Effective date of Bill C24

[screech339]

Look at the countries from which they are coming from.... predominantly Asian struggling countries... where are the immigrants from other developed countries who already posses a passport that gives them the same perks.

Shhhh! You can't talk about that. That's racist and discrimination. Everyone is equal under the law.

Screech339

 

[MUFC]

Let me ask a question.

If the dominant part of newcomers were from the developed world, would Canada be so brave to implement such a law?

 

[CanadianCountry]

You are saying it's not politicians, but people's will that the politicians act on. People in power hear from all quarters. There are always tons of issues to act on. Choosing which ones to act, leaving frivolous demands is also govt duty.

Even if we say on these issues there was great public demand/pressure, which rightfully was there post-Lebanese incident, we can argue how this legislation was rushed through, signed into law without a single amendment. What was the hurry?

This problem of Citizens of Convenience (which this bill or law tries to prevent) could have been solved in many ways but the govt chose this way.

Under this law, all of the 10,000 Lebanese Canadians would have lost their Citizenship if this bill had been in power then.

To this I say, good luck with that.

You mean the union never used their dues and spent it on election campaign, advertising, to prevent the ontario tories from forming government over fear of losing jobs?

The point I'm making is that you seems to blame the politicians only as if they had no outside influence whatsoever. Every politicians will be influenced by what the public wants. Bill C-24 is what apparently want the majority of people seems to want.

Again goes back to the engineer trademark law. The engineering association (union in disguise) brought in that trademark law by making politicians of the day sign it into law.

 

[na123]

Is it just a call to CIC or is your information from somewhere official.

I have seen many people calling CIC and they all are getting different dates. I ask because I should be able to apply between May 26 and June 2, so I am right at the edge.

Thank you for the information anyway.

Ok here's "the news" after one of my friend called CIC.

Bill C-24 is applicable to everyone,past present and future citizens.

The only Clause which is not effective is "4 out of 6 years" for existing Applications or those application that arrived in CIC before Jun 01 ,2015.

 

[MUFC]

And you will continue to hear different dates simply, because they got no official information, this is just another presumption of an call agent.

 

[screech339]

This problem of Citizens of Convenience (which this bill or law tries to prevent) could have been solved in many ways but the govt chose this way.

Under this law, all of the 10,000 Lebanese Canadians would have lost their Citizenship if this bill had been in power then.

To this I say, good luck with that.

You said problem of citizens of convenience could be solved in many ways.

Can you list some examples or laws which prevents this? I like to hear some please.

 

[screech339]

You are saying it's not politicians, but people's will that the politicians act on. People in power hear from all quarters. There are always tons of issues to act on. Choosing which ones to act, leaving frivolous demands is also govt duty.

I never said politicians always acts on people's will either. Just refuting your claim that it is always the politician's fault since they signed the laws as if they were never influenced by outside sources.

Are you saying that it is not the union's fault that kept the ontario liberal government in power for a decade, increased ontario debt, ruined ontario's rating system, turned ontario into a have-not province, paying unions to keep the peace, without any consideration of the harm it is doing to ontario's state and economy?

 

[screech339]

Let me ask a question.

If the dominant part of newcomers were from the developed world, would Canada be so brave to implement such a law?

I still think regardless of where the immigrants came from, as long as Canadians feels there is a large number of immigrants coming in, and feel that they are "stealing" Canadian jobs, (remember oil sand workers complaining about european workers too) they are coming here for Canadian citizenship to go back and become canadian of convenient, the law will still be implemented if the people still feels it is being abused and warranted.

 

[CanadianCountry]

It sure can be solved in many ways. And whatever I am going to say will not make any difference where you stand vis-a-vis political opinions are concerned. We both stand on opposite ends of the political spectrum, and I don't see any common ground. Everybody has the right to their opinions, so it doesn't makes any difference to me.

Ok you asked for a solution, so here is one. I consider this as a fiscal situation. Canadian govt spent money in rescuing their citizens. Later, govt and general public felt they got duped. Solve it through taxation. Bring changes to withhold taxes to recover the costs from these people.

You said problem of citizens of convenience could be solved in many ways.

Can you list some examples or laws which prevents this? I like to hear some please.

 

[MUFC]

So we came again to the point of separation. The newcomers are not welcomed by the majority of the society because they are newcomers and they have to by kept away from the Canadian jobs.

Now the government is listening the will of the Canadians and makes the rules more difficult, which means more struggle for the newcomers and their families, for another couple of years more.

On the contrary exactly the so called Canadians of convenience are not dangerous for the so called Canadians if they are so scared that somebody will steal their job. Even the Minister said that when the immigrant is a citizen he can go and do whatever he wants. So if the person poses a Canadian citizenship and decide to live abroad, then he is not a Canadian of convenience nevertheless that he does the same thing like the ones who have been accused.

All I am trying to say is that there is no legal way for them to fight against that... all these people just don't want to live here and to make the simple things difficult.

I still think regardless of where the immigrants came from, as long as Canadians feels there is a large number of immigrants coming in, and feel that they are "stealing" Canadian jobs, (remember oil sand workers complaining about european workers too) they are coming here for Canadian citizenship to go back and become canadian of convenient, the law will still be implemented if the people still feels it is being abused and warranted.

They should provide also a definition after how many weeks of staying abroad the Canadian can be accused that he is Canadian of convenience.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Unions at fault, OR, maybe as you say sometimes it's the people's will. So maybe it was the people's will that they wanted to continue with liberals in ontario because they liked the liberal policies so much.

I never said politicians always acts on people's will either. Just refuting your claim that it is always the politician's fault since they signed the laws as if they were never influenced by outside sources.

Are you saying that it is not the union's fault that kept the ontario liberal government in power for a decade, increased ontario debt, ruined ontario's rating system, turned ontario into a have-not province, paying unions to keep the peace, without any consideration of the harm it is doing to ontario's state and economy?

 

[screech339]

It sure can be solved in many ways. And whatever I am going to say will not make any difference where you stand vis-a-vis political opinions are concerned. We both stand on opposite ends of the political spectrum, and I don't see any common ground. Everybody has the right to their opinions, so it doesn't makes any difference to me.

Ok you asked for a solution, so here is one. I consider this as a fiscal situation. Canadian govt spent money in rescuing their citizens. Later, govt and general public felt they got duped. Solve it through taxation. Bring changes to withhold taxes to recover the costs from these people.

Or the US way, US won't help any americans if they have been living outside US for longer than 6 months. If you leave Canada for more than 6 months, you are on your own in bailing yourself out of war torn countries. That would have prevented the "case of convienent of Canadians" looking to taxpayers to bail them out during hard times or break out of war.

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[CanadianCountry]

Yes that's one solution.

Or the US way, US won't help any americans if they have been living outside US for longer than 6 months. If you leave Canada for more than 6 months, you are on your own in bailing yourself out of war torn countries. That would have prevented the "case of convienent of Canadians" looking to taxpayers to bail them out during hard times or break out of war.

Screech339

 

[screech339]

Yes that's one solution.

And you said I am the kind that won't listen to reason. I am not far right as you think I am.

Screech339

 

[CanadianCountry]

You have so many likes (at this forum) for a reason.

For my information, do you have the link to the doc which says that US doesn't help it's citizens who have been living out for more than 6 months?

And you said I am the kind that won't listen to reason. I am not far right as you think I am.

Screech339