Effective date of Bill C24

[screech339]

Show me official time frame definition of the word "Approximately" +-1 second, +-1hour,+-1day, +-1week, +-1 month, +-2 months...

You are just grasping at straws now.

 

[MUFC]

I know that you like to analyze me... but try to focus your attention on the problem with the word "Approximately" I see that there is no time frame definition... so the cut off date could happen any time... Tomorrow or December or any day in between or even beyond

 

[aries9811]

Approximately date is 29th Feb 2015

 

[MUFC]

Many people who will apply let's say next month are also worried about that cut off date and they are asking in the forum, for the same reason...

The flexibility of the word "Approximately" ... there is nothing accurate in that word, nothing as a definitive timeframe

 

[screech339]

I know that you like to analyze me... but try to focus your attention on the problem with the word "Approximately" I see that there is no time frame definition... so the cut off date could happen any time... Tomorrow or December or any day in between or even beyond

Ask anyone what month does approx 1 year after June 19th 2014 lands on. The majority will say June or July 2015. So I am not going to argue with you over your definition of what approximate really means.

 

[MUFC]

Many people have different understanding of the timeframe of "Approximately" , therefore they ask here about Feb,Mar,Apr,May, and so on.

The timeframe limits are not fixed in a exact time difference when they use "Approximately"

 

[screech339]

Many people have different understanding of the timeframe of "Approximately" , therefore they ask here about Feb,Mar,Apr,May, and so on.

The timeframe limits are not fixed in a exact time difference when they use "Approximately"

You just want to argue just for the sake of arguing, all over the definition of "approximately". Before it's the intent to reside clause, and now this word "approximately"?

Thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with the June/July timeframe like everyone else seems to think, including the lawyers you posted the link on earlier.

Anyone who thinks approx 1 year after June 1014 means September to December 2015 are having high hopes and are setting themselves up for a major disappointment. I don't want them to get their heart broken over false hopes. I will not lead them on to think they got hope because someone thinks it will get delayed as far as December (your version of approximate 1 year (18 months after June 1014)). To me that is deceitful and misleading to them and playing on their vulnerability of wanting the delay as long as possible.

I just want them to understand that while I won't stop them from wishing or banking on the delay as a sure thing, don't come back complaining or feeling disappointed, that if it actually ended up being implemented in June/July. As Aries summed it up nicely, they brought that on themselves and no one else.

So everyone who qualifies for citizenship under the 3/4 rule has a good chance up to May. They have a slim chance in June and even less in July. After that, if the delay does happen, bonus for them. If not, oh well, you have been forewarned.

 

[MUFC]

And what if the delay happens, the people will be miserable because they would be like... Ohhh what if ... I could have...

So basically you say that the law will be definitely implemented around June July and everybody after that definitely have no chance?

You really gonna kill the hopes of people is they see that we all still waiting for the cut of date August, Sep.... and they have waisted their chance because they went outside Canada for some reason because they were convinced that the law will be enforced 100% before that... But the reality might be completely different, because we got nothing definitive in a first place.

 

[PMM]

Hi

They always process any application according to the rules in effect on the day they receive it. It's always been like this, be it PR or citizenship or visa application.

No, bill C84 retroactively cancelled PR applications.

 

[screech339]

And what if the delay happens, the people will be miserable because they would be like... Ohhh what if ... I could have...

So basically you say that the law will be definitely implemented around June July and everybody after that definitely have no chance?

You really gonna kill the hopes of people is they see that we all still waiting for the cut of date August, Sep.... and they have waisted their chance because they went outside Canada for some reason because they were convinced that the law will be enforced 100% before that... But the reality might be completely different, because we got nothing definitive in a first place.

I never said it will definitely be july/june. It's my educated guess, nothing more. Just warned them if they want to hope it will be delayed over your hope to beat the 4/6 year rule, do it at your own risk. You can hope but also be realistic at same time. After all you have been told it's approx 1 year to be fully implemented. Be prepared that it may not turn out the way you hope it would.

As for leaving Canada, again, which is more important. Qualifying for citizenship or relax, have fun or having to leave for personal reasons. If you want to stay in Canada in the hopes that the cutoff is in Aug/Sept to barely meet 3/4 rule, I'm not stopping you. That's your own business. If cutoff does get delayed til sept, lucky for you. You took a gamble and being proactive. If the cutoff came earlier than you wanted, oh well, at least you tried. If you felt you did it all for nothing, don't blame anyone but yourself. You brought that all on yourself. It's called being accountable for your own decision.

If I was in the situation that I qualify in Aug/Sept then I can hope it can get delay until Sept but won't bank everything on it as if my life's depended on it.

There is more to life than obsessing over a cutoff date that hasn't been announced yet. If you think qualifying for citizenship under 3/4 rule is more important than your enjoyment in life, you need to re-examine your priorities.

 

[MUFC]

In my case, I'm not going to get any benefit by becoming Canadian.
But I see that for many people that's a serious goal in their lives and just the fact that they will be Canadians will make them proud emotionally , but they really have to ask themselves ... "What real practical benefits will they get by becoming Canadians?" "What change in their standard of living will they get?" "Is it really that important to become Canadian?"

In my case, my standard of living now is lower, because here in America the taxes are too high... hence being a Canadian or not... I still have to pay them.... again no practical difference with or without citizenship.

I don't care when the cut off date will actually land, but for many people obviously is a big deal and if it's very important for them they have to be aware that there is a chance for a delay.

 

[plus]

aries,
where did you find this info? 2015 is not a leap year.

Approximately date is 29th Feb 2015

 

[screech339]

I never said it will definitely be july/june. It's my educated guess, nothing more. Just warned them if they want to hope it will be delayed over your hope to beat the 4/6 year rule, do it at your own risk. You can hope but also be realistic at same time. After all you have been told it's approx 1 year to be fully implemented. Be prepared that it may not turn out the way you hope it would.

As for leaving Canada, again, which is more important. Qualifying for citizenship or relax, have fun or having to leave for personal reasons. If you want to stay in Canada in the hopes that the cutoff is in Aug/Sept to barely meet 3/4 rule, I'm not stopping you. That's your own business. If cutoff does get delayed til sept, lucky for you. You took a gamble and being proactive. If the cutoff came earlier than you wanted, oh well, at least you tried. If you felt you did it all for nothing, don't blame anyone but yourself. You brought that all on yourself. It's called being accountable for your own decision.

If I was in the situation that I qualify in Aug/Sept then I can hope it can get delay until Sept but won't bank everything on it as if my life's depended on it.

There is more to life than obsessing over a cutoff date that hasn't been announced yet. If you think qualifying for citizenship under 3/4 rule is more important than your enjoyment in life, you need to re-examine your priorities.

In my case, I'm not going to get any benefit by becoming Canadian.
But I see that for many people that's a serious goal in their lives and just the fact that they will be Canadians will make them proud emotionally , but they really have to ask themselves ... "What real practical benefits will they get by becoming Canadians?" "What change in their standard of living will they get?" "Is it really that important to become Canadian?"

In my case, my standard of living now is lower, because here in America the taxes are too high... hence being a Canadian or not... I still have to pay them.... again no practical difference with or without citizenship.

I don't care when the cut off date will actually land, but for many people obviously is a big deal and if it's very important for them they have to be aware that there is a chance for a delay.

BTW: When I say the word "you" in my post, it was not directed at you, MUFC. It is meant to be directed at people who want to hope that the delay does happen.

 

[MUFC]

I never said it will definitely be july/june. It's my educated guess, nothing more. If you want to stay in Canada in the hopes that the cutoff is in Aug/Sept to barely meet 3/4 rule, I'm not stopping you. That's your own business. If cutoff does get delayed til sept, lucky for you. You took a gamble and being proactive. If the cutoff came earlier than you wanted, oh well, at least you tried. If you felt you did it all for nothing, don't blame anyone but yourself. You brought that all on yourself. It's called being accountable for your own decision.

If you think qualifying for citizenship under 3/4 rule is more important than your enjoyment in life, you need to re-examine your priorities.

I thought that all the bold ones are directed at me, and that's why I said that I don't really care if I will be Canadian or not.
Now I understand that your post is directed to the public.
Cheers

 

[MUFC]

From my experience in the first world countries I can make a conclusion that if there is no fixed date on a law and if there is a silence and mystery after that... most of the times this laws were delayed .

Here I see similar scenario.

Silence , mystery, nothing official,...

After all the buzz and hype from last year about that Bill, all of a sudden ... it seems that this law doesn't exist, nobody talk about it anymore...

In this environment a delay usually happens and can be expected