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[varuen]

thanks so much Century for your valuable advice,

pls can you help me out to some more queries..

1. My IELTS Score is more than 2 years old (exacly Sep-2011), so will it be valid for FSW 2014 application or I need to take IELTS again??
2. I have also cleared french exams DELF A1 and DELF A2 in 2012... Will I get any points for this exams for second official language proficiency(as TEF is mentioned on cic page)
3. Is ECA also required for dependent member in FSW application??

Thanking you in advance

First of all, i have also applied to QSW and now applying to FSW. As per my research there wont be any problem. so rest assured.

1. My IELTS Score is more than 2 years old (exacly Sep-2011), so will it be valid for FSW 2014 application or I need to take IELTS again?? - you need to take IELTS again
2. I have also cleared french exams DELF A1 and DELF A2 in 2012... Will I get any points for this exams for second official language proficiency(as TEF is mentioned on cic page) - DELF is not acceptable under FSW, hence no points.
3. Is ECA also required for dependent member in FSW application?? - ECA only for latest degree and principal applicant.

 

[Punjab2Canada]

You will agree with me that most applicants literally believe second language is supposed to be a different language from your first language.
80% or more applicants literally believes French is your 2nd language but in the context of CIC especially with reference to this link(http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp),I believe you they are referring to the same language and that if you score the minimum as stated for the 2nd official language,you will get 4 points.......my personal interpretation and opinion.
When you look at the 2nd official language part for IELTS in English,they never refer to TEF scores as 2nd official language,they only referred to IELTS band marks as qualification for 2nd language......same thing apply to TEF in french too.
Like I love to say,CIC are confusionist themselves since they were silent on the true interpretation of official language.
Ages long......my candid advice to applicants is to never depend on this additional 4 points from 2nd official language to make 67 points because nobody is sure of the interpretation.
Cheers.

Uh-oh, I think you got confused because of two different tables under each language.

See, they have provided two tables because you can claim either language as your first, & in that case the other language will automatically become your second language.

Suppose, you claim English as your first language, then French will be your second language (if you are claiming points for it). So, for English lanugae the first table (CLB 7/8/9) will be applicable & for French second table (NCLC 5) will be applicable.

On the other hand if French is your first language then you can get points (out of 24) based on the first table under French language, i.e. NCLC 7/8/9, & for English CLB 5.

 

[varuen]

2171 for the profile business analyst/consultant. I am a business analyst and applied under 2171. Go ahead!

Hello All,

Please go through roles and responsibilities and let me know 2171 or 2173.

• Reviews, elicits, and writes formal specifications and communicates business requirements between development and client to design and implement business solutions.
• Develops and improves business processes within the technology and business organizations and understands client requirements, specifying and analyzing these to a sufficient or expert level of detail to ensure clarity of definition.
• Provides guidance to less experienced analysts on tasks.
• Responsible for building and maintaining a relationship with customers; may include collaborating with Professional Services & outsourcing functions.
• Monitors and adheres to metrics to ensure customer satisfaction and recommends metrics.
• Ensures that implementation follows the design and directs modifications of the design, along with ensuring system assurance methodology is followed.
• Applies technical expertise to clarify and understand requirements and ensures test approach and test coverage is defined for complex, large-scale projects.
• Facilitate multiple testing types such as integration, functional, regression testing and performance tests as defined per project.
• Applies group's technical tools and appropriate technology solutions on assigned projects and applies technical efficiencies for group and department
• Logs defects per defined project guidelines and standards and analyzes defects including the origin and cause, communicates pertinent information, and confirms resolution of defects.
• Ensures opportunities for automation of testing are identified, prioritized, and implemented in conjunction with development and business partners.
• Provides direction for, and approves, testing approach for a given product or system.
• Provides advice to management on functional matters, or on the interpretation of policies and practices.
• Actively works to address issues and pursue solutions that impact own work, team's work, and/or group's work; seeks help from others and provides help to others as necessary.
• Assigns tasks, establishes and measures fulfillment of expectations, and validates completed work.
• Re-evaluates and adjusts approach and focus as changes are made that affect the project.
• Drives the definition of quality expectations and requirements for technical solutions, potentially involving selection of testing tools as well as test approach options.
• Drives the identification, selection, and implementation of software tools and testing techniques for the group and department.

 

[kollins]

Hey Kollins,
No offence, but CIC website states clearly that they have only two official languages English and French.
If English is your primary language then French will be secondary. Then you need to take IELTS/ CELPIP and score CLB 9 or higher and TEF and score NCLC 5 and more to claim maximum 28 point.

Like I say......opinion differs.
Check the link below...it was not referred to as you quoted.
(http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp)
The scores been referred to in this link specifically refers to the same scores of the 1st language and negate your explanation above.
English and French as two main official languages on CIC website is different from the scores of the 2nd offical language been referred to....I expect them to directly refer to TEF test scores on this link for IELTS but it was not.
Like I said earlier...no applicant should depend on this additional 4 points for eligibility so as not to be disappointed.
Cheers.

 

[varuen]

Nup, not a problem. mail the details of new passport when your local VO start processing, don't send to CIO.

Inform your local visa office for your new passport, once your file is transferred to your local visa office. We are on the same boat. Me & my wife are going to reissue our passport as older passport carries name before marriage for my spouse and for me no spouse detail in passport.

Hence we are also going to inform local VO, once my file is transferred there.

let me know your local visa office, i shall provide you then the link.
For example here is the link for Delhi visa office where you have to submit details of any changes to your application.

https://dmp-portal.cic.gc.ca/enquiries-renseignements/case-cas-eng.aspx?mission=new%20delhi

 

[akosiempre]

You will agree with me that most applicants literally believe second language is supposed to be a different language from your first language.
80% or more applicants literally believes French is your 2nd language but in the context of CIC especially with reference to this link(http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp),I believe you they are referring to the same language and that if you score the minimum as stated for the 2nd official language,you will get 4 points.......my personal interpretation and opinion.
When you look at the 2nd official language part for IELTS in English,they never refer to TEF scores as 2nd official language,they only referred to IELTS band marks as qualification for 2nd language......same thing apply to TEF in french too.
Like I love to say,CIC are confusionist themselves since they were silent on the true interpretation of official language.
Ages long......my candid advice to applicants is to never depend on this additional 4 points from 2nd official language to make 67 points because nobody is sure of the interpretation.
Cheers.

hi kollins,

actually this is also my understanding at first. because the part where cic says "4 points if you meet the minimum threshold in all four language abilities"

but on the link you provided, it is already clear that the 4 points is for the 2nd language

this is the image on the link you provided.

also on http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/factor-language.asp, the last part says:

Note: You can only get four points in total for basic-level skills in your second official language, and only if you have a score of at least CLB 5 in each of the four language abilities.

 

[varuen]

Once all the phases are completed for FSWP 2014 Tentatively when can we get visa in Hand............ I mean people whose applications reached b/w 1st to 10th may 2014 when they can get the final vissa. Seniors through your predictions on thiss

That depends on local visa office.
in india based on May you may get visa between January - February 2015. it takes 8 to 9 months for New Delhi VO.

 

[GMS]

Want to share one personal experience..

I was chasing my previous employer (L&T Ltd., India) to issue the reference letter since 2-Jun. I provided all justifications and also a draft copy for ready reference.. but HR person was not issuing the letter and stopped taking up my calls also. Then i approached HR head for his support on this matter. He too did not do anything for 2 weeks.

Then i wrote directly to the EVP (Exec Vice President) who knew me personally and requested him to intervene in the matter. I also explained that such situation encourage people to generate forged documents on behalf of company. He has now instructed HR dept to issue the letter. After one month of fight, I should hopefully get the letter.. only thing i am worried is timing.. I am getting my IELTS result on 4-Jul and i want to apply within this week.

I am applying for 0113 (Purchasing Manager).. I pray that overall cap of 25,000 remains open for another 10 days..

 

[inderMUM]

Still waiting for anything to here from CIC. My application reached at CIC on 16th May 2014. I applied for FSW in Electrical & Electronic Engineer category. Any update Folks??

 

[mkshah]

Dear Friends..

I checked cic.gc.ca website and I found below information which will be useful to understand points for french
as second official language in FSW 2014 application..

Link:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp

these scores are related to TEF scores

Like I say.....Opinion differs on 2nd language options and its unfortunate that CIC was ambiguous.
But the little information that CIC gave on their link (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp) is comprehensible enough for me to understand that it doesnt refer to TEF test in French if your first language is in English.
My intepretation of the rule of second language still remain the same.....but I stand to be corrected.
From the link I gave you...the rule of the second language is clear......

....

Second official language (4 points if you meet the minimum threshold in all four language abilities)

CLB Level Ability: Speaking Ability: Listening Ability: Reading Ability: Writing Points (total)
5 and above 5.0 – 9.0 5.0 – 9.0 4.0 – 9.0 5.0 – 9.0 4

The rule means applicant are eligible for additional 4 points if you meet the minimum listed scores.
Because of the ambiguos nature of this hotly contested 2nd language 4 point,I always advice applicants not to rely on this to meet 67points.....BUT I'M SURE MY EXPLANATION IS RIGHT/CORRECT until I see a verifiable source of different opinion.
Cheers.

 

[kollins]

Uh-oh, I think you got confused because of two different tables under each language.

See, they have provided two tables because you can claim either language as your first, & in that case the other language will automatically become your second language.

Suppose, you claim English as your first language, then French will be your second language (if you are claiming points for it). So, for English lanugae the first table (CLB 7/8/9) will be applicable & for French second table (NCLC 5) will be applicable.

On the other hand if French is your first language then you can get points (out of 24) based on the first table under French language, i.e. NCLC 7/8/9, & for English CLB 5.

Not confused......I tried to interpret the scores of the 2nd official language for you as shown in the link.
CIC needs to swap the scores of the 2nd portion of the IELTS and TEF test in other for them to legally interpret them as 2nd official language.
Some of us try to comprehend English in its true representations...no offence to you while some interpret it literally.
I think its fair enough not to drag this as everybody will always feel they are correct in their interpretation.....any applicants that hope on the additional four points in both arguments as an assurance to make 67points does that at their own risk.
Applicants.....stay clear of this "4 points" because its a BLACK BOX.
Cheers.
Cheers.

 

[jpn]

Like I say......opinion differs.
Check the link below...it was not referred to as you quoted.
(http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp)
The scores been referred to in this link specifically refers to the same scores of the 1st language and negate your explanation above.
English and French as two main official languages on CIC website is different from the scores of the 2nd offical language been referred to....I expect them to directly refer to TEF test scores on this link for IELTS but it was not.
Like I said earlier...no applicant should depend on this additional 4 points for eligibility so as not to be disappointed.
Cheers.

I don't see any confusion here, however I am in total agreement with you that one should not depend on second language if he/she can manage otherwise.
Cheers...

 

[jpn]

Want to share one personal experience..

I was chasing my previous employer (L&T Ltd., India) to issue the reference letter since 2-Jun. I provided all justifications and also a draft copy for ready reference.. but HR person was not issuing the letter and stopped taking up my calls also. Then i approached HR head for his support on this matter. He too did not do anything for 2 weeks.

Then i wrote directly to the EVP (Exec Vice President) who knew me personally and requested him to intervene in the matter. I also explained that such situation encourage people to generate forged documents on behalf of company. He has now instructed HR dept to issue the letter. I should hopefully get the letter.. only thing i am worried is timing.. I am getting my IELTS result on 4-Jul and i want to apply within this week.

I am applying for 0113 (Purchasing Manager).. I pray that overall cap of 25,000 remains open for another 10 days..

Don't worry bro, you are safe. 0113 will going to last long.
Cheers

 

[jpn]

Still waiting for anything to here from CIC. My application reached at CIC on 16th May 2014. I applied for FSW in Electrical & Electronic Engineer category. Any update Folks??

For 16th May, I think you have to wait for another 4-5 weeks. CIO is still working on 7th May.

 

[inderMUM]

Want to share one personal experience..

I was chasing my previous employer (L&T Ltd., India) to issue the reference letter since 2-Jun. I provided all justifications and also a draft copy for ready reference.. but HR person was not issuing the letter and stopped taking up my calls also. Then i approached HR head for his support on this matter. He too did not do anything for 2 weeks.

Then i wrote directly to the EVP (Exec Vice President) who knew me personally and requested him to intervene in the matter. I also explained that such situation encourage people to generate forged documents on behalf of company. He has now instructed HR dept to issue the letter. After one month of fight, I should hopefully get the letter.. only thing i am worried is timing.. I am getting my IELTS result on 4-Jul and i want to apply within this week.

I am applying for 0113 (Purchasing Manager).. I pray that overall cap of 25,000 remains open for another 10 days..

Dont Worry about overall cap filling. FYI received application in total are approx 500. still ling way to go 25000