Age Difference

[Halfmoon]

Ohhhhhhh one more negative.....Geee I wonder who clicked on the negative bar with such mighty conviction? ;D

Please I ask of you, call up your VO and let them know how discriminating they are because they are following protocol and performing due diligence because a couple is nearly 3 decades apart in age difference. Please oh please.

 

[frege]

......and here comes her/his 5 page response.

Don't worry. I won't waste my breath on someone who insults rather than discusses.

 

[Halfmoon]

Don't worry.

What gave you the impression anyone here was worried?

I won't waste my breath

You already have....over 4 pages.

on someone who insults rather than discusses.

Actually , any reasonable person reading this thread would have to dissagree. It appears everyone was making a pointless attempt to have a mature discussion HOWEVER you have insulted the Canadian visa officers by accusing them of discrimination, being racists and of prejudice along with telling me to move to the Saudi. If you don't believe me, go and reread ALL of the posts again!

I have only pointed out the obvious but again I wouldn't have expected for you to appreciate the facts and truth. Victims never do.

 

[frege]

Sure founding a family is a right... but bringing a foreign citizen as a resident into Canada is most definitely a privilege. It is NOT a basic human right that all foreigners be allowed to immigrate to Canada, whether or not they have family here.

Also i still don't see where the discrimination is coming from. Nobody at all is suggesting a marriage is fraudulent and will be outright rejected just due to age and age alone. All that is being said is that most likely the CIC will NOT waive the interview process for a couple with a big age difference. Remember EVERYONE who submits a PR application is subject to have an interview... so please don't go crying "discrimination" when people actually go to an interview since this is a natural part of the PR process... whatever the VO decides the reason is to not waive it.

I agree that there's no general right to immigrate. But in my view, there is a right to family reunification. How can you have a right to found a family with the person of your choosing if the family can't be together in either of the two people's countries?

I'm not arguing that the right should be absolute, in cases of serious criminality, etc. But I feel any humane society must ethically allow families to be together.

You say that an interview does not constitute discrimination even if the reason you're getting it is because of your or your partner's age, race, religion, etc. An interview constitutes unfavourable treatment in this case - you are being subjected to scrutiny other people aren't on the basis of your race, age, etc. Not only that, but you are being scrutinized specifically on the basis that you are considered a risk for being dishonest. Therefore the government is saying something negative about you. The government should have non-discriminatory grounds for saying this. And there have been many cases where the process is degrading to the participants. I've mentioned this.

It would be easy for the government to implement a non-discriminatory policy based only on evidence of communication, proof of cohabitation, etc. Interviews would focus on how well the couple knew each other, rather than the frequently irrelevant and discriminatory considerations they do now. This system would work and would not subject people to the demeaning treatment they often still face.

 

[frege]

You already have....over 4 pages.

With people who are actually interested in giving their opinions, like Rob_TO. Not someone like you who insults.

along with telling me to move to the Saudi.

After you said I was unpatriotic because I disagree with the government. As I said, I have a right to disagree with the government without my patriotism being questioned by you. If you disagree, I do feel you would be more at home in a dictatorship.

 

[Halfmoon]

With people who are actually interested in giving their opinions, like Rob_TO. Not someone like you who insults.

After you said I was unpatriotic because I disagree with the government. As I said, I have a right to disagree with the government without my patriotism being questioned by you. If you disagree, I do feel you would be more at home in a dictatorship.

You didn't dissagree. You A-C-C-U-S-E-D. Capish, comprendre?

Think it's time for you to go put on the white straight jacket and admit yourself.

Sometimes the truth can feel like an insult because it hits home doesn't it? :

 

[Ttcdfolk]

Hi Happy Wife,

I'd like you to know that Pierre Trudeau, the prime minister of Canada, married Margaret Sinclair in 1971, while he was in office. He was 51 and she was 22. If it's good for them, it's good for you.

Some people here may object that Margaret Trudeau was Canadian, hence exempt from official investigation of her relationship. In that case, there is always Carla Bruni and Nicolas Sarkozy. I'll bet you anything that when she was naturalized as a French citizen, that country's authorities never asked her what she saw in him, even though about 90% of the French population was asking this very question.

Charlie Chaplen also married a 14 year old when he was 44 something so what's your point. Still brings up flags doesn't it.

 

[frege]

Charlie Chaplen also married a 14 year old when he was 44 something so what's your point. Still brings up flags doesn't it.

Did he do it to get into another country or do you just disapprove?

In fact, I think you've proved my point. The mere disapproval of a visa officer can all too easily be dressed up as a claim that a relationship isn't genuine.

 

[Halfmoon]

Charlie Chaplen also married a 14 year old when he was 44 something so what's your point. Still brings up flags doesn't it.

TTCDFOLK. Exactly!

As I previously said, it's pointless to reason with the unreasonable.

 

[Halfmoon]

In fact, I think you've proved my point. The mere disapproval of a visa officer can all too easily be dressed up as a claim that a relationship isn't genuine.

You have no point. You're all over the map.

This thread was not about them dissaproving the application. It was about performing a level of due diligence due to age gaps to ensure the genuineness of a couple.

Then you went crying Discrimination, Racist, Prejudice.

 

[Ttcdfolk]

Did he do it to get into another country or do you just disapprove?

In fact, I think you've proved my point. The mere disapproval of a visa officer can all too easily be dressed up as a claim that a relationship isn't genuine.

Like I said before I have lived in China for the past 10 years, and I have seen 65 year old men go out with 20 something year old girls. Was the relationship real? Yes, but one of them told me once that she would be leaving him as soon as she got her citizenship in the U.K. I told the guy what she told me and he was just too blind to see it. I guess a visa officer wouldn't be.

 

[Ttcdfolk]

Oh on to the future, 4 years later she had her citizenship, they WERE divorced, but she came back to China go figure it wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

 

[Halfmoon]

Precisely the point of why they put more scrutinity with these types of red flags.

Nothing wrong with it.

Not in any category of discrimination.

 

[frege]

Like I said before I have lived in China for the past 10 years, and I have seen 65 year old men go out with 20 something year old girls. Was the relationship real? Yes, but one of them told me once that she would be leaving him as soon as she got her citizenship in the U.K. I told the guy what she told me and he was just too blind to see it. I guess a visa officer wouldn't be.

You won't find me saying anywhere that that kind of thing doesn't exist.

But if you read appeal cases you will see how often visa officers make mistakes and how devastating the consequences can be for legitimate couples. Even those who are accepted by visa officers are often subjected to intrusive personal questioning and insinuations first.

I feel lucky that our couple is fairly typical and that my wife is from a rich country. Otherwise it's hit-and-miss whether you're going to be treated unfairly.

 

[Ttcdfolk]

And honestly that is a very big plus for you, she is from a rich country, where fake marriages aren't that common. A high percent of marriages and spousal visas are denided in hong kong cause of all the fake marriages in mainland China.