Effective date of Bill C24

[RAY2112]

Guys we are going in an endless circle with all these assumptions, let us wait and see. Its already April, I believe we will know the cutoff day within 3 months. Hopefully the new implementation will be fair for all PRs that landed in 2012 and 2013.

Oh Canada
Have a great weekend!

 

[godhelp]

so better send comments to cic asap. so that it is fair
to all PRs who landed in 2012, 2013. they have
given 30 day comment period. it can make a big difference.

thanks,
GODHELP

 

[CanadianCountry]

Screech,
When did bkara say anything of taxes. He is saying that the implementation of the law is unfair. This law is unfair equalizer because everybody is going to be effected.

In his view people who arrived in 2012 or 2013 have seniority over people who are coming in 2014 or 2015. But all are being in the same boat.

Everyone pay taxes when they make income. No matter what status anyone has. You come to Canada and work, you pay taxes. You do the same in US, you do the same in any of the western world. Paying taxes is irrelevant to the path of citizenship.

Everyone pay the cost of living, no matter where you go. You pay to have roof over your head no matter what. You pay rent, you pay mortgage, you pay hotel fees. Does this means you are entitled to citizenship because you pay to have a roof over your head? The same principle of "paying taxes". Everyone pay taxes when they make income.

 

[screech339]

Screech,
When did bkara say anything of taxes. He is saying that the implementation of the law is unfair. This law is unfair equalizer because everybody is going to be effected.

He made reference to paying taxes before he became PR. So by bringing up the paying taxes, seem to convey that paying taxes was part of the deal of citizenship rules.

Because I lived and paid taxes in canada for 3 years before I became PR

If this was not the case, I apologized to bkara. I understand his/her bkara's frustrations if this was a case of wanting to use pre-PR days towards citizenship. But it is also implied that because he/she uses the taxes excuse, he/she deserved to use Pre-PR days towards citizenship qualification. Does this mean a person who came into to Canada as a visitor/student doesn't deserve Pre-PR days because he/she didn't pay taxes.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Bkara,
For govt we are all the same bloody immigrants, so NO they dont see and seniority issue.

He made reference to paying taxes before he became PR. So by bringing up the paying taxes, seem to convey that paying taxes was part of the deal of citizenship rules.

If this was not the case, I apologized to bkara.

 

[Alwy Alsaggaf]

I think there will be news after Mid-April. The notice in advance (If any) is expected to be very short or it might be posted on the date of the actual implementation which could be anytime from Mid-April until August or maybe even September.

The cut off month and date will definitely NOT jump out from the regular call centre clerks or from an article written in a newspaper from a journalist.

Most probably the date and the month will be published on the gazette and the other option is on the CIC site itself.

Hello all.

I have been closely following this forum but never asked or contributed anything(More on the taking side) Learning a lot about the bill which will be effecting me if it includes prior-bill PR card holders. My few questions are:

1) What happened to the case that was challenging this bill? Is there any hope to revert the bill or that's a gone story that can not be reversed?
2) Is it true that that when the liberals come to power, after wining the elections, they can do something about the bill so that it does not affect the people that got PR before the bill?

Thank you.

 

[screech339]

If the government were to allow PR to claim citizenship under the old and new rules by date of when PR landed, before or after deadline, That would have been a little costly. Two sets of qualifications. Two online residence calculators. Two of everything. But it doesn't remove the problem of the first set of rules, subjective basic residence requirements.

I agree with the premise that those who land under the old rules apply under a difference set of rules from those who landed under the new rules. Those who landed under the old rules must still follow all the new rules with the exception of 1460 days requirement. They can still apply when they meet the 1095 days out of 3 years.

I do agree that days prior to PR days should not count towards citizenship, after all they were here TEMPORARY in Canada. The day a PR lands is the first day, first step toward citizenship, not before. Still keep the “intend to reside” (reduce dropping off application on way to airport) and must have filed income tax (filing taxes does not equate to paying taxes).

I think what I suggest is a more fair approach. Give those who landed under the old rules a chance to apply at 1095 days instead of 1460 days.

 

[gammabeta79]

For me ONLY reason I want Canadian Citizenship, so that I can go to USA and work on TN visa. Far more opportunities there. So, I guess if I apply under OLD rules, they cant do anything if I leave to USA immediately after getting citizenship (say within a week after getting Canadian Passport).

What about if I apply under new rules, get citizenship and then leave to USA within a week after getting Canadian Passport? Can they revoke my citizenship for not having intentions of staying in Canada?

 

[CanadianCountry]

screech,
This govt is on slippery slope. I will not be surprised that in a few years they may increase the physical presence to 5 years out of last 7 years.

The only hindrance to this will be that new legislation will cost more money. But if it were free, i would expect this to happen in the next govt term.

If the government were to allow PR to claim citizenship under the old and new rules by date of when PR landed, before or after deadline, That would have been a little costly. Two sets of qualifications. Two online residence calculators. Two of everything. But it doesn't remove the problem of the first set of rules, subjective basic residence requirements.

I agree with the premise that those who land under the old rules apply under a difference set of rules from those who landed under the new rules. Those who landed under the old rules must still follow all the new rules with the exception of 1460 days requirement. They can still apply when they meet the 1095 days out of 3 years.

I do agree that days prior to PR days should not count towards citizenship, after all they were here TEMPORARY in Canada. The day a PR lands is the first day, first step toward citizenship, not before. Still keep the “intend to reside” (reduce dropping off application on way to airport) and must have filed income tax (filing taxes does not equate to paying taxes).

I think what I suggest is a more fair approach. Give those who landed under the old rules a chance to apply at 1095 days instead of 1460 days.

 

[MUFC]

Hello all.

I have been closely following this forum but never asked or contributed anything(More on the taking side) Learning a lot about the bill which will be effecting me if it includes prior-bill PR card holders. My few questions are:

1) What happened to the case that was challenging this bill? Is there any hope to revert the bill or that's a gone story that can not be reversed?
2) Is it true that that when the liberals come to power, after wining the elections, they can do something about the bill so that it does not affect the people that got PR before the bill?

Thank you.

1. Nobody was challenging the whole Bill, but a very small section of it. That challenge was a fail.
2. Practically every party in charge can change any Bill after time, but I don't think anyone of them will change something significantly in that Bill after the elections.

 

[screech339]

For me ONLY reason I want Canadian Citizenship, so that I can go to USA and work on TN visa. Far more opportunities there. So, I guess if I apply under OLD rules, they cant do anything if I leave to USA immediately after getting citizenship (say within a week after getting Canadian Passport).

What about if I apply under new rules, get citizenship and then leave to USA within a week after getting Canadian Passport? Can they revoke my citizenship for not having intentions of staying in Canada?

NO!! Once you get Canadian citizenship, the "intend to reside" no longer applies. The "intend to reside" only applies to the moment you submit your application to the time you receive your certificate. You can leave Canada as long as you like.

 

[MUFC]

This govt is on slippery slope. I will not be surprised that in a few years they may increase the physical presence to 5 years out of last 7 years.

In practice with the intend to reside in place, the physical presence requirement with that law will be around 5 years. (Eligibility+Processing time= around 5 years)

 

[CanadianCountry]

Yes you are right. 5 or more. It seems under the new system 6-7 years will be norm for non-routine applications.

5 is years will be the minimum for routine applications. Non-routine will still take a long time if not longer. So for non-routine 4 years physical presence + 3 years of nonroutine processing time = 7 years.

Everybody thinks their case will be a routine but nobody can be sure. So everybody need to mentally prepared for 7 years of total processing from landing to citizenship.

In practice with the intend to reside in place, the physical presence requirement with that law will be around 5 years. (Eligibility+Processing time= around 5 years)

 

[MUFC]

Exactly,
Instead presenting that fluctuating and very dangerous intend to reside, they could have done it by simply increase the eligibility period to let say 6 or 7 years.

Now the intend to reside will not be fair for the people with slow local offices, hence their physical presence has to be much longer.

At the end of the day some new Canadians will get their passports faster , but the majority will get their passports much slower.

And on top of that nobody can tell what will happen with the processing times after the elections, according to me they will slow down again.

So that new law is bringing a lot of uncertainty and a lot of unknown for the future applicants.

 

[aries9811]

If CIC gets a Good Response, they will be considerate in making few changes that can make our lives easier and fair for landing people 2012-2013