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Surbhigurpreet

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Sep 12, 2016
351
4
Delhi
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
15.07.2015
Doc's Request.
21.09.2016
Nomination.....
14.10.2016
AOR Received.
15.11.2016
IELTS Request
upfront
File Transfer...
16.12.2016
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
12.11.2016 passed 21.11.2016
Passport Req..
07.03.2017
VISA ISSUED...
14.03.2017
LANDED..........
waiting
Hello legal falcon.
Is it mandatory for EE-PNP applicant to send schedule 4 or is it only for paper based applications.
I have sent my nomination certificate but nor schedule 4.
Secondly i received my aor on 14th. Since then there is no change in my bg. It is showing not needed at this time. Does This delay means that there are chances that something is wrong with my application or my result would be delayed. The applicants of similar date has either recieved additional doc request or their status is in progress. Neither has happened with my case. That is y it is important for me to understand the role of schedule 4.
If it is not asked from EE applicants than may be i am cool to go.
 

eqrkim

Star Member
Feb 7, 2013
128
2
Category........
Visa Office......
EE BC Inland
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
AOR Received.
Aug 17
IELTS Request
Sep 01
Med's Done....
Sept 01 (Med Pass)
legalfalcon said:
IRCC is always flexible in accommodating reasonable requests and pre-planned travels fall under that. Just send an email to IRCC and you will most like get the extension. I have seen cases where people have got extensions for pre-planned travels. Just make sure you write an email and explain everything. They mostly allow because at this stage the application is approved and only the logistics of granting the visa is remaining.
Thank you so much! That is exactly what I was hoping to know!
I booked a flight a month after AOR, hopefully they consider it as a pre-planned vacation :)

I will give you +1 again in 168 hours lol
I tried it and it says "Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 168 hours."
 

epressentry

Star Member
Sep 11, 2016
153
5
Category........
Visa Office......
Unknown
NOC Code......
1122
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
April 20th 2016
Nomination.....
N/A
Med's Done....
Upfront
legalfalcon said:
Its very simple and you should not complicate things. If you are in permanent employment of a company that allows you 30 days of paid leave a year, you will count your work ex as 1 year and not 11 months, if your vacation was paid. This is the interpretation I would give.

This is based on the following:

As per CIC, Full-time” means at least 30 hours of paid work in one week. One year of full-time work is at least 1560 hours. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=664&top=29

If you calculate 1560 hours and put them to weeks and months, you would have worked way more. This is why in your employment reference letter you put the number off weeks you have worked. An average work week for an salaried employee is usually ~50 hours. So you are doing way more than 1560 hours in a year. In this scenario when you get your reference letter, it does not mention your vacation time, but your period of employment and how long you work in a week. So yes, you can add your vacation time to your work experience.

To be eligible for the CEC, CIC states <http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/cec/apply-who.asp>

There is no requirement for the education be be in the same category of your job.

Hope this helps!
Makes sense!

How would you interpret this?

An allowance for a reasonable period of vacation time will generally be made in calculating the period of qualifying work experience (e.g., a two-week period of paid vacation leave within a given 52-week period in which the applicant was engaged in qualifying work experience). An allowance for normal vacation time during a period of qualifying work experience cannot be used as a substitute or proxy for meeting the in-Canada element of the work experience requirement (i.e., work experience obtained outside Canada will not be considered as though the applicant had been on a period of vacation in order to be counted as part of the period of in-Canada work experience). While officers will account for a reasonable period of vacation time in calculating the period of qualifying work experience in Canada, each application is considered on its own merits with a final decision based on a review of all the information available to the officer at the time of decision.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/econ/cec/work.asp
 

legalfalcon

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Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,915
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Surbhigurpreet said:
Hello legal falcon.
Is it mandatory for EE-PNP applicant to send schedule 4 or is it only for paper based applications.
I have sent my nomination certificate but nor schedule 4.
Secondly i received my aor on 14th. Since then there is no change in my bg. It is showing not needed at this time. Does This delay means that there are chances that something is wrong with my application or my result would be delayed. The applicants of similar date has either recieved additional doc request or their status is in progress. Neither has happened with my case. That is y it is important for me to understand the role of schedule 4.
If it is not asked from EE applicants than may be i am cool to go.
Schedule 4 is asked from all PNP applicants, irrespective of whether you filed a peer based application or online. However, if there is no slot to upload Schedule 4 when you submit the e-ARP, then IRCC will contact you later and ask you to submit it. I have also come to hear that CIC has incorporated schedule 4, which is a declaration, in the online form itself thereby eliminating it completely as a stand alone form. This in no way delays the application and is a routine exercise. A lot of applicants ask that they do not see a slot to upload Schedule 4, but later on they receive a request to upload. Do not be too concerned about it. Also, I have not see the latest MyCIC, so I cannot comment if it has been incorporated in the system itself.

As regards you second question, every application is different and follows a different timeline. So do not be concerned. You are in the early stages of the process. If you have filed all the details and provided the relevant supporting documents, do not be concerned about anything. Some application get processed way faster than others, but if your application has not seen much movement yet, that does not mean that there is something wrong with it.

The only way to know what is happening in your application is to order GCMS notes. I would encourage your to order your notes after you are in the 2.5 into the process. That will give you a complete picture.

Hope this helps!
 

legalfalcon

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9,915
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Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
epressentry said:
Makes sense!

How would you interpret this?

An allowance for a reasonable period of vacation time will generally be made in calculating the period of qualifying work experience (e.g., a two-week period of paid vacation leave within a given 52-week period in which the applicant was engaged in qualifying work experience). An allowance for normal vacation time during a period of qualifying work experience cannot be used as a substitute or proxy for meeting the in-Canada element of the work experience requirement (i.e., work experience obtained outside Canada will not be considered as though the applicant had been on a period of vacation in order to be counted as part of the period of in-Canada work experience). While officers will account for a reasonable period of vacation time in calculating the period of qualifying work experience in Canada, each application is considered on its own merits with a final decision based on a review of all the information available to the officer at the time of decision.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/econ/cec/work.asp
What you have provided, read the last two sentences. "While officers will account for a reasonable period of vacation time in calculating the period of qualifying work experience in Canada, each application is considered on its own merits with a final decision based on a review of all the information available to the officer at the time of decision."

There are various facts that are taken into account. How many hours do you work in a week. Is your employment a professional contract, a labor contract etc. How much leave were you offered? What is the industry practice. It is based upon this that an officer will access your file.
 

Surbhigurpreet

Hero Member
Sep 12, 2016
351
4
Delhi
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
15.07.2015
Doc's Request.
21.09.2016
Nomination.....
14.10.2016
AOR Received.
15.11.2016
IELTS Request
upfront
File Transfer...
16.12.2016
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
12.11.2016 passed 21.11.2016
Passport Req..
07.03.2017
VISA ISSUED...
14.03.2017
LANDED..........
waiting
legalfalcon said:
Schedule 4 is asked from all PNP applicants, irrespective of whether you filed a peer based application or online. However, if there is no slot to upload Schedule 4 when you submit the e-ARP, then IRCC will contact you later and ask you to submit it. I have also come to hear that CIC has incorporated schedule 4, which is a declaration, in the online form itself thereby eliminating it completely as a stand alone form. This in no way delays the application and is a routine exercise. A lot of applicants ask that they do not see a slot to upload Schedule 4, but later on they receive a request to upload. Do not be too concerned about it. Also, I have not see the latest MyCIC, so I cannot comment if it has been incorporated in the system itself.

As regards you second question, every application is different and follows a different timeline. So do not be concerned. You are in the early stages of the process. If you have filed all the details and provided the relevant supporting documents, do not be concerned about anything. Some application get processed way faster than others, but if your application has not seen much movement yet, that does not mean that there is something wrong with it.

The only way to know what is happening in your application is to order GCMS notes. I would encourage your to order your notes after you are in the 2.5 into the process. That will give you a complete picture.

Hope this helps!
That surely helps. Thank you. Please go through following link and advise. I would be greatful.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/prov-apply-application.asp
Thanks n regards
 

apache5021

Star Member
Apr 9, 2016
185
15
Visa Office......
Mississgua
App. Filed.......
04 Jun 2018
AOR Received.
18-07-2018
IELTS Request
N/A
Hi legal falcon
On 22nd Nov.I received a request letter from NDVO to submit PCC from Congo latest by 25th Dec.
I will be uploading the PCC most probably by day after .My query is that will the uploaded document be reviewed by the visa officer as soon as I provide the document or will they check my file onlly after the last date set by ndvo is over?
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,915
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Surbhigurpreet said:
That surely helps. Thank you. Please go through following link and advise. I would be greatful.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/prov-apply-application.asp
Thanks n regards
I don't get your question. What do you want me to review and advise on? Do you have anything specific?
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,915
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
apache5021 said:
Hi legal falcon
On 22nd Nov.I received a request letter from NDVO to submit PCC from Congo latest by 25th Dec.
I will be uploading the PCC most probably by day after .My query is that will the uploaded document be reviewed by the visa officer as soon as I provide the document or will they check my file onlly after the last date set by ndvo is over?
As soon as you upload the document your file is marked complete and is put in the queue for processing. When it is picked up by the CIC officer for processing depends on many factors. They do not wait until the last day, but in some cases the file does keep sitting for a while before it is processed, which may go way beyond the upload deadline. Further, December is a tough month as there are many holidays and IRCC is short staffed. Do keep in mind that IRCC is not only reviewing pending files, they are also getting new applications every day, which have to be processed. Each file has a different timeline which depends on the kind of documents uploaded, the complexity in reviewing the file etc. Some files take longer at the BGC stage, some take longer in employment verifications, etc.

As an applicant your foremost responsibility should be to ensure timely uploading all documents as soon as they are requested. What happens after, is the internal mechanism and cannot be predicted.

I acknowledge my response is vague, but anything I say is just a mere prediction, which I tend to avoid.
 

Surbhigurpreet

Hero Member
Sep 12, 2016
351
4
Delhi
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
15.07.2015
Doc's Request.
21.09.2016
Nomination.....
14.10.2016
AOR Received.
15.11.2016
IELTS Request
upfront
File Transfer...
16.12.2016
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
12.11.2016 passed 21.11.2016
Passport Req..
07.03.2017
VISA ISSUED...
14.03.2017
LANDED..........
waiting
legalfalcon said:
I don't get your question. What do you want me to review and advise on? Do you have anything specific?
Yes this link says that only paper based application need schedule 4 and the same is not mandatory for ee applications.
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,915
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Surbhigurpreet said:
Yes this link says that only paper based application need schedule 4 and the same is not mandatory for ee applications.
If you read my comment above, I did mention that Sec 4 is a declaration which they might have incorporated in the online form. Since I have not seen the new MyCIC changes, I cannot comment on it. But I am glad you did your research and found it.
 

Surbhigurpreet

Hero Member
Sep 12, 2016
351
4
Delhi
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
15.07.2015
Doc's Request.
21.09.2016
Nomination.....
14.10.2016
AOR Received.
15.11.2016
IELTS Request
upfront
File Transfer...
16.12.2016
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
12.11.2016 passed 21.11.2016
Passport Req..
07.03.2017
VISA ISSUED...
14.03.2017
LANDED..........
waiting
legalfalcon said:
If you read my comment above, I did mention that Sec 4 is a declaration which they might have incorporated in the online form. Since I have not seen the new MyCIC changes, I cannot comment on it. But I am glad you did your research and found it.
Thank you legal falcon for ur help. We lawyers cam research well.
I suppose now after going through this link it can be confirmed that PNP applicants are not required to fill schedule 4.
Thanks and regards
Like always +1 for u
 

Surbhigurpreet

Hero Member
Sep 12, 2016
351
4
Delhi
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
15.07.2015
Doc's Request.
21.09.2016
Nomination.....
14.10.2016
AOR Received.
15.11.2016
IELTS Request
upfront
File Transfer...
16.12.2016
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
12.11.2016 passed 21.11.2016
Passport Req..
07.03.2017
VISA ISSUED...
14.03.2017
LANDED..........
waiting
Legal falcon r u done with ur NCA. Can v discuss abt it.
 

Surbhigurpreet

Hero Member
Sep 12, 2016
351
4
Delhi
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
15.07.2015
Doc's Request.
21.09.2016
Nomination.....
14.10.2016
AOR Received.
15.11.2016
IELTS Request
upfront
File Transfer...
16.12.2016
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
12.11.2016 passed 21.11.2016
Passport Req..
07.03.2017
VISA ISSUED...
14.03.2017
LANDED..........
waiting
One more thing legal falcon as till date my bg is not needed and also I have not recieved any update or ghost email from ircc. Can I assume that the same has not been transferred to NDVO. Also, if not than what is the right time to assume that the file has been transferred. Thanks and regards
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,915
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Surbhigurpreet said:
Legal falcon r u done with ur NCA. Can v discuss abt it.
I would refrain from discussing my personal issues on the forum. Thanks for your understanding.