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To anyone that thinks the job of a postie is hard, remember this.

Lifting 40-50 pounds and walking with it in ergonomically designed bags has been a part of the postal carrier lifestyle for several decades. Furthermore, that weight is not considered terribly significant in the occupational health side. Heck, it doesn't even count as a "heavy" bag on airlines.

Most of the individuals working there now have not had significant changes to working conditions (well, no significant negative changes) through the duration of their employment.

They all CHOSE this job. If they didn't like it, they should have CHOSEN something else.

At the moment, they are WAY over compensated if they are earning more than 40-50k per year. Many carriers are done their routes in far less than 8 hours... just something else to consider.
 

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Here is an interesting take on the post office strike.

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/canada-post-strike-residents-ask-really-postman-191200480.html

Evidently the union (CUPW) is taking the decreasing demand for their services to heart, because (half-way down the article) the union head makes some suggestions designed to make life better for Canadian customers, not just make life easier for postal employees.

He recommends services like a trustworthy payment service for Internet purchases, and longer hours for those who work long hours themselves. He doesn’t do the usual union thing: demand shorter hours, higher pay, and better pensions.

Wouldn’t it make sense for both sides to get back to work with the status quo intact, and commit to tabling a firm action plan for implementing these (and other) ideas in 3 months?

Then, if it won’t work, they can resume fighting.
 

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@doctorkb: your post is pretty one-sided (and shortsighted), so only partially true.

Doesn't matter how (ergonomically) the bags are designed and the weight is distributed over and impacting the body, a continuous load of about 20 kg is a heck of a load! Yes, it has been part of their life for decades and it will stay like this for many decades to come. But someone needs to do it!

Yes, they chose this job. But we need people to keep choosing this job, if we want the trade to keep existing (if we want our mail to be delivered). Don't attack postal workers, and after there will be no postal workers left, then suddenly complain that your mail is not delivered!

The comparison with a bag handled by airline personnel is somewhat weird, since it's a different way of handling the load, moving your body while handling the load and the time it takes to handle the load compared to the total amount of time worked.

I don't know if they're overcompensated. 40-50k a year seems like a decent paycheck, nothing more and nothing less. Apart from that I don't make that amount of money at the moment, while I know that my job can be done by unschooled employees with a small amount of in-company training that's been done while working. But at the same time that position is still underpaid to make a decent living out of it. All I can make out of this is that you're jealous of the postal workers and confusing that with what is normal for western standards.



Partially also replying to Toby and the article he stated: I surely think people could use the snail mail less. Mailed cheques are something that are pretty old fashioned, but at the same time I see that my bank is also very behind on on-line paying compared to leading European countries (partly because of provincial security measures, I must add). This with all the respect to Canadian standards, I know that I've been very lucky back in the Netherlands with how far on-line banking has already evolved. Also regular communication I do a lot through email and Skype (and internet community forums). However, I don't think I can ever live without regular snail mail services. Let's think about how nice it is to receive old-fashioned Christmas and birthday cards. Even most of my communication with my girl friend went through Skype and email, I could help sending a rare romantic hand-written letter through snail mail. Also I still order cds and dvd (maybe soon also BluRays) through the internet that I have send at home through mail. If I look at how mail services have evolved, are evolving and could evolve, I can't help but hope that hoping that my daily delivery of mail at home doesn't disappear. Maybe the corner of the street would be an option for my mailbox (which I've seen is already common for more rural areas in Canada), but not further and especially not at the post office. I happens more then often that I work at irregular hours and that I come home hoping to find some mail I was waiting for outside of opening hours (that I'm already pretty lucky with). And with Canada Post I can say I've been already pretty lucky, even when the mailman for package mail has been lazy (or is already overworked on his route?), didn't want to climb one stairs to see if we're home and brought it to the post office, since my nearest post offices are just a few blocks away. If I miss a package from UPS, DHL or Puralator, I have to ask one of my friends to borrow their car, since it's at least 10km shortest or 13km fastest and I'm way too tired to bike this after work!! Not too mention that those company's pick-up centers only close at 18:30, are not open on Saturdays, and that for the second biggest city of Québec province (Québec City)!! Yes, in that case I can be very happy with Canada Post services, locations and operations so far (in the Netherlands I was even lucky enough to receive mail at home on Saturdays too and have the drop-off mailbox emptied on Sundays too).

When looking at what companies and government do in Canada, I can say that indeed more communications could go through email. What I can totally understand is that CIC prefers us sending full applications through mail services rather then through email. I know that I can make up my forms and attachments on my computer in decent looking PDF files. Okay, I admit I have some illegally acquired software for this. Even if I choose open source software, I could reach my goal (even some more frustrations and time, because of limitations and bugs later). I also know is that I am a bit more privileged with computer skills and know-how than the average applicant. Imagining myself in the role of a CIC agent, I would probably see a lot more applications lacking documents, because of applications not knowing how to decently send it through the internet. Already people choose too often to hire immigration lawyers for applications that they can do just fine on their own and get charged big amounts of money. Let's not make ourselves rely too much on other people to send an application Or even if we would, it means more people finding ways to abuse immigrants in fragile situations.

I'll end with this. I think I already spent too much energy and time explaining things that should be more obvious. I'll simply blame it on the mass-media again, brainwashing the people. Today I read Le Devoir and found some nice articles on what's going on with the mail, the opposition in the federal parliament defending the union and many other stuff going around. There's definitely ways to get informed of what's going on. Just don't always fall for the easiest option (especially if the easiest option would be the Sun News Network, but then I would go on rambling over their abusive interview recently and their propaganda on arts fundings. Interested? Start here: On Sun TV and Margie Gillis).


Peace!
Jurjen
 

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The House gave third reading to the bill just after 8 p.m. by a vote of 158-113. The bill, which imposes a four-year contract and certain wage increases on the workers, will go to the Senate on Sunday morning.
 

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I like your response Jurgen. Well thought out. Except for one point. You say:

"Already people choose too often to hire immigration lawyers for applications that they can do just fine on their own and get charged big amounts of money. Let's not make ourselves rely too much on other people to send an application."

Just like you and I agree that we are in no position to judge the true work experience of a postal worker, you are not in a position to judge whether or not an applicant can prepare an application just fine on their own. You are right that MANY people are fine to do it themselves with a little coaching. That's why they come here and that's why I help out. If you go through my posts you will see that I only recommend someone seek legal advice or representation when it's obvious that they don't know what they are doing or are in way over their heads. I've also been around here for a long time and have seen people make huge messes out of their applications which have resulted in a mess in their lives. I know for a fact that many of these messes could have been avoided if they had sought professional help. Now I'm not saying that hiring a lawyer or consultant is going to guarantee you success or that a person couldn't have achieved the same result themselves. However, we are not in a position to judge what their outcome would have been without their representative. At a minimum, preparing a good application requires 3 things:

1. Confidence
2. Knowledge
3. The ability to articulate well in English or French

If you don't have those three things or cannot GAIN in an area that's lacking through research, a person is better off hiring a representative. And keep in mind, I'm talking about GOOD representatives. Not the bottom feeders that would steal money from their own mother.

On average, it takes me between 40 to 80 hours to prepare a spousal sponsorship application for submission, depending on the complexities of each case. This does not include any of the hours spent after it's been submitted to provide anything else that is required or to counsel the clients. That's at least another 10 hours. How much does your mechanic charge you per hour to fix your car? I'll bet it's more that what my hourly rate would work out to.
 

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I agree with you rjessome and if I could do it all over I would have hired an immigration lawyer because my
husband and I were "way over our heads" as far as not knowing what we were doing. If I had started with that it might not have gotten to the point it did. Most people who know us think our case is pretty simple and wonder why he isn't here yet. All our fault for not including important facts and detailed correspondence of when we started talking. We thought it unnecessary at the time and later on it was too late, after the sponsorship papers went to Turkey and my husband had his interview scheduled. It's now been almost two years, appealed their refusal and waiting to hear their decision, which I'm still not entirely sure will be successful as I chose to represent myself (another mistake we agreed on, as it seemed extravagant at the time and we had only a few weeks to prepare after I flew back to Canada from Turkey for my hearing).
So do I think it's worth it in certain cases? Yes I do!!!!! I've got 3rd year university English, basic Turkish language skills and my relationship with my spouse is challenging. But to deal with Canada Immigration wayyyyy harder!!!!!!! If only I could go back in time :(
 

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Hi all,

Is the Canada post going back to work on Monday??

Any ideas??

Thanks :)
 

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Yahoo News story

The government expects the bill to become law on Sunday afternoon and postal employees would be back at work 24 hours later, said Harper press secretary Andrew MacDougall. The first full day of resumed mail service would then be on Tuesday.
I hope I hope I hope!! With ANY luck my fbi check and passport will be here soon and I wanted to send the application to my hubby through the post office!
 

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doctorkb said:
To anyone that thinks the job of a postie is hard, remember this.

Lifting 40-50 pounds and walking with it in ergonomically designed bags has been a part of the postal carrier lifestyle for several decades. Furthermore, that weight is not considered terribly significant in the occupational health side. Heck, it doesn't even count as a "heavy" bag on airlines.

Most of the individuals working there now have not had significant changes to working conditions (well, no significant negative changes) through the duration of their employment.

They all CHOSE this job. If they didn't like it, they should have CHOSEN something else.

At the moment, they are WAY over compensated if they are earning more than 40-50k per year. Many carriers are done their routes in far less than 8 hours... just something else to consider.
Can you walk around carrying 50 pounds? Can you even lift it?

For anyone who'd buying into this crap, go to the nearest gym and grab a 50lb dumbbell, then get back to me...You'll see just how easy that is to lift, let alone carry.
 

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25kg is the maximum health & safety limit for work, so 50lbs is just within. However, it's not fun to have this on your shoulders all day long.

@rjessome: Thanks for your contribution. I do agree with you. People that are too unsure on too many this (going over their head) should definitely contact an immigration lawyer for help. I was mainly referring to strait-forward cases. Those people might just check here and get it done properly. I was mainly talking about that we don't want to create a new dependence on such people (or a completely new trade only for digitalizing applications) just to get a perfectly good application in a digital form to send it.

@boblu: thanks for the update! I took a look and as far as I could see, everyone needs to get back to work on Monday!
 

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@JimM: the carry-on bag I take on airplanes, housing my camera and computer equipment weighs 45 lbs (yes, I have used a scale to determine that). I also have one other bag with me most of the time. My scuba gear weighs in at about 75-100 lbs when it's on my back.

50 lbs on your back/shoulders really isn't that much. Furthermore, the postal bag STARTS at that weight as a maximum, then goes down as the mail is delivered.

@Jurjen: I'd rather pack 50 lbs like a postal carrier than repeatedly lift/move/twist 50 lb bags like aircraft baggage handlers...

As for people perhaps not wanting to choose this career? Good! CanadaPost is already over-employed as well. If they could thin out the union, measures could be taken to reduce the pay to average ~35k -- about the going rate for unskilled labour these days.
 

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doctorkb must have been a mail person for a long time to know so much about how easy it is and what a sweet gig it is.
 

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I've known a few. They most certainly weren't doing a job worth paying more than $35k/year. The hours are short for 11 of 12 months (i.e. 4-6 hour days) and they're given plenty of benefits that are well beyond what the average worker gets -- even if these ones are taken away.
 

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Sorry, I was not aware that knowing a few people working within a profession made you qualify to remark on how easy or hard that job is, and to know what it is that the people working within these professions deserve to make.

In that case, having known a few surgeons, lawyers, and CEOs, I must say they are terribly overpaid.
 

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Iamrobot85 said:
Sorry, I was not aware that knowing a few people working within a profession made you qualify to remark on how easy or hard that job is, and to know what it is that the people working within these professions deserve to make.

In that case, having known a few surgeons, lawyers, and CEOs, I must say they are terribly overpaid.
I'd agree, if it weren't for the liability they're holding.