Effective date of Bill C24

[CanadianCountry]

Yes the law has been there, but Obama was the one who forced other nations to comply. This seems more direct reason for renunciations.

I can't say that this can be related to Obamacare unless I know the numbers. How much money Obama is to get by taxing expats and what percent it contributes to the Obamacare budget.

FATCA is a part of it as well. Again US government didn't crack down on it as much as it did until Obama stepped in. FATCA been around for years long before Obama. Obama only made it worst by forcing foreign countries to comply.

 

[YorkFactory]

Why do you think ever since Obamacare kicked in, American renouncation fees jumped 4fold. A lot of americans living outside US don't want to pay for Obamacare. Obama saw a high increase in renunciation of American citizenship since obamacare started kicking in. So they decided to make it so much harder and costly to renounce it. They want their money to pay for his failed Obamacare. A lot of Americans that already had health insurance were either losing it, or forced to pay higher fees and get poorer coverage in return.

This reflects a particularly (and perhaps purposely) poor understanding of how the Affordable Care Act, and U.S. taxation in general, operate. Americans living outside the U.S. are not required to purchase insurance, increases in the cost of health care have slowed since the Affordable Care Act was passed, and more people's health-care costs have gone down than have gone up since it was implemented.

The US now have taxation based on citizenship which forces Americans living outside US most of their lives to pay for taxes without representation.

Where do you get the idea that Americans living outside the U.S. don't have representation? Expats can vote, you know.

 

[screech339]

This reflects a particularly (and perhaps purposely) poor understanding of how the Affordable Care Act, and U.S. taxation in general, operate. Americans living outside the U.S. are not required to purchase insurance, increases in the cost of health care have slowed since the Affordable Care Act was passed, and more people's health-care costs have gone down than have gone up since it was implemented.

Tell that to my US friends that had to pay more for their medical costs for lesser coverage. If Obamacare is so good, why is it still unpopular even among those who voted for Obama. Obamacare was and still unpopular for a reason. Obama straight out lied to the public with this statement "You get to keep your insurance if you like it". That is absolute baloney. That lines falls in the same famous Bill Clinton line "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" quote.

I guess all the complaints people made on this forum on CIC's performance is made up. And CIC's work performance has been very good to everyone, Everyone has been treated well and happy with CIC and increased immigration timeline and thus everyone must have had a poor understanding on how CIC does their work.

 

[screech339]

Where do you get the idea that Americans living outside the U.S. don't have representation? Expats can vote, you know.

Tell that to those who never step foot in US their entire lives, probably never voted and probably won't either, only because they were born in US.

 

[nadeem55]

We need to keep in mind under which post we're talking what?

Please stop political war here!!!

 

[screech339]

We need to keep in mind under which post we're talking what?

Please stop political war here!!!

Agree it was getting off track. Back on the bill-24 issue.

 

[MUFC]

By the way I really thing that the result of this Bill is going to be, more instigated people to leave after the oath ceremony.

They can't fight against it by just making the people wait longer, soon or later they will get the citizenship and they will leave again.

 

[CanadianCountry]

They should think that immigrants came to this country after having lived in their country of origin for nearly 30-50 years.

If they can leave a place (place of origin) after such long years, a couple of years extra here will not make them stay, unless people see the advantages.

If people see their standard of living increased here, an idiot will move out. It's an economic problem, not political or cultural.

Also consider this, moving is always costly, so there has to big economic factor pushing people to move out.

By the way I really thing that the result of this Bill is going to be, more instigated people to leave after the oath ceremony.

They can't fight against it by just making the people wait longer, soon or later they will get the citizenship and they will leave again.

 

[MUFC]

Exactly.

I am sure that the standard of living for most of the people after becoming a citizen will not improve if they decide to stay here, simply because they will be again on the long line competing with other Canadians for a single available position which can give them the boost of good standard of living.

Basically they will waste their live here with the hope that some day they will get to the standard of living which they have had before coming here.

Of course they will go back home instead of just waiting and waiting here.

 

[torontosm]

Exactly.

I am sure that the standard of living for most of the people after becoming a citizen will not improve if they decide to stay here, simply because they will be again on the long line competing with other Canadians for a single available position which can give them the boost of good standard of living.

Basically they will waste their live here with the hope that some day they will get to the standard of living which they have had before coming here.

Of course they will go back home instead of just waiting and waiting here.

Based on your assessment of how the entire immigration system is doomed to fail, perhaps the Government would be better served just shutting it down?

Not every immigrant wastes their life in Canada living in miserable conditions. There is no need to generalize to that extent.

 

[wilbur]

Exactly.

I am sure that the standard of living for most of the people after becoming a citizen will not improve if they decide to stay here, simply because they will be again on the long line competing with other Canadians for a single available position which can give them the boost of good standard of living.

Basically they will waste their live here with the hope that some day they will get to the standard of living which they have had before coming here.

Of course they will go back home instead of just waiting and waiting here.

I don't disagree with you. I don't think the citizenship process will provide a better life per se, at the point in time that you apply you should already have settled down and lived here for many years as PR...

Being said that, I don't see a difference between being a PR and a citizen job wise, unless you want to apply for specific positions within the government.

Cheers

 

[MUFC]

I am sure that if there is realistic research which shows the disposable income for the newcomers and the new Canadians after the bills and the debts the general picture for the majority of people will be very scary how much they can really afford.

And yes I am talking about the majority of the immigrants newcomers and new citizens .

 

[torontosm]

I am sure that if there is realistic research which shows the disposable income for the newcomers and the new Canadians after the bills and the debts the general picture for the majority of people will be very scary how much they can really afford.

And yes I am talking about the majority of the immigrants newcomers and new citizens .

I would disagree with that. Regardless, it is not the government's responsibility to provide jobs to every new immigrant. Each person makes their own decision to move to Canada, and hopefully they have done sufficient research to understand what the prospects are for them and what life is like prior to arriving here. It may be easy to blame the government, but it's not always accurate.

 

[CanadianCountry]

It's not government's responsibility to provide jobs. But it's governments responsibility to provide and protect the freedoms of its citizens.

I would disagree with that. Regardless, it is not the government's responsibility to provide jobs to every new immigrant. Each person makes their own decision to move to Canada, and hopefully they have done sufficient research to understand what the prospects are for them and what life is like prior to arriving here. It may be easy to blame the government, but it's not always accurate.

 

[wilbur]

And I think the Government of Canada is doing that, do you think it is restricting your freedom in any way?