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I’m afraid that what happened in Europe could easily happen in Canada in terms of sentiments towards immigration. Sweden was one of the most pro immigrant countries on the planet and all it took was for politicians to screw up immigration, in order to turn the entire population against immigration. In 8 years, the Liberals have done so much damage to the country and screwed up immigration to the point where moderate Canadians are starting to get tired of immigration. Mainstream media have begun to question immigration. That’s something that hasn’t happened in a decade. I’m afraid that if things don’t turn for the good in the next two to three years, the PPC might actually gain seats in Canada. That’s how bad things have gotten in terms of immigration and housing affordability in Canada. Even though the PPC aren’t anti immigrant, they have some very evil elements in their party. I’m starting to think that Canada’s well on its way to become another US, where immigration is a political issue. You can thank the Liberals for being so short sighted and for being the dumbest party in Canada. A real bunch of idiots.
Might? At this point, it is pretty much sealed that CPC will form a majority government. Look at how Trudeau and Marc Miller talk, they are like in a parallel universe.
Sean Fraser seems to understand what's happening a little. But if I were him, I would not work hard to keep Trudeau, instead I would focus on taking over the party leadership. Of course, the risk is liberals might become 3rd party, although NDP also sucks so badly.
 

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CH2 is filled to brim with a lot of well... "not the best kind of canadians". A lot of them just have high-school diploma or "some degree". They are acerbic because they can not get their home or rental in one of the main population centres of Canada : Van, Toronto or perhaps Calgary. While immigrants take initiative to move from another country to Canada, these folks do not want to even move cities.

How many Canadians will be ready to go and take up a foreign seat in China or india for their degree? or higher professional qualifications like masters? Even in my wife' university, all around the univ, ethnic Indians are taking all sorts of jobs while these folks will never be seen working. Then they complain. In my team (A FAANG company), my manager is an Iranian, 2 Canadians are there, 1 Pakistani, 1 Peruvian, 1 Chinese, 3 Indians and one Vietnamese. So excuse me, if I do not buy the entire proposition that "Canadian" workers are specially talented.

The folks will gladly buy stuff that is made in China or Vietnam over pure made in Canada because of price point. Given a chance most of them will buy made in India generic medicine than made in Canada (or perhaps USA) medicines because of price. And then they will harp about immigrants undercutting them.
 

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CH2 is filled to brim with a lot of well... "not the best kind of canadians". A lot of them just have high-school diploma or "some degree". They are acerbic because they can not get their home or rental in one of the main population centres of Canada : Van, Toronto or perhaps Calgary. While immigrants take initiative to move from another country to Canada, these folks do not want to even move cities.

How many Canadians will be ready to go and take up a foreign seat in China or india for their degree? or higher professional qualifications like masters? Even in my wife' university, all around the univ, ethnic Indians are taking all sorts of jobs while these folks will never be seen working. Then they complain. In my team (A FAANG company), my manager is an Iranian, 2 Canadians are there, 1 Pakistani, 1 Peruvian, 1 Chinese, 3 Indians and one Vietnamese. So excuse me, if I do not buy the entire proposition that "Canadian" workers are specially talented.

The folks will gladly buy stuff that is made in China or Vietnam over pure made in Canada because of price point. Given a chance most of them will buy made in India generic medicine than made in Canada (or perhaps USA) medicines because of price. And then they will harp about immigrants undercutting them.
The purpose of the link was growing disenchantment towards immigration in Canada. Other subreddits include r/canada and historically left leaning ones are now openly anti immigration, something that would've been an instant-ban in the past. The question regarding productivity/mobility/justification of immigrants taking jobs over Canadians could be true or false depending on the situation but it is also not a secret that immigrants are willing to work for less. Outside of FAANG, tech salaries are heavily depressed in Canada. Even Big4 salaries are pathetic but because there's so much surplus of people wanting to work their for the 'prestige', they can massively underpay
 
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On another note, what are the chances we see an Armenian Refugee Pathway? Will they have the same benefits as Ukrainians for being pseudo European and Christian or are they too tanned for that
Canadian grace is waning and now there is a growing resentment about this ongoing war and Ukraine's incessant need for money or weapons. Another group of refugees of whatever kind will be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
 

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The purpose of the link was growing disenchantment towards immigration in Canada. Other subreddits include r/canada and historically left leaning ones are now openly anti immigration, something that would've been an instant-ban in the past. The question regarding productivity/mobility/justification of immigrants taking jobs over Canadians could be true or false depending on the situation but it is also not a secret that immigrants are willing to work for less. Outside of FAANG, tech salaries are heavily depressed in Canada. Even Big4 salaries are pathetic but because there's so much surplus of people wanting to work their for the 'prestige', they can massively underpay
I am hearing it completely different from my friend who is job hunting these days. Salaries offered are good. Though expectation these days are that you will work from premise instead of home. This has been the sticking point for him for he is a manager and he does not want to work outside of Victoria due to his family reasons. To be honest, he did not even apply to "big4" because most of the positions in big4 are ... well.... not really good to say the least. Best thing one can do is to seek american companies hiring in Canada. True blue canadian employers are a little weird.
 
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I am hearing it completely different from my friend who is job hunting these days. Salaries offered are good. Though expectation these days are that you will work from premise instead of home. This has been the sticking point for him for he is a manager and he does not want to work outside of Victoria due to his family reasons. To be honest, he did not even apply to "big4" because most of the positions in big4 are ... well.... not really good to say the least. Best thing one can do is to seek american companies hiring in Canada. True blue canadian employers are a little weird.
We had a quarterly meeting with finance last month, we will be offering 10% higher comps starting March 2024 to stay competitive in the job market. Things are improving now.
 

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I am hearing it completely different from my friend who is job hunting these days. Salaries offered are good. Though expectation these days are that you will work from premise instead of home. This has been the sticking point for him for he is a manager and he does not want to work outside of Victoria due to his family reasons. To be honest, he did not even apply to "big4" because most of the positions in big4 are ... well.... not really good to say the least. Best thing one can do is to seek american companies hiring in Canada. True blue canadian employers are a little weird.
Are you and @iSaidGoodDay both working for US companies/teams?
 

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We had a quarterly meeting with finance last month, we will be offering 10% higher comps starting March 2024 to stay competitive in the job market. Things are improving now.
Wow 10% is awesome for Canada, I assume it will be more for promotions and less for regular ratings
Usually isn't the HR trend to give the largest raises to the highest performers in the appraisal bell curve ;)
 

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Are you and @iSaidGoodDay both working for US companies/teams?
My HQ is California. But in general, things are improving. VC funds are stronger this quarter too, we now have LPs that are willing to invest in high risk, zero revenue, and no past exit founder/startups. This hasn't been the case from a long time now. Most VCs were preferring revenue generating startups(specifically in companies that had a justified net revenue retention), a minimum 15% equity at low seed stage funds, with a guaranteed seat on the board in 2022. Right now, we are seeing funding deals with less and less constraints, which would likely improve the job market.
 

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The purpose of the link was growing disenchantment towards immigration in Canada. Other subreddits include r/canada and historically left leaning ones are now openly anti immigration, something that would've been an instant-ban in the past. The question regarding productivity/mobility/justification of immigrants taking jobs over Canadians could be true or false depending on the situation but it is also not a secret that immigrants are willing to work for less. Outside of FAANG, tech salaries are heavily depressed in Canada. Even Big4 salaries are pathetic but because there's so much surplus of people wanting to work their for the 'prestige', they can massively underpay
This is mostly the case for the low wage jobs and it’s not new immigrants who are displacing Canadian born workers and other immigrants, it’s international students and temporary migrants. The main issue right now is that temporary migrants and international students are displacing new immigrants and Canadians from jobs and housing. Temporary migrants are now bigger than the indigenous population of Canada, which is crazy. No one knows why the government is doing this because this isn’t going to bring any prosperity to Canada nor does it provide more tax revenue. Most of the international students are working in minimum wage jobs and pay the least amounts of taxes.
 

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Wow 10% is awesome for Canada, I assume it will be more for promotions and less for regular ratings
Usually isn't the HR trend to give the largest raises to the highest performers in the appraisal bell curve ;)
We are in a unique position too. If the job market goes down, our consumer products take off as job seekers need our products. If the job market goes up, our B2B products generate more revenue. We have a very well managed revenue liquidity.

My take was on 2024 comps for net new hires though, not internal employee raises. Raises is something that I find very hard to deal with, my org has retention, employee index goals with HR and it often can get very conflicting to get the right raises to prevent churn. We had an employee leave last year when they were clearly amazing, deserved a nice raise, but our HR goals were all green on dashboards, so a request for higher comp was denied because if this person churned it still won't push retention numbers to "At risk" (which is where I can actually intervene).
 
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This is mostly the case for the low wage jobs and it’s not new immigrants who are displacing Canadian born workers and other immigrants, it’s international students and temporary migrants. The main issue right now is that temporary migrants and international students are displacing new immigrants and Canadians from jobs and housing. Temporary migrants are now bigger than the indigenous population of Canada, which is crazy. No one knows why the government is doing this because this isn’t going to bring any prosperity to Canada nor does it provide more tax revenue. Most of the international students are working in minimum wage jobs and pay the least amounts of taxes.
Things that really piss me off:
1. Diploma mills
2. You can get CEC points for being a manager at Tim Hortons and other restaurants
3. Widespread abuse of LMIA
4. Noone is being deported for overstating
 

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Things that really piss me off:
1. Diploma mills
2. You can get CEC points for being a manager at Tim Hortons and other restaurants
3. Widespread abuse of LMIA
4. Noone is being deported for overstating
I mean with the introduction of the category based draws, you’re going to eliminate 3 and 2. The cut off score for general draws is so high, I’m not sure how much a LMIA will help. I’m also not sure about what the government intends to do with 2.2 million temporary migrants. Many of them will have to go back or serve the underground economy as undocumented workers. It’s going to be painful for them as there’s no joy living undocumented in Canada. You’re cut off from all services and there’s absolutely no way you’re going to have a better life working 4 dollar per hour cash jobs. It’s also logistically impossible for Canada to send all 2.2 million people back if all of them overstay. CBSA doesn’t have the resources to do so. They cannot deport millions of undocumented workers in the US, what makes you think Canada can do the same? They will have to leave voluntarily.