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Brutal Winter and a Jobless Immigrant family

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jhutti said:
HSMP scheme was a good for high skill in UK. What was your problem with that scheme. I came to uk on HSMP scheme only. Lived their 5 years, got ILR also. My income was close to 50 GBP per annum. It is other story I left UK for Canadian PR due to family reasons. Both places have their own pro & cons. UK kids education , Cambridge neighbourhood & health system was all great. Canada is also fine.
I said most of the immigrants. Not all of them. Most HSMP and Tier 1 immigrants I know in the UK are actually doing minimum wage jobs which isn't enough to reach income threshold. The flaw in the Tier 1 system is that people need not have legitimate work experience in a legitimate business in order to qualify for the visa, they only need to show certain income level so these minimum wage workers manufactured income as a self employed on top of their actual income and paid tax required to obtain visa.
 

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Ive been on PSW in UK (and worked for 10pounds/hr unskilled work)
Currently in US (waiting for H1b) which is a gamble coz they think our future can be decided based on a lottery..

Only reason why I like the Canadian system,they seem to give a chance; if you have the correct skills and education background.. So currently all my hopes are on this new EE system. Also taxes in the US depends on the state and the type of visa you are on.. currently I'm paying over 34% tax here in California and all i do is use their public roads.. No free healthcare here NO other benefits if ur a foreigner..

So Canada could just be a case of green pastures.. (the grass is always greener on the other side eh?)
 

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carl321 said:
Ive been on PSW in UK (and worked for 10pounds/hr unskilled work)
Currently in US (waiting for H1b) which is a gamble coz they think our future can be decided based on a lottery..

Only reason why I like the Canadian system,they seem to give a chance; if you have the correct skills and education background.. So currently all my hopes are on this new EE system. Also taxes in the US depends on the state and the type of visa you are on.. currently I'm paying over 34% tax here in California and all i do is use their public roads.. No free healthcare here NO other benefits if ur a foreigner..

So Canada could just be a case of green pastures.. (the grass is always greener on the other side eh?)
well grass is always greener on the otherside....I think US is better not in terms of immigration but job and career wise. only thing good about canada is its immigration(which they screwed up with EE). I was in US for 10 years working . I am struggling here in canada job wise. Canadian employers dont understand how to hire. Talent is wasted preference is given to firends/family members of hiring manager. So if u just wish to get PR then yes Canada is good. canada is way more expensive than US.
 
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Jaxon911

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mead said:
well grass is always greener on the otherside....I think US is better not in terms of immigration but job and career wise. only thing good about canada is its immigration(which they screwed up with EE). I was in US for 10 years working . I am struggling here in canada job wise. Canadian employers dont understand how to hire. Talent is wasted preference is given to firends/family members of hiring manager. So if u just wish to get PR then yes Canada is good. canada is way more expensive than US.
In that sense, UK is also good. I mean there are decent job opportunities especially in and around London. Skilled jobs are not too hard to find. On the other side, there are too many people without skills so minimum wage jobs are actually hard to find here!

Problem here is that most immigrants in the UK are not skilled, and don't have any meaningful work experience. On the other hand in Canada, I think problem is different from what I've heard / seen so far. Many immigrants with good academic background, experience and skills are also struggling to find a job.

I've also heard about / seen similar cases in Australia. I think in countries like Canada and Australia, there simply isn't enough demand to match the supply of immigrants.
 

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Jaxon911 said:
In that sense, UK is also good. I mean there are decent job opportunities especially in and around London. Skilled jobs are not too hard to find. On the other side, there are too many people without skills so minimum wage jobs are actually hard to find here!

Problem here is that most immigrants in the UK are not skilled, and don't have any meaningful work experience. On the other hand in Canada, I think problem is different from what I've heard / seen so far. Many immigrants with good academic background, experience and skills are also struggling to find a job.

I've also heard about / seen similar cases in Australia. I think in countries like Canada and Australia, there simply isn't enough demand to match the supply of immigrants.
in canada there is a mismatch. there r jobs for skilled workers but people getting hired may not be skilled. so talent goes waste. meaning MBA is working as a machinist and a person who should be a machinist is a financial analyst. Ofcourse I am exaggerating a little but u get the point. I have seen computer engineer getting job as a logistic analyst.
 
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Ive being applying for a lot of jobs in Canada and theres no positive feedback at all.. not even a single email.. in the US you apply and you will hear back from them for sure( which is great).

As far as UK goes; yes i agree with you.. Too many illegal immigrants in the UK and they are ruining the country.. however they will end up being legal citizens in the 10-15yrs and going odd jobs and claiming all the possible benefits from the government.. people who paid over $60k for their education in the country are forced to leave the country..

UK and US could do so much better if they actually come up with a plan to keep the best and brightest in the country unfortunately their immigration system is broken.. US has finally realized this and Obama is trying to fix it but the senate will never allow this to happen.. (yes politics is dirty anywhere in the world)

The Current h1b system is great for crooks and they have found all the loopholes in the system and playing it to their advantage...

Example: theres a trend of consultancy companies called (referred to as) Desi consultancies.. their job role is to target recent international graduates and make fake resumes for them.. they will advertise these resumes in huge companies and train the graduate with very basic knowledge of the job and put them inside the company... they will get a rate of $40-60 per hr and pay the consultant around $20-25 on the promise of filling them for h1b.. they also have multiple companies and multiple profiles will be submitted in the hope that the lottery will pick them up.. 80-90% they are successful..

legal graduate who might even graduate from a school like Yale or harvard will also fall in the same group but they won't get picked and end up going back home..

So thats the so called immigration system in the US.. just supports the fraudsters rather than the honest hard working person...
 

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Well guys living in Canada from past one year I can say that to get a job is hard and this is due to many factors.I have seen immigrants here who come from many countries and have to study again here because Employers look for Canadian education and Canadian work experience.For most of the immigrants initial three to four years go into studying again and looking for suitable jobs.It is very important how you network and how good your soft skills are.
 

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Hi guys,

Looking at this excitement about applying for PR reminding me and my family of years ago when we was as excited as you guys applying for Permanent Resident. I still remember the date I got my PR visas for the entire family, it was like we are going to a paradise, it was the best day in our life, we was so happy.

But now the reality of a broken dream in Canada is killing us day by day. Since the day we landed in this land, supposed to be our dream new home, we have sent countless of job applications. We followed all the advices, we volunteered and work for free and being exploited till we could not stand any more. My wife and I both took turn going back to school and spent the last dollar of savings into our last investment in a hope of landing a white collar job. We are not looking for jobs that pay 100K, all we need is a decent white collar job that we do not have to hide our qualifications and experience back home, a job that feed our family and do not leave our back so painful we cannot sleep at night. Over 3 years since we are here, all we have are surviving jobs, we shoved snow, cut grass, cleaned toilet, watched over shops at night in dangerous areas, yet we are not able to save any money and we spent all our hard earned money we got before we came to Canada. We want our parents here to help taking care of the kids while we upgrade ourselves but the insurance cost of super visa is forbidden barrier and it is almost impossible to sponsor them to Canada, even the 5000 lucky people submitting application on the 1st day of the year when application is opened and earn tons of $$ to meet the income requirements need to wait over 10 years till the time their parent can come to Canada as PR.

The market here is simply too small and there is absolutely no white collar job for immigrants unless you already have family or friends who are in the position of hiring you. People here are nice but this is simply too small an economy to absorb the huge number of skilled immigrants each year. Canada has been admitting a quarter of million skilled workers every year over the past decades and if you look at the number of jobs created last year, you know where those people will end up to. Canada now is not like Canada in the 1980s and 1990s, the number of jobs created each year barely match the number of local graduates and schools here increase the intake year by year because international students is a huge source of their revenue. I am totally shocked at why the government keep adding too many skilled immigrants to the country every year despite the brutal reality and hardship that these immigrants have to go to. This is clearly inhumane and misleading. Many families from other countries are leaving everything behind in the false hope of a better life in Canada just to realize that there is nothing for them here and they have to clean toilet, wash dishes or drive taxi. No matter if you have PhD or are managers back home, there is nothing for you here to use your skills and knowledge.

If the purpose is to recruit foreign skilled workers to do labourer job then what about Canadian youth who are jobless and desperate to earn some money to pay back their tuition loan? I totally do not understand the system, it is completely a scam and it is brutal. Just last week I was laid off from my security guard job, turned out that it was filled by another young immigrant. I am pretty sure he get less than what I earned which is just slightly above the minimum wage for a night shift job. And now the winter is brutal, and our family is turning to meagre social assistant and EI that is hardly enough to put foot on the table. We do not know what to do, it is harsh here. We want to go back, but the thought of being looked at like a "loser" make us feel so painful. Everyday I look at the snow, I just feel like we made the worst decision to leave everything behind and we are paying for that decision.
People who got PR without much efforts have no values for it

only a student knows the values of PR
 

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SDHILLON1986 said:
People who got PR without much efforts have no values for it

only a student knows the values of PR

hahahaha..you are funny! And completely wrong..what makes you say that? Student life, easy life! I look back when I was a student many years ago. We had fun all day and night. Parties, booze, girls.. You probably do something wrong here.

What effort are you talking anyway? You either qualify and get PR or you do not.
 

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I think his point, although badly made, is that for those of us on here who are desperately trying to get our PR and continue with lives we have built in Canada, it doesn't help to hear someone who got PR under the old rules and doesn't like the cold winters here complaining that he can't get a job but doesn't want to go home because he's afraid that people there will think he is a "looser"
 

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Those people who used to get PR under easy liberal rules in many years ago are those who have severely low skills, they will never be able to get PR today under new stricter rules. So yeah, they complain because they cannot get a job and because they are not qualified or skillful enough to land a job. But those who survive the new EE systems must be good enough to get a job easily in Canada. There are more jobs in Canada than in India, USA, Australia etc, if you cannot get a job here where can you het a job then?
 

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Sometimes it's just frustrating. We applied for cec but it got returned because of reaching the cap. In the meantime we were under implied status while waiting for the bowp. Last week we got declined for the bowp because of having no aor. At least it bought us some time. The employer has advertised on job bank and tomorrow the 28 days are over and they can send the application to Service Canada. In the meantime we don't have an income, our son can't go to high school. Both our employers are devastated because they can't find any Canadians which are willing/capable to do our jobs. This is not a good situation for anybody. SC in Ontario takes 6-8 weeks to issue a LMIA which is not to bad compared to other provinces. Until then we are in survival modus and I might have to fly back to Europe to work there. If I can find a job because the European economy is still not amazing and lot of unemployment, so no idea if I will find a temporary job.
Until then fingers crossed that we get our LMIA which gives us also more then enough points for Express Entry.
 

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heartbreaking story. but this is case to case basis.
I know someone who landed a job 5 days after arriving in toronto.

maybe not a job of his expertise when he was not yet in canada
but it will be a good start up for their new life.

My friend migrated in seskatchewan a year ago, two weeks in, he worked as a valet parking attendant and his wife was a caregiver.
2 months in canada, upon obtaining credit, they got their first car. now renting a descent two bedroom house. which they could have never achieved in our home country even if they worked 24 hrs a day even with their bachelor degrees..
my friend now works in a different industry with better pay last time i talked to him.


if you are a manager from your country of origin, you should never expect you will land the same job or industry especially if you are from a regulated industry like healthcare or engineering. most if not all immigrants start from scratch unless their is a job waiting for you already. like any other country ,canadians would still be priority when it comes to employment.
most of my relatives who came to the US had a decent life back home before they went to the US. they still chased the american dream though , it took them almost 15 years to have their own homes , work odd jobs, and supported themselves to go to school and eventually land a better job... my uncle had his own food business before he migrated, had two maids, a driver and several employees. e wrote checks twice a week. he arrived in the US alone, lived in garage converted into a room. he wanted to go home barely a month in this new foreign country, worked as parking attendant, worked at a convenience store at night. 25 years later he is now retired going back and forth from his home country and his adopted country.
 

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One thing FPNC said is absolutely correct.. "if you are from a regulated industry" then it can be harder to find exactly what you want or need. My job industry is not regulated in Canada and based on my experience, I got snapped up almost immediately.

Regulated in Ontario
http://settlement.org/ontario/employment/professions-and-trades/regulated/which-professions-are-regulated-in-ontario/

Unregulated in Ontario
http://settlement.org/ontario/employment/professions-and-trades/unregulated/which-professions-are-unregulated-in-ontario/
 

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polara69 said:
One thing FPNC said is absolutely correct.. "if you are from a regulated industry" then it can be harder to find exactly what you want or need. My job industry is not regulated in Canada and based on my experience, I got snapped up almost immediately.

Regulated in Ontario
http://settlement.org/ontario/employment/professions-and-trades/regulated/which-professions-are-regulated-in-ontario/

Unregulated in Ontario
http://settlement.org/ontario/employment/professions-and-trades/unregulated/which-professions-are-unregulated-in-ontario/
yup. I have a cousin in alberta who was a head nurse back home.
equivalent to a supervisory position.
he went to canada via the live in caregiver program after 2 years he became PR and he had to do some schooling first
and eventually landed in a home care as a LPN or licensed practical nurse which is only equivalent to a nurse aide in our country of origin.

if you look at it, my cousin was already a registered nurse, graduated cum laude 4 years bachelor degree. with 5 years or so exp yet he started as a caregiver and had to go back to school to be a license practical nurse which is in our country you can finished in two years.
but since canadian healthcare has a different setting and standards. he told me if he wants to become a true registered nurse he has to study again for 2 or 3 years max and challenge the canadian board exams.

me and my wife are FSW applicants,i am a nurse and she is an hr practicioner. degree holders and some 5 years work exp in our home country, if God willing canada is for us, I would not expect to immediately to work in the industry we are in. start from the bottom. possible opportunities ahead are still better than the current situation where we are right now.

while the thread starter has maybe a different and unfortunate case but i have read that he is looking for a white collar job. im not sure what province he is in though.