Effective date of Bill C24

[screech339]

You have so many likes (at this forum) for a reason.

For my information, do you have the link to the doc which says that US doesn't help it's citizens who have been living out for more than 6 months?

I can provide the link later tomorrow. Right now it's late and time for bed here. I may be wrong on the length of time or even regardless of how long American has been out of US, US government's policy is that they expect americans to help themselves out out of their own expenses. If they cannot afford the expense, the government will bill you for bailing you out. Us government believe you left US out of choice thus not liable to bail you out.

 

[screech339]

Unions at fault, OR, maybe as you say sometimes it's the people's will. So maybe it was the people's will that they wanted to continue with liberals in ontario because they liked the liberal policies so much.

Do you honestly believe that Wynn would win majority government after a dismal financial ruin and poor record without union's help in fear mongering in advertising. Liberal government didn't have to spend any money on it as the union did for them. It was a PC government to lose, not a liberal government to win.

The ontario election was a good example of outside influence on the end results. If the elections was held purely without any outside sources from anyone, strictly on party funding only, the Wynn government would likely lost big time.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Thanks!

And for travel related, that's why they have travel advisories, to prevent their citizens from getting into such situation. If the citizens don't heed to the advice, then who is to be blamed. Canadian govt went way beyond in airlifting them back and not billing them.

I can provide the link later tomorrow. Right now it's late and time for bed here. I may be wrong on the length of time or even regardless of how long American has been out of US, US government's policy is that they expect americans to help themselves out out of their own expenses. If they cannot afford the expense, the government will bill you for bailing you out. Us government believe you left US out of choice thus not liable to bail you out.

 

[screech339]

Another alternative to resolving the issue of canadian of convenient. Change the tax system to that of US. Apply income tax based on citizenship. You are expected to pay worldwide income tax wherever you live and work. That way you can cannot be accuse of shirking your taxes to cover health care in Canada. You would have as much right to Canada health care when you come back since you are paying for it through taxes. Want to get your Canada passport, make sure you are up to par on your taxes. But that approach seems too American. Too invasive on your privacy right? Why should you pay for health care if you are not in Canada using it. Right? That's the argument.

Why do you think ever since Obamacare kicked in, American renouncation fees jumped 4fold. A lot of americans living outside US don't want to pay for Obamacare. Obama saw a high increase in renunciation of American citizenship since obamacare started kicking in. So they decided to make it so much harder and costly to renounce it. They want their money to pay for his failed Obamacare. A lot of Americans that already had health insurance were either losing it, or forced to pay higher fees and get poorer coverage in return.

Why the US government now doubling down on fatco rules. They want their money to pay for obamacare.

A lot of retired Canadians living outside Canada or even PR planning to retire back in home country would think twice of getting Canadian citizenship.

Screech339

 

[CanadianCountry]

I better not say anything on this.

Another alternative to resolving the issue of canadian of convenient. Change the tax system to that of US. Apply income tax based on citizenship. You are expected to pay worldwide income tax wherever you live and work. That way you can cannot be accuse of shirking your taxes to cover health care in Canada. You would have as much right to Canada health care when you come back since you are paying for it through taxes. Want to get your Canada passport, make sure you are up to par on your taxes. But that approach seems too American. Too invasive on your privacy right? Why should you pay for health care if you are not in Canada using it. Right? That's the argument.

Why do you think ever since Obamacare kicked in, American renouncation fees jumped 4fold. A lot of americans living outside US don't want to pay for Obamacare. Obama saw a high increase in renunciation of American citizenship since obamacare started kicking in. So they decided to make it so much harder and costly to renounce it. They want their money to pay for his failed Obamacare. A lot of Americans that already had health insurance were either losing it, or forced to pay higher fees and get poorer coverage in return.

Why the US government now doubling down on fatco rules. They want their money to pay for obamacare.

A lot of retired Canadians living outside Canada or even PR planning to retire back in home country would think twice of getting Canadian citizenship.

Screech339

 

[screech339]

I better not say anything on this.

Why because it is too liberal idea. Too much socialist idea? The bigger the government, the better, right. Isn't that the liberal platform or is that NDP platform. The more government get involved in managing your life, the better.

 

[screech339]

I just find it ironic that when the 13 colonies revolted against England for independence all over taxation without representation. The US now have taxation based on citizenship which forces Americans living outside US most of their lives to pay for taxes without representation. They are doing basically the same thing England did to them.

 

[CanadianCountry]

No not because of that. I don't think people are open to listen other persons opinion. It's my way or the highway for some people.

Got 3 negatives since this morning. Not that I care.

Also, I don't fully agree to your last post as Obamacare is not the reason for recent renunciations. US govt is not running this program on the back of US expats.

Why because it is too liberal idea. Too much socialist idea? The bigger the government, the better, right?

 

[CanadianCountry]

Great point. Really ironical!!

I just find it ironic that when the 13 colonies revolted against England for independence all over taxation without representation. The US now have taxation based on citizenship which forces Americans living outside US most of their lives to pay for taxes without representation. They are doing basically the same thing England did to them.

 

[screech339]

No not because of that. I don't think people are open to listen other persons opinion. It's my way or the highway for some people.

Got 3 negatives since this morning. Not that I care.

Also, I don't fully agree to your last post as Obamacare is not the reason for recent renunciation. US govt is not running this program on the back of US expats.

Oh it is just a coincidence that the renunciation jumped since obamacare. Renunciation rates hasn't changed much for the last 30-40 years until Obama implemented the obamacare.

 

[screech339]

Got 3 negatives since this morning. Not that I care.

Don't worry I got hit with a couple as well. BTW I didn't give you any negatives. I only give negatives to those who give very bad repeated advices to others despite being told corrected. Why would I give negatives to those who are only expressing their thoughts through discussions/debates.

Screech339

 

[CanadianCountry]

Read about the FATCA. Maybe couple of other events took place as Obamacare was implemented, and maybe these other factors are influencing the renunciations.

Oh it is just a coincidence that the renunciation jumped since obamacare. Renunciation rates hasn't changed much for the last 30-40 years until Obama implemented the obamacare.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Oh that's a relief.

Don't worry I got hit with a couple as well. BTW I didn't give you any negatives. I only give negatives to those who give very bad repeated advices to others despite being told corrected. Why would I give negatives to those who are only expressing their thoughts through discussions/debates.

Screech339

 

[screech339]

I get hit with negatives because some people don't like to be told the truth, some think they are entitled to their entitlements. Some don't realized the real cost of PR application process, citizenship process when they think what they pay in fee is the full actual cost, when in fact, taxpayers are paying a good chunk of the cost. What they pay in citizenship fees at 300 (old fee) or PR spousal sponsorship or PGP sponsorship is a steal in comparison to actual cost.

 

[screech339]

Read about the FATCA. Maybe couple of other events took place as Obamacare was implemented, and maybe these other factors are influencing the renunciations.

FATCA is a part of it as well. Again US government didn't crack down on it as much as it did until Obama stepped in. FATCA been around for years long before Obama. Obama only made it worst by forcing foreign countries to comply. Thus hurting more innocent Americans than intended as it was meant to go after tax cheats / tax invaders.