Effective date of Bill C24

[screech339]

"My PR wife feels like a Canadian." I know you have to respect what your wife thinks, so would i. But that doesn't make it right, in my opinion.

In my opinion, i don't want to fool myself to believe i'm Canadian when i'm not able to write per legal sense i'm Canadian. My nationality is still my home country. I'm a legal permanent resident of Canada, but nationality has not changed.

Some people feel happy to believe they are Canadian while they are on PR, good for them. I don't want to fool myself.

You are correct that PRs are not Canadians in the legal sense of the words. That's a given. But to say PRs are 2nd class citizen to everyone else is pure bunk.

You have provided me a few examples of PR have difference rights from Canadian's. And each and every one of the examples, Canadians has to follow the same rules that a PR has to go through. Thus same rights as Canadians. That doesn't sound like 2nd class citizen to me. You have no provided any examples whereby a PR were denied service that a Canadian has service. The only rights a PR has been denied is the right to vote, run for politics and high security / clearance jobs. These people who work in these positions are far far few in numbers in comparison that it is trivial matter. The voting is pretty much the only right denied that matter most to PRs. But being denied to vote doesn't make you 2nd citizen.

So other than being denied to vote, have you come across any segregated PR/Canadian workplace? Segregated PR/Canadian public place? Segregated PR/Canadian public washrooms. No you have not. Thus you are not treated as 2nd class citizen.

 

[CanadianCountry]

@ screech,
Answer my question straight and no i'm not saying anything about 2nd class citizens or whatever.

Q) Can you represent yourself legally that you are a "Canadian" while you are a Permanent resident?

So for me, i don't consider myself a Canadian while i'm only a PR and cannot legally say i'm a Canadian. You have all the rights to think differently, i'm only sharing how i think. And i believe many here on the forum would think the same that PRs are not Canadian per say. We can claim to be one (Canadian) if that makes us feel better.

You are correct that PRs are not Canadians in the legal sense of the words. That's a given. But to say PRs are 2nd class citizen to everyone else is pure bunk.

You have provided me a few examples of PR have difference rights from Canadian's. And each and every one of the examples, Canadians has to follow the same rules that a PR has to go through. Thus same rights as Canadians. That doesn't sound like 2nd class citizen to me. You have no provided any examples whereby a PR were denied service that a Canadian has service. The only rights a PR has been denied is the right to vote, run for politics and high security / clearance jobs. These people who work in these positions are far far few in numbers in comparison that it is trivial matter. The voting is pretty much the only right denied that matter most to PRs. But being denied to vote doesn't make you 2nd citizen.

So other than being denied to vote, have you come across any segregated PR/Canadian workplace? Segregated PR/Canadian public place? Segregated PR/Canadian public washrooms. No you have not. Thus you are not treated as 2nd class citizen.

 

[screech339]

@ screech,
Answer my question straight and no i'm not saying anything about 2nd class citizens or whatever.

Q) Can you represent yourself legally that you are a "Canadian" while you are a Permanent resident?

So for me, i don't consider myself a Canadian while i'm only a PR and cannot legally say i'm a Canadian. You have all the rights to think differently, i'm only sharing how i think. And i believe many here on the forum would think the same that PRs are not Canadian per say. We can claim to be one (Canadian) if that makes us feel better.

I already answered your question. See my post again.

You are correct that PRs are not Canadians in the legal sense of the words. That's a given.

 

[CanadianCountry]

So that settles it. Atleast we all know now that people may think differently of a similar situation. Thanks.

I already answered your question. See my post again.

 

[na123]

Nothing in the Gazette part II that is related to CIC today.

 

[CanadianCountry]

So maybe No news is good news in this case.

Nothing in the Gazette part II that is related to CIC today.

 

[MUFC]

Nothing in the Gazette part II that is related to CIC today.

I don't expect anything new in Part II before Mid-April. But anytime after that YES

 

[Martin29]

A Canadian citizen can go to US, UK UAE and lot of other countries without visa and lot of countries with visa on arrival.But a Canadian PR wont be able to do that.Especially if he is from a Third world country .So there is a difference.When I go to my home country flight via US is very cheap but I am not able to take those flights because I am PR and I don't have a US Visa.

 

[screech339]

So that settles it. Atleast we all know now that people may think differently of a similar situation. Thanks.

So yes a PR is not a Canadian. What is your point you are trying to make?

Is it that the belief that PRs are 2nd class citizen? That PRs are treated differently from Canadians? What is it?

That is like a hearing impaired person going around telling everyone he is hard of hearing. What was his point he was trying to make?

If any PR feels like 2nd class, I have to respect what he/she thinks, if being denied right to vote, is the only reason for feeling that way, but that doesn't make it true, in my opinion.

 

[screech339]

A Canadian citizen can go to US, UK UAE and lot of other countries without visa and lot of countries with visa on arrival.But a Canadian PR wont be able to do that.Especially if he is from a Third world country .So there is a difference.When I go to my home country flight via US is very cheap but I am not able to take those flights because I am PR and I don't have a US Visa.

What's stopping you from applying for US visa. You can easily apply for a US visa as a PR and it would be good for 10 years. US is only interested in proof that you can/will leave US. Holding a PR card is proof enough for US to believe you would leave US. So with US visa, you can take those cheap flights out of US. I am surprised you haven't got it yet. My wife applied as soon as she got PR card and gotten a 10 year US visa no problem. Has she applied for US visa before she got PR, it would have been hard to get and if she managed to get visa it would only be good for 1 year. What's the point in paying 150 visa fee for 1 year US visa when you can get a 10 year US visa as PR for same price.

 

[MUFC]

screech339, your way of thinking imply for people in my case (With strong native passports) and willing to stay and live in Canada only, well in these cases it doesn't mater if a person is PR or citizen, because he/she has already the benefits of free visa travel.

The problem is that most of the people here are coming from countries with weak travel opportunities and they want to travel by using a strong passport, hence only PR for them is not working, because they still have to poses entry visas.

But if we look in the scale of Canada only, then yes there is not that much of a difference whether someone is a PR or citizen.

 

[screech339]

screech339, your way of thinking imply for people in my case (With strong native passports) and willing to stay and live in Canada only, well in these cases it doesn't mater if a person is PR or citizen, because by he/she has already the benefits of free visa travel.

The problem is that most of the people here are coming from countries with weak travel opportunities and they want to travel by using a strong passport, hence only PR for then is not working, because they still have to poses entry visas.

But if we look in the scale of Canada only, then yes there is not that much of a difference whether someone is a PR or citizen.

I agree that having a Canadian Passport for travel visa free reason is a good perk to have. But if that is the only reason to get Canadian citizenship, then that is very sad and poor reason to get citizenship.

 

[MUFC]

I agree that having a Canadian Passport for travel visa free reason is a good perk to have. But if that is the only reason to get Canadian citizenship, then that is very sad and poor reason to get citizenship.

These people are hungry to travel and see the world screech339, I think that is one of the main reasons they apply for citizenship.

The Canadian passport is in the same league as the EU, US, AUS, of course that if someone is coming from outside that group he/she wants to be part of it.

 

[CanadianCountry]

The point is:
1. To clarify a commonly held misbelief, that a PR is a Canadian because thats how you "feel". How somebody feels has nothing to do with reality.
2. To clarify the eagerness of some who think a PR is not a Canadian,want to be a Canadian in a real sense.
3. The 2nd class citizen argument doesnt apply, as PRs are not citizens. Paying tax but no citizenship doesnt apply, you work you pay tax wherever you live, dont work if you hate taxes.
4. To point out a disconnect between heart and mind. Imagine living at a place long enough to feel one way completely different from reality. Many dont like this and are eager to be the real Canadian.

So yes a PR is not a Canadian. What is your point you are trying to make?

Is it that the belief that PRs are 2nd class citizen? That PRs are treated differently from Canadians? What is it?

That is like a hearing impaired person going around telling everyone he is hard of hearing. What was his point he was trying to make?

If any PR feels like 2nd class, I have to respect what his/her thought is. I probably would too, if being denied right to vote, is the only reason for feeling that way, but that doesn't make it true, in my opinion.

 

[aries9811]

Stop discussing non-sense stuff ...!! and deviating the essence of this Post that's BILL C-24 !!! Rather than encouraging the prospective Canadians (PR Holders) it's like discouraging.. No one treats anyone like third world unless you making yurself feel like that !!! It's just the questioning at POE is alot for Non First World Category (including PRs) PRs are no different from Canadian PPT Holders. Cos everyone knows PR is the ONLY STEP OF GETTING CANADIAN PPT.