Effective date of Bill C24

[MUFC]

That's why the Canadian wants to become a Canadian citizen. Because actually he/she is with his original nationality which is not Canadian.

 

[screech339]

A PR is not a citizen, not even a 2nd-class citizen! That's why we apply for "citizenship" to become "citizens"!!

I would argue that a 2nd-class citizen is in a better position than a PR. As a PR you are subject to deportation by an administrative order, not even a court ruling, whereas a citizen can't be removed from Canada no matter what. PRs is a transitional stage between residency and citizenship.

I lived in a GCC state for 25 years before coming to Canada, worked in the government, enjoyed most services just like citizens, didn't pay taxes, but never considered myself a citizen or even a PR, cause I could just be asked to leave the country at any moment. Many people seek Canadian citizenship just for this reason: to have a place (other than their disastrous countries of origin) where they can live without worrying about being asked to leave it one day. Unfortunately, the PR status doesn't provide that, and that's why the seek citizenship.

The only way you would be stripped of PR status, other than not meeting RO, is if you get convicted of a federal offense. So as long as you behave and be a good upstanding citizen, you got nothing to worry about.

 

[MUFC]

So all the PRs... whenever you fulfill any applications don't think twice , always check the Canadian citizen option, because you are already PR. If they start to ask questions tell them that well technically you are still not a Canadians .

 

[screech339]

So all the PRs... whenever you fulfill any applications don't think twice , always check the Canadian citizen option, because you are already PR. If they start to ask questions tell them that well technically you are still not a Canadians .

Except for applications that says at bottom that it is a federal offense to provide false info.

 

[MUFC]

But we've come to the conclusion that every PR is actually a Canadian citizen, why it would be a false info.
Does that actually means that the PR is not a Canadian citizen?

 

[screech339]

But we've come to the conclusion that every PR is actually a Canadian citizen, why it would be a false info.
Does that actually means that the PR is not a Canadian citizen?

Unless you want to lose your PR status due to federal conviction.

 

[MUFC]

OK so that means that the PR is not a Canadian citizen.

 

[screech339]

OK so that means that the PR is not a Canadian citizen.

I have agreed that PR is not a Canadian in a legal sense, in that the PR's citizenship is not Canadian citizenship.

So what's your point?

 

[CanadianCountry]

Screech,
I am in disagreement with dpenabill and screech stance on who is "Canadian" topic.

You are completely failing to see the other side. In all legal terminology the term "Canadian" is reserved for citizens. For your relief, PRs can call themselves "Canadian PRs" and not "Canadian". The above terms are not the same. An automatic inference from usage of only "Canadian" has only one meaning i.e citizen.

Lets say even for a second we agree that 1)citizens 2)pr with no condtions 3) conditional PRs, are all Canadians. Then from that it concludes some Canadians have more rights than others, some have more responsibilities than others. How can that be true, unless our premise that all are Canadians is wrong.

How can anybody explain that some Canadians lose to be Canadian if they divorce but for some its ok. For some Canadians their is no residency obligations and is there for some. Some adult Canadians are ok to vote, but not others, some Canadians can run for political office, some cant.

I have no problem if you are a PR and want to call yourself a Canadian becuz it makes you happy. I have seen people with expired visitors visa calling themselves as "Canadian Returned" as it makes them happy.

My last comment on the topic.

That's why the Canadian wants to become a Canadian citizen. Because actually he/she is with his original nationality which is not Canadian.

 

[MUFC]

I have agreed that PR is not a Canadian in a legal sense, in that the PR's citizenship is not Canadian citizenship.

So what's your point?

Now we have an agreement. Now everything seems fine.

 

[screech339]

Now we have an agreement. Now everything seems fine.

Yes. PR are not Canadians in the sense that they don't hold Canadian citizenship. But they are citizens of Canada thus to argue that some people say they are treated as 2nd class is not true. As far as I'm concerned and as the court is concerned PR and Canadians have the same rights under the law. The only major difference is PR cannot vote. Not being able to vote does not IMPLY that they are 2nd class.

I will wholeheartedly agree with that premise of PR being 2nd class as if they were actually denied any service (other than voting rights) that a Canadian has access to service in Canada. In other words, "segregated" from Canadian citizens.

I take great offense and quite insulted by PR comparing themselves as 2nd class as if they are the black people of the US Jim Crow Era to Canadians today. Also it is a lot of disrespect to the relatives of the people who suffered under Jim Crow Era.

 

[MUFC]

A PR cannot be treated as a 1st or 2nd class citizen, simply because he/she have never been a citizen. PR is only a permanent residents.

If it was a citizen it would be PC (Permanent Citizen)

 

[CanadianCountry]

Lol. Great point. Or maybe PC= Permanent Canadian.

A PR cannot be treated as a 1st or 2nd class citizen, simply because he/she have never been a citizen. PR is only a permanent residents.

If it was a citizen it would be PC (Permanent Citizen)

 

[screech339]

A PR cannot be treated as a 1st or 2nd class citizen, simply because he/she have never been a citizen. PR is only a permanent residents.

If it was a citizen it would be PC (Permanent Citizen)

Does it mean that PR and Canadians are equal under the law?

 

[MUFC]

Only for internal usage (In general with small exceptions) But only within the boundaries of Canada.

For example when I want to go to US I am going in as a EU not as a Canadian citizen, but only when I come back I can show my PR card. So I can use my PR card only when I'm coming back in Canada.