I practiced exams so much.

BTW - I was preparing for TCF but also took TEF as a backup. Messed up speaking in TEF (B1), the rest was B2+/C1. Personally I found TCF a tiny bit easier but it's mainly down to personal preference.
 

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I also learned French and got an ITA in January. I am 39 years old . So I lost a lot of points on age. I had around 430 points before French and after French I had 490. It took me 1.5 years to learn and I tried everything, group classes, private tutors, books and online resources. I had to take TEF 4 times before I got min CLB 7s. The test is not offered frequently in my country so I flew to Paris FOUR times to take it (I live in Europe). It was a lot of stress and hard work but I think it is worth it. I think immigrants who know French have a better future in Canada anyway, so I think it will be useful for my future beyond just the CRS score. I have continued my weekly French lessons even since the ITA.
 

iSaidGoodDay

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I also learned French and got an ITA in January. I am 39 years old . So I lost a lot of points on age. I had around 430 points before French and after French I had 490. It took me 1.5 years to learn and I tried everything, group classes, private tutors, books and online resources. I had to take TEF 4 times before I got min CLB 7s. The test is not offered frequently in my country so I flew to Paris FOUR times to take it (I live in Europe). It was a lot of stress and hard work but I think it is worth it. I think immigrants who know French have a better future in Canada anyway, so I think it will be useful for my future beyond just the CRS score. I have continued my weekly French lessons even since the ITA.
You are an absolute legend! Also, welcome to the post ITA club (join Jan AOR thread if you are a Jan AOR).
 
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I checked and it adds 1 point per skill. Yeah, my goal is b2+ as it adds tons of points. I currently have a private tutor for 3 days a week (1.5 hours each).
In total, I'm spending 15-20 hours a week on french. However, I started just 2 weeks ago so it's gonna take a long while before I reach b2+.

BTW if you don't mind, how long did it take you to reach your goal in french? How did you go about achieving it? Any tips or resources?
Yeah pretty much what everyone else said. Just to add something here, it's not nearly as difficult as you may think it is at this stage. 15-20 hours a week is a very good start. You can increase that amount by sneaking french into your day to day. For me it was podcasts while driving and at the gym. Added up to easily 1 to 1.5 hours of french ilstening a day.

Don't slack on your lessons. imo, your formal learning is the most important part from an exam perspective. I've detailed everything in my guide (link in signature and in goodday's comment). Do a consistent 20 hours a week and you'll probably be a bit shocked at how much progress you'll make in 6 months.
 

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Please don't learn French guys... :(:(:(
You can use your time to do something better!!!
#StopTheFrench
 
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iSaidGoodDay

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Please don't learn French guys... :(:(:(
You can use your time to do something better!!!
#StopTheFrench
I mean, people can also go C-11, start-up visas, etc. But look at the level of difficulty there. I have a business background with couple already established side-businesses that I can move to Canada, but not everyone has that options.

Also, not everyone here has parents who can put $30k for the student route either. Not sure what you meant by "do something better"?
 

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I don't see anything wrong that's done by Canada. I think most people are entitled and underestimate the true cost of a citizenship. It is ~$500k in most cases. If you are getting it for free just by waiting, why complain so much? Be grateful for it :)
One must understand couple of things.

1. NOT getting invited is perfectly okay. Every country decides whom to take and whom not to take.

2. In "cost of citizenship", you are underestimating the tax generation potential as well. You overall tax potention is in 10s of millions if not more.

3. What CERTAINLY is Canada's fault is FUCKING UP immigration APPLICATION PROCESSING. There they should be criminally liable. Once they take your money, they are BOUND to provide the service for which you HAVE RIGHT. That is, getting your application processed timely. PLEASE be aware, GETTING PR is not a right, getting your application processed in agreed time IS. Had Canada been a private company, they would have been sued out of existance. The only thing saving them is that they are a soverign. Its not just unfare, its fraud and cheating. And they have a history of that.

- They abruptly cancelled FSW in 2013-14 or so. There by throwing out several hundred thousand of applications. And they paid NO fairly decided compensation for that. They did not even bring them into express entry which was launched in 2015. Many applicants waiting lost a lifetime of opportunity to immigrate elsewhere due to this. This is criminal. The only reason they never faced any music of it was because there is NO REAL COURT to punish them. Its like a person mass murdering people in western country and then running away to Russia or Nortb Korea and escaping punishment.

- They mismanaged their immigration processing again in 2020 by MASS processing CEC in as small as 1 month and while making FSW wait for 3 years and more and blaming it all on Covid. The backlogs are their own creation by opening up weird programs like TR2PR for NO darned reason. If COVID is disrrupting your ability to process, why to put additional burden on processing?

So, no, as a foreigner there is NEVER any reason to be thankful to a "country" or "government". These entities are calculating crooks who are beyond ANY recourse of justice. There is NO court which can provide you justice against their misdoings. EVEN a JR can ONLY send your application back to reconsideration by a different agent and nothing more. They set their own laws, they own the courts and they pay the judges too. Treat them as you treat mafia or criminal gangs. With extreme caution. Just because today their actions are benefiting you, never think that tomorrow they will not hose you down.
 

dankboi

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UK is basically a 2nd world country?

What about Canada?

Do you remember Roger outage last year? No phone, no internet, no ATM and they couldn't solve it in two days :)

IRCC processing times? 26months... 2years+ :)

Road qualities? infrastructure? health care system?

The chocolate that I bought in UK for 0.5GBP is 5CAD in Canada :)
Canada to me is a large continent with few people,
i was here when rogers failed, yes it affected me too.
what i like here - wide roads, lots of parks, lots of roads and unmapped trails for a making road trips.
worst tea & coffee i bought for money is from Canada. guess, i, you and anyone at home can prepare the best beverages.
doesn't feel folks here are friendly. Food is expensive, compared to all the countries I've lived and travelled.
regarding chocolates, yes it's true. food was very cheap in UK. To me UK is cheaper, but it's congested. In Canada roads are good, but bad in the cities.

processing times uh
 

dankboi

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https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canada-new-immigrants-citizenship
FIRST READING: Canada is scaring away its new immigrants
With rising numbers of newcomers already planning to move out, many new immigrants aren't bothering to seek citizenship

As Canada ratchets up immigration to the highest levels in its history, surprising new figures from Statistics Canada are showing that nearly half of all recent immigrants are no longer bothering to seek Canadian citizenship.The numbers were publicized this week by the Institute for Canadian Citizenship. And according to the group’s CEO Daniel Bernhard, they may be a sign that the Canadian dream is no longer working out for newcomers.

“What’s changing is that people have decided that they’re less interested in being ‘Team Canada,’” Bernhard said in a statement, adding that the figures are a “wake up” call to the Canadian immigrant experience is treating new arrivals.

In 2021, of the permanent residents who had come to Canada within the last 10 years, just 45.7 per cent had become citizens. In 2001, that figure was 75.1 per cent.

It’s not the first time that evidence has emerged to show that new immigrants are not as enthralled with Canada as in prior decades.

A March Leger survey — also commissioned by the Institute for Canadian Citizenship — found that more than one fifth of recent immigrants were already making plans to leave. Among under-34 immigrants, in particular, 30 per cent said they were “likely” to leave Canada within the next two years.


As to why, newcomers are citing the same concerns with the country as native-born Canadians: Skyrocketing housing costs and diminishing access to government services such as health care.

In the Leger poll, even among immigrants who wanted to stay, their number one reservation was “high cost of living.”

In a bid to boost GDP, the Trudeau government has already raised Canada’s immigration intake to the highest levels in Canadian history, and is on track to bring in 500,000 newcomers annually by 2025. Absent any dramatic policy changes, this influx will likely worsen many of the issues that are already beginning to scare away new Canadians.

On Tuesday, CIBC CEO Victor Dodig warned that if Canada continued packing in immigrants without a viable plan to absorb them, it could spur an unprecedented “social crisis.”

“New Canadians want to establish a life here, they need a roof over their heads. We need to get that policy right and not wave the flag saying isn’t it great that everyone wants to come to Canada,” Dodig said at an event hosted by Canadian Club Toronto.

One other factor potentially driving down rates of immigrants seeking citizenship is that Canada’s immigrant stream is increasingly coming from countries that do not tolerate dual citizenship, thus prompting many newcomers to remain permanent residents in perpetuity.

The chief examples are India and China. Indian nationals are required to surrender their Indian passport the moment they become Canadian citizens. Chinese prohibitions on dual citizenship were illustrated most glaringly in 2021, when the Beijing government tightened its control on Hong Kong by forcing 300,000 residents with joint Canadian citizenship to either leave or tear up their Canadian passport.

Both countries now represent a significant share of Canada’s current immigrant influx. As per 2021 figures, 18.6 per cent of recent Canadian immigrants reported India as their birthplace, while 8.9 per cent reported being born in China.


For context, just three per cent of recent immigrants were born in the United States.

In 2022, Canada officially welcomed 431,645 immigrants. Notably, the last time in Canadian history that immigration levels were this high — during the settling of the prairies in the years preceding the First World War – it was also paired with surging levels of outmigration as many newcomers swiftly abandoned their new Canadian homesteads.

“A lot of people left; outmigration was as high as in-migration for a very, very long time,” Adele Perry, a researcher of Western Canadian history, told the National Post in 2012.
 

imransyed

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That poll looks very accurate and not exaggerated at all. Even I regularly find myself questioning if I should leave and go back to where I came from, and I find myself having to intensely remind myself about why I am here and the big picture and all that.
All the reasons/questions of the poll are spot on and I am glad to see this MAJOR issue is getting traction. I can only hope that something good will come out of it though.
I am glad about the discrimination/racism aspect of the poll also. Although not prevalent, I know it exists and people will and can feel when they are discriminated against, either in the workforce or general life.

Hell, I know a few people who came here on student visas and within the first weeks were like nope, I can do better than this, and just left!
Even in India, the student visa craze of coming to Canada has massively declined amongst my social circle.

EDIT: Also another confirmation of my personal feeling about this country: The cold isn't bad at all compared to the other myriad of easily fixable-avoidable issues I am facing here right now LOL