Age Difference

[Rob_TO]

What if historical stats showed that certain ethnic groups committed more crimes? Should the police treat them differently?

On the topic... if one country in particular had an extremely high rate of fraud for immigration, i would fully expect that country's applications to be scrutinized and personal interviews requested at a much higher level than other countries. So in this case they should be treated differently. Try applying for car insurance... you be be charged very different rates depending on your age, sex, location and accident history.

I think you are mistaking the "rights" of people vs "privilege". It's your "right" to walk down a street and not be harassed by the police just because you fit a certain racial profile. However immigration to Canada is NOT a right. It's a privilege that one must earn. Once you submit that PR application, you open yourself up to as much intense scrutiny as deemed necessary by the government in order to prevent fraud.

Having to go for an interview due to a big age difference in partners is certainly not discriminatory. Interviews are part of the regular process and due diligence. Every time the CIC waives an interview, they are taking a calculated risk.
What WOULD be discrimination, is if a VO was following some rule such as "an age difference of 30 yrs or more means automatic rejection". However i'm sure this doesn't happen, and in even the most extreme of age-difference cases they applicant gets to have an interview to state their case. In the end i'm sure lots of rejections are due to the gut feeling of the VO or if some answers seem fishy or staged... and it's several factors together (including age) that leads to a final rejection.

 

[frege]

On the topic... if one country in particular had an extremely high rate of fraud for immigration, i would fully expect that country's applications to be scrutinized and personal interviews requested at a much higher level than other countries. So in this case they should be treated differently. Try applying for car insurance... you be be charged very different rates depending on your age, sex, location and accident history.

I think you are mistaking the "rights" of people vs "privilege". It's your "right" to walk down a street and not be harassed by the police just because you fit a certain racial profile. However immigration to Canada is NOT a right. It's a privilege that one must earn. Once you submit that PR application, you open yourself up to as much intense scrutiny as deemed necessary by the government in order to prevent fraud.

Having to go for an interview due to a big age difference in partners is certainly not discriminatory. Interviews are part of the regular process and due diligence. Every time the CIC waives an interview, they are taking a calculated risk.
What WOULD be discrimination, is if a VO was following some rule such as "an age difference of 30 yrs or more means automatic rejection". However i'm sure this doesn't happen, and in even the most extreme of age-difference cases they applicant gets to have an interview to state their case. In the end i'm sure lots of rejections are due to the gut feeling of the VO or if some answers seem fishy or staged... and it's several factors together (including age) that leads to a final rejection.

I'm sure that police who practice racial profiling have some similar argument. The problem is that it is an affront to the dignity of the people targeted.

And founding a family is a right. It is contained in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

So while Canada has the right to control its borders, this must be balanced against the right to family reunification.

Edit: Also, I don't necessarily agree with your distinction between right and privilege. Discrimination isn't allowed just because we might be talking about a privilege. Gaining employment with a company is a privilege, not a right. Yet if they don't hire you because of your age, your race, etc., that is discrimination.

 

[amikety]

On the topic... if one country in particular had an extremely high rate of fraud for immigration, i would fully expect that country's applications to be scrutinized and personal interviews requested at a much higher level than other countries. So in this case they should be treated differently. Try applying for car insurance... you be be charged very different rates depending on your age, sex, location and accident history.

I think you are mistaking the "rights" of people vs "privilege". It's your "right" to walk down a street and not be harassed by the police just because you fit a certain racial profile. However immigration to Canada is NOT a right. It's a privilege that one must earn. Once you submit that PR application, you open yourself up to as much intense scrutiny as deemed necessary by the government in order to prevent fraud.

Having to go for an interview due to a big age difference in partners is certainly not discriminatory. Interviews are part of the regular process and due diligence. Every time the CIC waives an interview, they are taking a calculated risk.
What WOULD be discrimination, is if a VO was following some rule such as "an age difference of 30 yrs or more means automatic rejection". However i'm sure this doesn't happen, and in even the most extreme of age-difference cases they applicant gets to have an interview to state their case. In the end i'm sure lots of rejections are due to the gut feeling of the VO or if some answers seem fishy or staged... and it's several factors together (including age) that leads to a final rejection.

Very nice post.

 

[Halfmoon]

Edit: Also, I don't necessarily agree with your distinction between right and privilege. Discrimination isn't allowed just because we might be talking about a privilege. Gaining employment with a company is a privilege, not a right. Yet if they don't hire you because of your age, your race, etc., that is discrimination.

I was going to leave this alone but here goes.

One has total freedom of choice to marry whomsoever they want (this is called a right) HOWEVER for you to continually disrespect the Canadian Government and categorize them as being discriminatory is outright unpatriotic. FYI, Immigration officers are mandated under immigration law to adhere to the set standards and protocols of the Immigration Act. Canada is considered to be one of the safest countries in the world and it is totally appropriate for them to screen applicants and perform a due diligence process which includes questioning an age gap between applicants ensuring that ppl who enter into marriage with a Canadian are for genuine reasons and not for convenience in order to gain status. Canada is high on the list of most desired country to live in and our borders are protected by officers who enforce the laws so that our country is safeguarded by those who could pose as a threat.

Now with that said, no one here has said that it is not possible or even inappropriate to be in a relationship with someone who is 20+ their senior BUT clearly it isn't the norm and a level of due diligence needs to be done to ensure that these cases are genuine. Not discriminating whatsoever. In court, anything that doesn't pass the test of "beyond a reasonable" doubt will be put under a microscope. Are you also calling the entire Canadian law system discriminating?

Wow, 4 threads of this nonsensical mumbo jumbo. Not sure if you are the sponsor or applicant but show Canada some respect and give it a rest.

 

[frege]

I was going to leave this alone but here goes.

One has total freedom of choice to marry whomsoever they want (this is called a right) HOWEVER for you to continually disrespect the Canadian Government and categorize them as being discriminatory is outright unpatriotic.

I maintain that it's discrimination. It's not unpatriotic to disagree with something the government does. You have a profoundly un-Canadian attitude in claiming that dissent is wrong.

If you want to live in a country where criticizing the government is considered wrong, then please move to Saudi Arabia.

 

[Happywife08]

Sticking to the topic, we are talking only about AGE here.

And as I said, i see absolutely no problem in having an excessive age difference raise an automatic red flag. I think its one of the more common areas of immigration fraud, where younger foreign men/women seek out older unmarried or divorced Canadians as they know they are vulnerable and looking for a partner... in order to gain citizenship.

Thank you for your post.

Still amazes me how people right away assume that!!! No saying you did. But in general people who does... They see a couple like my hubby and I... Oh she is with her for citizenship or money like someoje else said here... And sure I know why there is some people who does and that's why to me doesn't matter, through our 4 years together we have experienced it many times... The funny thing is that people see a couple with a small age difference or none at all and that is considerer "normal" hahaha and then 2 years later you find out she/ he wanted him/ her for his/her money. But nobody saw that coming but why not because of age!!! Hahaha... Has nothing to do with age it has to do with who you are. If you are a honest person or you are a gold digger!!! In my case I'm proud of saying I have my own bussiness which I created by myself when I was 18and thankfully does really good!!!! But I think this our society will never get over it. I olost my hope!!!

But well It's all over the world so even in my country on the news so many (hate to say it but most of them Northamericans ) who get marry just to get citizenship. Since in my country you can apply for citizenship after six months of marriage...

 

[Happywife08]

I really really appreciate every single comment!!! Good or bad haha!!!
All this info thought me many things... Now we know what we are going to face!!! I guess it's the same everywhere.... All we can do and will do it's present our appl and our documents, we know what we got it's genuine and we can prove it if they want the proofs!!! Hopefullyi it all works out !!! It would be great!!! But no matter what like my hubby told me last night after reading the posts with me!!! We will be together wheter is here or somewhere else!!!
Who doesn't hide anything doesn't have nothing to fear!!!

Merry Christmas everyone!!! And to the ones who will be putting on their appli i wish you the best of lucks!!!

P.s thank you Frege!!!

 

[frege]

I really really appreciate every single comment!!! Good or bad haha!!!
All this info thought me many things... Now we know what we are going to face!!! I guess it's the same everywhere.... All we can do and will do it's present our appl and our documents, we know what we got it's genuine and we can prove it if they want the proofs!!! Hopefullyi it all works out !!! It would be great!!! But no matter what like my hubby told me last night after reading the posts with me!!! We will be together wheter is here or somewhere else!!!
Who doesn't hide anything doesn't have nothing to fear!!!

Merry Christmas everyone!!! And to the ones who will be putting on their appli i wish you the best of lucks!!!

P.s thank you Frege!!!

You're welcome.

As a practical matter, I hope that if you submit enough evidence of communication, cohabitation, etc., you'll be okay. But as you know, people are the same everywhere.

 

[amikety]

Thank you for your post.

Still amazes me how people right away assume that!!! No saying you did. But in general people who does... They see a couple like my hubby and I... Oh she is with her for citizenship or money like someoje else said here... And sure I know why there is some people who does and that's why to me doesn't matter, through our 4 years together we have experienced it many times... The funny thing is that people see a couple with a small age difference or none at all and that is considerer "normal" hahaha and then 2 years later you find out she/ he wanted him/ her for his/her money. But nobody saw that coming but why not because of age!!! Hahaha... Has nothing to do with age it has to do with who you are. If you are a honest person or you are a gold digger!!! In my case I'm proud of saying I have my own bussiness which I created by myself when I was 18and thankfully does really good!!!! But I think this our society will never get over it. I olost my hope!!!

But well It's all over the world so even in my country on the news so many (hate to say it but most of them Northamericans ) who get marry just to get citizenship. Since in my country you can apply for citizenship after six months of marriage...

The real problem isn't the age difference. The problem is fraudsters and scammers. History is littered with happy couples of different ages. Ever seen the movie Harold and Maude?

If this helps at all, I know three couples with 15+ year age difference that were approved for immigration to Canada and all were under the average processing times. As others have said, the best thing you can do is prove to CIC your relationship is genuine.

We all have our own unique challenges with Immigration, but we make it through

 

[sunsun]

Love....oh....Love.... ;D

 

[Rob_TO]

And founding a family is a right. It is contained in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Sure founding a family is a right... but bringing a foreign citizen as a resident into Canada is most definitely a privilege. It is NOT a basic human right that all foreigners be allowed to immigrate to Canada, whether or not they have family here.

Also i still don't see where the discrimination is coming from. Nobody at all is suggesting a marriage is fraudulent and will be outright rejected just due to age and age alone. All that is being said is that most likely the CIC will NOT waive the interview process for a couple with a big age difference. Remember EVERYONE who submits a PR application is subject to have an interview... so please don't go crying "discrimination" when people actually go to an interview since this is a natural part of the PR process... whatever the VO decides the reason is to not waive it.

 

[amikety]

Sure founding a family is a right... but bringing a foreign citizen as a resident into Canada is most definitely a privilege. It is NOT a basic human right that all foreigners be allowed to immigrate to Canada, whether or not they have family here.

Also i still don't see where the discrimination is coming from. Nobody at all is suggesting a marriage is fraudulent and will be outright rejected just due to age and age alone. All that is being said is that most likely the CIC will NOT waive the interview process for a couple with a big age difference. Remember EVERYONE who submits a PR application is subject to have an interview... so please don't go crying "discrimination" when people actually go to an interview since this is a natural part of the PR process... whatever the VO decides the reason is to not waive it.

I'm actually rather impressed by how little Canada does interviews. Everyone I know who came to my country was interviewed. They put my poor s-i-l through the grinder and she had earned a masters degree in my country, worked as a live-in caregiver for 5 years, and married my brother after dating 3 years. Because of her masters degree, she had a right to immigrate as a skilled worker on her own, so its not like she was clinging to my brother.... I had another friend that came from Australia in a relationship with no 'red flags' and she was grilled too!

 

[Halfmoon]

I maintain that it's discrimination. It's not unpatriotic to disagree with something the government does. You have a profoundly un-Canadian attitude in claiming that dissent is wrong.

If you want to live in a country where criticizing the government is considered wrong, then please move to Saudi Arabia.

Actually you haven't dissagreed. You've outright accused which therefore means you are the discrimator. I don't think any amount of education can change the small mind of someone so ignorant. I mean, ignorant people are supposed to be ignorant right? Why did anyone here even think they could have educated you on something so simple when you don't even the capacity to fathom seeing the bigger picture? You're all caught up in your own mumbo jumbo. What a joke and disgrace.

Actually why don't you do us all a favor and give it a rest or call up your VO and let them know how discriminatory they are since you have so much gull?

Pinpointing any coutry is outright discriminating. How about we blast your message on a new thread and see what how the Saudi's would feel about your clear act of discrimination. Do you even undertstand what discrimination versus prejudice is? And I don't mean the Oxford dictionary's terms because I see that's as far as your intelligence goes. But again why am I even entertaining a minucious ignorant mind? LOLOLOLOL!!!! Do you ever hear yourself?

If I was anyone else on this thread, I wouldn't entertain this radical. He is clearly the bigot and feel sorry for her. (Oh go look that up in the dictionary while you're at it) What a joke. LOL


......and here comes her/his 5 page response.

 

[Halfmoon]

Sure founding a family is a right... but bringing a foreign citizen as a resident into Canada is most definitely a privilege. It is NOT a basic human right that all foreigners be allowed to immigrate to Canada, whether or not they have family here.

Also i still don't see where the discrimination is coming from. Nobody at all is suggesting a marriage is fraudulent and will be outright rejected just due to age and age alone.

Shhhhhh I said the exact same thing in my post HOWEVER it's pointless to rationalize with ignorant minds. It's pointless. She/He has repeatedly contradicted himself over 4 pages. Why even make an attempt to rationalize with unstable minds?

EVERYONE[/b] who submits a PR application is subject to have an interview... so please don't go crying "discrimination" when people actually go to an interview since this is a natural part of the PR process... whatever the VO decides the reason is to not waive it.

Victim mentalities. They think the whole world is out to get them. They live in a bubble that "could" burst at any moment. That's all they do is cry so don't expect any better. There's no logic. :-\

 

[Halfmoon]

Love....oh....Love.... ;D

Carefull Sun Sun, you may get a accused for being prejudice or a racist.

BTW Since when did being a racist entail age?