Canada Post

[kelKel]

Back to work legislation should be in place by next Wed the 22nd.

 

[Inlandappl]

Back to work legislation should be in place by next Wed the 22nd.

Thanks for the info. i hoped that the back to work legislation was going to be sooner, but its ok

 

[Jurjen]

Thanks for the info. i hoped that the back to work legislation was going to be sooner, but its ok

How can you say that? Striking is a fundamental human right and Harper wants to cut in those human rights! I don't want them to get back to work like this, I strongly support the union in that point. If Harper wants to do something useful for the people that are awaiting mail, he should force Canada Post to stop being a pain in the ass and start negociating and resolving issues with the union.

For the moment Canada Post locked out all the employees, so even if they're not allowed to strike anymore, they can't work. So then what? Lock them up in prison (Harper is very pro-prison)? In prison they still can't deliver our mail!

 

[doctorkb]

How can you say that? Striking is a fundamental human right and Harper wants to cut in those human rights!

Striking is NOT a fundamental human right. Striking has been used as a tool to ensure fundamental human rights are met, however it is not, itself, a right. Furthermore, this strike/lockout has nothing to do with human rights and EVERYTHING to do with the greed of the union and their desire to see themselves as more important than the average Canadian.

I don't want them to get back to work like this, I strongly support the union in that point. If Harper wants to do something useful for the people that are awaiting mail, he should force Canada Post to stop being a pain in the ass and start negociating and resolving issues with the union.

Actually, he's doing what needs to be done: he's forcing the UNION to stop being a pain in the ass and start negotiating with the corporation.

The unions in Canada have RARELY acted in good faith. That is fact.

For the moment Canada Post locked out all the employees, so even if they're not allowed to strike anymore, they can't work. So then what? Lock them up in prison (Harper is very pro-prison)? In prison they still can't deliver our mail!

What a joke. They were locked out because even though they were (mostly) showing up for work and getting paid to work, they weren't doing their jobs. The lockout was the necessary response to the crap the union was pulling.

 

[shamsia]

@doctorkb:

Agree with your response! Very direct and to the point cutting through all the crap..My husband works for Canada Post in an administrative position and he totally shares the views you expressed over here!

 

[Jurjen]

Striking is NOT a fundamental human right. Striking has been used as a tool to ensure fundamental human rights are met, however it is not, itself, a right. Furthermore, this strike/lockout has nothing to do with human rights and EVERYTHING to do with the greed of the union and their desire to see themselves as more important than the average Canadian.

From what I know the union is not being too greedy this time. They don't ask any raises in salaries at all. All they did was raise the attention that the new machines that Canada Post ordered don't meet health and safety regulations, which needs to be solved, that work pressure is increasing (20% longer routes, etc.), part-time lockout by only letting mail be delivered 3 days a week and that the corporation lost their pension funds (which is very important when you stop working at only 55 years old). I think if Canada Post would come with a solution for these points, the negotiations would be settled (negotiations that have been initiated by the union, it's the corporation that needs to start participating at the table in stead of saying no to anything in advance).

Striking is surely a right, even though it's a tool. And it's not a tool for greed. The real greed is at the top of Canada Post, saving money on employees, while the CEOs sleep peacefully at night knowing that their HUGE paycheck is not going to be changed anyway.

FYI: Canada Post is spreading a lot of bullshit about the CUPW workers. I didn't get my news just from the union's website, but also from multiple renowned newspapers. Even though I agree with you that there's a whole bunch of shitty syndicates out there, I don't see why CUPW would be so horrible.

 

[YorkFactory]

Striking is NOT a fundamental human right.

To quote the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, section 23(4):

Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Other than striking, how is a trade union to effectively protect its members' interests?

edited to add: Keep in mind that the largest strike that CUPW has carried out during this dispute was the Montreal/Toronto/Mississauga locals. Canada Post is shut down nationwide solely because of a management decision to lock workers out.

 

[awor]

I think both the union and Canada Post are in the wrong. They're both only digging their heels in, not because they think they are right, but because they don't want to conceded the might be. Compromise should not take this long to come to. It sounds like the people doing the talking and deciding (on both sides) need to be replaced.

 

[Inlandappl]

How can you say that? Striking is a fundamental human right and Harper wants to cut in those human rights! I don't want them to get back to work like this, I strongly support the union in that point. If Harper wants to do something useful for the people that are awaiting mail, he should force Canada Post to stop being a pain in the ass and start negociating and resolving issues with the union.

For the moment Canada Post locked out all the employees, so even if they're not allowed to strike anymore, they can't work. So then what? Lock them up in prison (Harper is very pro-prison)? In prison they still can't deliver our mail!

I'm sorry Jurjen, but i don't agree with you. i read all the posts & messages from the Unions , even from postal workers that don't agree with this strike and from Canada post corporation. 26 dollars a hour doesn't seem a bad pay, that's what they are paid now. i know there are other issues, new employment with different benefits, etc but an enterprise in this capitalist world(yes, that is the society we live in) works with profits and if there is no profit then all those jobs are not even worth 26 dollars a hour they are worth nothing because the enterprise will cease to exist. you cannot negotiate just for the sake of negotiating, if something is unjust it is unjust both for canada post both for the unions. I don't agree with the lockout operation from Canada post though. i know that what i say may seem not politically correct but thats what i think and i wouldn't have voted for Harper neither

 

[sahibzada_2010]

Sallam everyone.

I have sent my wife application to Mississauga on June 8, 2011 from Calgary and now its stuck in the Mississauga mail cargo becuase of the Canada Post strike. Its already been10 days since I have sent the application. I am very sad and depressed of Canada post strike. My wife sponsorship documents are there and I sent them through priority service next A.M delivering guaranteed. I paid $49 to delivered on time. I don't know what should I do now? I am very sad and the strike + my wife sponsorship documents made me = sick and cry all the time. I cried so much of the Canada Post strike. I wish the strike will end soon.

I am scared if the documents will get lost or whatsoever. Please guys give me some info about that.... I am so depressed that I cannot even sleep.

To everyone as you may be know, Canada Post is on lock out and please don not send your documents. They will stuck in the Cargo forever. Wait till they called the strike over.

Thanks and pray for the Canada Post strike to be over soon.

 

[Iamrobot85]

Man sahibzada_2010, that sucks. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to be going through this process during a strike. It was hard enough even when the mail was running normally! I finished mine up just in time.

I hope this gets wrapped up soon.

 

[Jurjen]

@Sahibzada: I don't think your mail will be lost. As for new mail: Canada Post doesn't accept new items.
What you could do is file for a refund of your 49$, because it didn't arrive on time. Use this form: https://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/ccm/personal/claim?execution=e1s1

 

[doctorkb]

To quote the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, section 23(4):Other than striking, how is a trade union to effectively protect its members' interests?

edited to add: Keep in mind that the largest strike that CUPW has carried out during this dispute was the Montreal/Toronto/Mississauga locals. Canada Post is shut down nationwide solely because of a management decision to lock workers out.

1. we're talking about a labour union, not a trade union.

2. a labour union's strength is in numbers. The principle is that you don't have one weak employee undercutting the "fair" wage or "appropriate" working conditions that the others have fought for, nor do you have inequitable treatment of one individual because the boss likes him/her. They may, on occasion, use a strike to make their point better heard by management, however that is not the basis for a labour union's power.

If you take a good look at what the CUPW members are upset with and what they're getting for compensation already, you'll be pretty upset it has gotten to where it has. The bottom line is that we, as Canadians (or residents of Canada), are paying for this gross overcompensation. They need to be reined in... unfortunately the ones that suffer most for this are the CUPW employees who will be without pay.

I have not seen a time in recent history where the improvement in compensation has even come close to paying for the days of missed pay.

 

[boblu]

i have been a member of unions all my life in Canada and over the last few years the demands have got carried away. When times were good for companies they gave them good pensions or sick days. In this case BOTH, with the down turn in the economy the companies are finding out they can not compete and the cost of service is going up, unions were good years ago and in some cases still do a service to there membership as well as to the company. they allow the company to deal with one organization and not all of the work force this saves money BUT when the demands out way the company profits it is time to stop the demands before the company goes under And it has happen in Canada the company has decided to shutdown do to high labour cost. Government employees believe they can keep making large demands and us the tax payers will keep paying more for them it is time to stop. You can not pay the people who work for you (in this case postal workers) more than you making your self in a industrial job that bring money into the country

pensions have change and they will they have to understand they are not high skill workers they deliver the mail and that is all they do

 

[atethepaint]

Whether striking is a right or not, it is a legally-recognized means of collective bargaining in Canada. I have lived in countries where no unions exist (ironically enough, Russia) and the greed of corporate owners is appalling.

Normally I am a pro-union guy, this time, however, I'm against this lockout but for personal reasons. My sponsorship application was sent back to me to fix a mistake, and for the past 3 weeks it's been holed up in some Canada Post collection point. I just want to get the package, fix the mistake, and send it back so I can get this damn visa on the move. I applied April 27 and now it's nearly 2 months later and I'm no closer to getting approval.