November 2020 - Citizenship Application

[siddharthbala]

What's your analysis regarding Montreal applicants?

Honestly? Not great, but it's also because I have no clue based on the data. Looking at the September and October sheet reveals a lot of stale or incomplete data, but the worrying thing is that almost all of the Montreal applicants have virtually no data against them. For example:

September 2020:
There are 9 or so applicants and the average of those 9 specifically comes out to almost 67 odd days.

What makes this worse is the fact that of the 9 or so applicants, 5 are stale entries, leaving the average to be guesstimated from 4 entries, which are also pretty bad (AOR to IP of 84 days, 70 days, 39 days, and 76 days - the last one, 76 days is important because that's Family data, the others are all Single applications and they're terrible, numbers-wise)

October 2020:
The AOR to IP average for Montrealers in October seem to be much better - there are 8 or so applications from the tracker and the average comes out to be almost 36 days. This is good, though not great as such - it means that they definitely did pick up pace for the scant records we have in October, but nothing extraordinarily so.

However, the data quality here isn't that much better than September - of the 8 or so applications, the average is only guesstimated from 4 entries, with the other 4 being either stale/not received (though the other details on those records would lean towards the former).


Summary (and a small rant):
All in all, the sheets need to have cleaner data - a lot of folks seem to request their information be added to a tracker, but then cba to follow up with updates from their side, nor is there any defined criteria for removal of entries from the tracker once they hit certain 'staleness' criteria (Last login > 3 months, No response to 2 follow up requests, User doesn't exist on this forum). The biggest reason that November 2020 has the 97% record that it does is that I specifically reached out to folks and hounded them for updates to keep the sheet clean; the 3% remaining have either:

a) Dropped off the map completely (not logged into the forum for months after the originally requested their details be added to the tracker), or
b) Not even members of the forum, leaving me no path to follow up and get the datapoints out of them.

I get that nobody lives on this forum (well, I might but that's also because I'm doing a spousal application in parallel and this place is a good source of information), but it's kinda irresponsible in my eyes to commit to something but not follow through.

I don't think it is mandatory for your application to go to Mississauga even if you live in Mississauga isn't it?
A lot of my friends who live in Mississauga were called to Scarborough for tests (pre-COVID) meaning either the swap must have happened prior to processing or prior to testing.

For test-taking, possibly not but their internal mandate (at least pre-covid) was that it needed to be the closest CPC to their residence, from what I could gather of the original process. So effectively, a Mississauga resident would have to have their application 'processed' by CPC-M, but after that point and going into test administration (a new stage of the process), it was entirely up to load-balancing between facilities; so it's possible to have your application paperwork processed by CPC-M, but have your test-taking responsibility 'transferred' to CPC Scarborough (seeing as the file was effectively 'local' at this point), which would also explain your friend's scenarios. However, this is also only a hypothesis; the only way to be sure is to have your friends request their GCMS notes to confirm this is actually what happened, or that their applications despite being destined for the Mississauga facility, were taken on by CPC Scarborough (which would imply some sort of lot 'bidding' process for workload that happens after Sydney is done with their completion checks to self-solve the load-balancing process by having available hands take up the work. But, since their process is so opaque to us, there's no way to be sure.

 

[OllySyd]

For test-taking, possibly not but their internal mandate (at least pre-covid) was that it needed to be the closest CPC to their residence, from what I could gather of the original process. So effectively, a Mississauga resident would have to have their application 'processed' by CPC-M, but after that point and going into test administration (a new stage of the process), it was entirely up to load-balancing between facilities; so it's possible to have your application paperwork processed by CPC-M, but have your test-taking responsibility 'transferred' to CPC Scarborough (seeing as the file was effectively 'local' at this point), which would also explain your friend's scenarios. However, this is also only a hypothesis; the only way to be sure is to have your friends request their GCMS notes to confirm this is actually what happened, or that their applications despite being destined for the Mississauga facility, were taken on by CPC Scarborough (which would imply some sort of lot 'bidding' process for workload that happens after Sydney is done with their completion checks to self-solve the load-balancing process by having available hands take up the work. But, since their process is so opaque to us, there's no way to be sure.

True...it could be either way....and my friends have got their Citizenship done, albeit with some delays, and are in no mood to raise GCMS notes....so it has to stay opaque for the time being....lets hope for the best.

 

[benosantiago]

Honestly? Not great, but it's also because I have no clue based on the data. Looking at the September and October sheet reveals a lot of stale or incomplete data, but the worrying thing is that almost all of the Montreal applicants have virtually no data against them. For example:

September 2020:
There are 9 or so applicants and the average of those 9 specifically comes out to almost 67 odd days.

What makes this worse is the fact that of the 9 or so applicants, 5 are stale entries, leaving the average to be guesstimated from 4 entries, which are also pretty bad (AOR to IP of 84 days, 70 days, 39 days, and 76 days - the last one, 76 days is important because that's Family data, the others are all Single applications and they're terrible, numbers-wise)

October 2020:
The AOR to IP average for Montrealers in October seem to be much better - there are 8 or so applications from the tracker and the average comes out to be almost 36 days. This is good, though not great as such - it means that they definitely did pick up pace for the scant records we have in October, but nothing extraordinarily so.

However, the data quality here isn't that much better than September - of the 8 or so applications, the average is only guesstimated from 4 entries, with the other 4 being either stale/not received (though the other details on those records would lean towards the former).


Summary (and a small rant):
All in all, the sheets need to have cleaner data - a lot of folks seem to request their information be added to a tracker, but then cba to follow up with updates from their side, nor is there any defined criteria for removal of entries from the tracker once they hit certain 'staleness' criteria (Last login > 3 months, No response to 2 follow up requests, User doesn't exist on this forum). The biggest reason that November 2020 has the 97% record that it does is that I specifically reached out to folks and hounded them for updates to keep the sheet clean; the 3% remaining have either:

a) Dropped off the map completely (not logged into the forum for months after the originally requested their details be added to the tracker), or
b) Not even members of the forum, leaving me no path to follow up and get the datapoints out of them.

I get that nobody lives on this forum (well, I might but that's also because I'm doing a spousal application in parallel and this place is a good source of information), but it's kinda irresponsible in my eyes to commit to something but not follow through.



For test-taking, possibly not but their internal mandate (at least pre-covid) was that it needed to be the closest CPC to their residence, from what I could gather of the original process. So effectively, a Mississauga resident would have to have their application 'processed' by CPC-M, but after that point and going into test administration (a new stage of the process), it was entirely up to load-balancing between facilities; so it's possible to have your application paperwork processed by CPC-M, but have your test-taking responsibility 'transferred' to CPC Scarborough (seeing as the file was effectively 'local' at this point), which would also explain your friend's scenarios. However, this is also only a hypothesis; the only way to be sure is to have your friends request their GCMS notes to confirm this is actually what happened, or that their applications despite being destined for the Mississauga facility, were taken on by CPC Scarborough (which would imply some sort of lot 'bidding' process for workload that happens after Sydney is done with their completion checks to self-solve the load-balancing process by having available hands take up the work. But, since their process is so opaque to us, there's no way to be sure.

I live Montreal and I have not requested my info to be submitted before, I was only checking other's info to have a better idea of what to expect. Now I think it's time to contribute to the community effort, so here is my timeline:

Sent my application on November 16 using unregistered standard Canada Post mail. My application was received on November 19 and AOR on February 11th so I think the timelines are more or less the same than the rest of the people in the forum. BTW my application is family application,

 

[siddharthbala]

I live Montreal and I have not requested my info to be submitted before, I was only checking other's info to have a better idea of what to expect. Now I think it's time to contribute to the community effort, so here is my timeline:

Sent my application on November 16 using unregistered standard Canada Post mail. My application was received on November 19 and AOR on February 11th so I think the timelines are more or less the same than the rest of the people in the forum. BTW my application is family application,

Hey Beno, no problem and as long as you hold up your end of the bargain (giving updates as they happen), I have no issue with adding you to the tracker. Having said that - how many physical presence days did you report on your application and I'm assuming you're also a Montrealer (never mind, re-read the message again - my bad )?

 

[benosantiago]

Hey Beno, no problem and as long as you hold up your end of the bargain (giving updates as they happen), I have no issue with adding you to the tracker. Having said that - how many physical presence days did you report on your application and I'm assuming you're also a Montrealer (never mind, re-read the message again - my bad )?

1177 days

 

[siddharthbala]

1177 days

Done - you've been added!

 

[FutureImmi]

hello all, our ecas updated to IP.
Received - Nov 23
AOR- Feb 12
IP - Mar10

 

[Annie_aqua]

Our application moved to IP

congratulations.... what's your timeline?

 

[FutureImmi]

congratulations.... what's your timeline?

Thank you.
Received - Nov 23
AOR- Feb 12
IP - Mar10

 

[siddharthbala]

hello all, our ecas updated to IP.
Received - Nov 23
AOR- Feb 12
IP - Mar10

I see your application is 'Fort Mac' - are you referring to Fort McMurray, AB? In which case, congrats because you're the first non-GTA person to confirm their In Process!

 

[FutureImmi]

I see your application is 'Fort Mac' - are you referring to Fort McMurray, AB? In which case, congrats because you're the first non-GTA person to confirm their In Process!

Thank you. Yes, we reside in Fort McMurray, AB.

Wish everyone’s application gets a speedy nudge forward.

 

[Carla2016]

Honestly? Not great, but it's also because I have no clue based on the data. Looking at the September and October sheet reveals a lot of stale or incomplete data, but the worrying thing is that almost all of the Montreal applicants have virtually no data against them. For example:

September 2020:
There are 9 or so applicants and the average of those 9 specifically comes out to almost 67 odd days.

What makes this worse is the fact that of the 9 or so applicants, 5 are stale entries, leaving the average to be guesstimated from 4 entries, which are also pretty bad (AOR to IP of 84 days, 70 days, 39 days, and 76 days - the last one, 76 days is important because that's Family data, the others are all Single applications and they're terrible, numbers-wise)

October 2020:
The AOR to IP average for Montrealers in October seem to be much better - there are 8 or so applications from the tracker and the average comes out to be almost 36 days. This is good, though not great as such - it means that they definitely did pick up pace for the scant records we have in October, but nothing extraordinarily so.

However, the data quality here isn't that much better than September - of the 8 or so applications, the average is only guesstimated from 4 entries, with the other 4 being either stale/not received (though the other details on those records would lean towards the former).


Summary (and a small rant):
All in all, the sheets need to have cleaner data - a lot of folks seem to request their information be added to a tracker, but then cba to follow up with updates from their side, nor is there any defined criteria for removal of entries from the tracker once they hit certain 'staleness' criteria (Last login > 3 months, No response to 2 follow up requests, User doesn't exist on this forum). The biggest reason that November 2020 has the 97% record that it does is that I specifically reached out to folks and hounded them for updates to keep the sheet clean; the 3% remaining have either:

a) Dropped off the map completely (not logged into the forum for months after the originally requested their details be added to the tracker), or
b) Not even members of the forum, leaving me no path to follow up and get the datapoints out of them.

I get that nobody lives on this forum (well, I might but that's also because I'm doing a spousal application in parallel and this place is a good source of information), but it's kinda irresponsible in my eyes to commit to something but not follow through.



For test-taking, possibly not but their internal mandate (at least pre-covid) was that it needed to be the closest CPC to their residence, from what I could gather of the original process. So effectively, a Mississauga resident would have to have their application 'processed' by CPC-M, but after that point and going into test administration (a new stage of the process), it was entirely up to load-balancing between facilities; so it's possible to have your application paperwork processed by CPC-M, but have your test-taking responsibility 'transferred' to CPC Scarborough (seeing as the file was effectively 'local' at this point), which would also explain your friend's scenarios. However, this is also only a hypothesis; the only way to be sure is to have your friends request their GCMS notes to confirm this is actually what happened, or that their applications despite being destined for the Mississauga facility, were taken on by CPC Scarborough (which would imply some sort of lot 'bidding' process for workload that happens after Sydney is done with their completion checks to self-solve the load-balancing process by having available hands take up the work. But, since their process is so opaque to us, there's no way to be sure.

I sent my info the first day I commented on here but after looking never saw my details entered in the sheet...

 

[Carla2016]

hello all, our ecas updated to IP.
Received - Nov 23
AOR- Feb 12
IP - Mar10

Am your mate my application was received Nov 24th

 

[siddharthbala]

Am your mate my application was received Nov 24th

Well, let me know what it is and I can put it in - I didn't have edit access in the early days of this thread so it's possible everyone thought someone else was going to enter it, but then nobody did.

I need the following:
Location:
Application Type:
Number of Physical Presence days:
Date Sent:
Date Received:
Date of AOR:

 

[Admin71]

UPDATE:

Location: Edmonton, AB
Application Type: Family (4)
Physical presence days: 1400
App sent date: November 10, 2020
App delivered date: November 12, 2020
AOR: February 04, 2021
In Process: March 10, 2021