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Neymar

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Hi all.

Will appreciate your input for my situation:

My fiance is a Canadian citizen residing in Canada and I am a Singapore citizen (with ETA for Canada) residing in Singapore.

We are planning to get married in Singapore or Pakistan in December.

My question is if a marriage certificate from Singapore or Pakistan be enough for me to enter Canada when I travel with my fiance after the wedding? Will we need a Canada issued marriage license? I understand that spouses of Citizens can enter Canada during Covid, however we wont have marriage certificate from Canada. What documents will I need to show the officer upon landing?

If it was not for Covid, the plan was to enter Canada as a tourist with ETA with dual intention of a visit and filing for Inland Sponsorship. With covid regulations in place, our plans have changed.

Your advice will be appreciated!

Thank you.
 

armoured

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Feb 1, 2015
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Hi all.

Will appreciate your input for my situation:

My fiance is a Canadian citizen residing in Canada and I am a Singapore citizen (with ETA for Canada) residing in Singapore.

We are planning to get married in Singapore or Pakistan in December.

My question is if a marriage certificate from Singapore or Pakistan be enough for me to enter Canada when I travel with my fiance after the wedding? Will we need a Canada issued marriage license? I understand that spouses of Citizens can enter Canada during Covid, however we wont have marriage certificate from Canada. What documents will I need to show the officer upon landing?

If it was not for Covid, the plan was to enter Canada as a tourist with ETA with dual intention of a visit and filing for Inland Sponsorship. With covid regulations in place, our plans have changed.

Your advice will be appreciated!

Thank you.
Does not need to be Canadian marriage certificate.

I've no knowledge of country specifics but understand that there may be more questions of specifics of valid marriages in Pakistan (Islamic law vs civil etc). So my gut is you may find Singapore marriage cert more readily recognised and also transparent and obvious to border officer and airport officials esp if traveling from Singapore and a singapore citizen. Note of course need certified translation if original not in English.

Note, I'm not saying that legally the Pakistani documents won't be sufficient, but that in practical terms the SG documents may just be more readily accepted.
 
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Does not need to be Canadian marriage certificate.

I've no knowledge of country specifics but understand that there may be more questions of specifics of valid marriages in Pakistan (Islamic law vs civil etc). So my gut is you may find Singapore marriage cert more readily recognised and also transparent and obvious to border officer and airport officials esp if traveling from Singapore and a singapore citizen. Note of course need certified translation if original not in English.

Note, I'm not saying that legally the Pakistani documents won't be sufficient, but that in practical terms the SG documents may just be more readily accepted.
Thank you for your reply. Yes we plan to get the marriage certificate in Pakistan translated/notarized.

Just to confirm- a Singapore/Pak marriage certificate will be sufficient proof for me to enter Canada in Dec despite Canada not allowing visitors?
 

armoured

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Thank you for your reply. Yes we plan to get the marriage certificate in Pakistan translated/notarized.

Just to confirm- a Singapore/Pak marriage certificate will be sufficient proof for me to enter Canada in Dec despite Canada not allowing visitors?
Currently, yes. The basis is that immediate family members (e.g. spouses) are exempted from the no visits rule, or more specifically are 'deemed essential' for visit purposes. Obviously spouse must be named in marriage certificate and evidence that the spouse is Canadian citizen or PR.

Again, don't know specifics, but you may find singapore documents more readily accepted. Worth looking into.
 

lanka1204

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Unfortunately the timeline and percent mean almost nothing. It is a simple days since your application received divided by 365, i.e. the 'targetted' processing time. Before covid it was a meaningful measure - about 80% of applications were completed in 12 months - but doesn't tell you anything about how your individual file is progressing. With covid, the 80% in 12 months clearly will not be met (until they catch up).
It's TRUE, my husband and me already 1 year 1month, and any letter since January..
 

lanka1204

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Is it someone got pr who applying in August 2019? Or some news LVO ,?
 

slough

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Hi All,

I think I know what we need to do, but would love some input from the experts on this forum. I am a US citizen, my husband is a Canadian citizen currently here in the US on a student visa. We have a daughter born in March of this year and we have sent in her application for a Canadian citizenship application. My husband is applying for jobs in Canada as his degree wraps up. We are planning on applying for my PR as an outland application, hopefully within the next month or so. If he then gets a job before I get PR (which seems likely) our plan is to have my daughter and I come in on a tourist visa to stay with him. (Though hopefully her Canadian citizenship will come through soon, though I am not sure we'd be able to get her Canadian passport quickly thanks to COVID.) We did do a consult with a lawyer who actually was the one who suggested this plan to us,though we intend to prepare our own application. My questions are:

1. Has anyone done this where they enter under dual intent as a US citizen as a tourist and telling the officer at the border that your PR application is in progress? The lawyer made it sound like so long as you say you are reuniting your family, and state that you know that if your PR doesn't come in within 6 months that you have to leave or apply for an extension, you should be fine, but I would love to hear more from people who have done this.

2. There are a couple things that it looks like we will have to explain, specifically the fact that my husband doesn't currently have a job yet but is looking, that we intend to move to Canada, and the added info as we have been married 1.5 years. We were planning on writing a letter of explanation from my husband as the sponsor for the whole package with sections headed for each thing that needs explanation with written explanation and a list of supporting documents for each thing. For instance for the job thing something like: "I am finishing up my doctorate degree from X University with an anticipated graduation date of December 2020. Because I am still in school I am not currently employed in Canada. However, I am actively looking for work in Canada. As of [today's date] I have applied to the following positions [list positions] and have received an interview at Y place and Z place. See screenshots of job applications attached for proof of this."

3. Under the additional documents for people married less than 1.5 years, are the letters from family and friends letters they write in support of your relationship addressed to the immigration folks, or mail jointly addressed to you? I know that is a dumb question, but want to be sure I understand that.

4. For the question on where you would live in Canada, given that we don't know yet and it will be based on my husband's job do we just write that, or pick a province where he's applied for jobs, or...?

5. Any other tips or suggestions? Do's or dont's?

Thanks so much!
Although I don't have answers to all of your questions, our situation wasn't too different from yours. I'm a Canadian citizen and my wife is a US citizen, we have 3 children and have been married 7 years. We were living in the US and a job in Montreal fell into my lap and we decided to take it and move up here. The plan your lawyer suggested is the same one that we took.

As soon as I accepted the position (late-October 2019) I applied for citizenship certificates for our children (online), choosing the option and writing an explanatory letter with the application that we intended to move to Canada by January 2020 and the children would need the certificate for health cards, school, etc. We received their certificates by mid-December. One thing that might help: you do NOT need a Canadian passport to travel into Canada for a child as long as you have their citizenship certificate and a US passport. The child would come in as a citizen and not with a passport stamp or other visa.

We applied outland in December (see my signature for timeline) and I came in January to get a house ready and then flew back in February to get my family and fly back with them. Upon arrival in Canada we explained it exactly as you wrote it: I took a job here, we've applied for PR, however we recognize that my wife is a visitor and will return to the US in the event her status expires at any time. They checked over the childrens' citizenship certificates and then gave my wife a visitor stamp for 6 months. There was really no issue or questions - the border agent said that a US citizen applying for PR as a spouse is more a formality than anything else. In retrospect I wish I had asked if we could get a visitor record for, say, a year, for her to avoid having to apply for the extension. She applied for a visitor extension in June because the stamp expired in August, but we haven't heard anything back on that yet. We're still waiting for the PR process to move forward as well, COVID-19 and the special Quebec process having slowed it all down.

I provided documents about my intent to move to Canada but it was more concrete for me. That being said you just have to prove your intent to move and it sounds like you can do that. I showed evidence of the accepted job offer, quotes from moving companies, etc. Notwithstanding where you finally settle, I think the forms just ask if you plan to live in Quebec or elsewhere in Canada, and another question about where you plan to live. I think you could enter anything here so long as it is at least one of your plans. I'd suggest perhaps near family, or a large city with the jobs, etc.

Best of luck with the application and the move when you make it.
 
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armoured

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Notwithstanding where you finally settle, I think the forms just ask if you plan to live in Quebec or elsewhere in Canada, and another question about where you plan to live. I think you could enter anything here so long as it is at least one of your plans
Short note on this, the process is slightly different if Quebec is indicated as intended province. So do be clear if you intend to live in quebec.

Apart from that, doesn't make much difference. There's more detail but it's likely enough for now.
 
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Noraalzomor

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Hi everyone..
if my marriage contract was done by proxy (I wasn’t there.. I didn’t sign it myself) but I was present on the wedding party and I have photos and everything.. we live together 3 months and then I had to come back to Canada because the school year was about to start. Will that be refused or it is OK since I was present on my wedding day “reception”.
 

armoured

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Hi everyone..
if my marriage contract was done by proxy (I wasn’t there.. I didn’t sign it myself) but I was present on the wedding party and I have photos and everything.. we live together 3 months and then I had to come back to Canada because the school year was about to start. Will that be refused or it is OK since I was present on my wedding day “reception”.
No, weddings by proxy are not recognised.
 

fenimi

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Hi,
Please can I send my passport to a visa office different from the visa office that sent the passport request? Also, which visa office in Canada gives visas quickly?
 

felicialiu

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Thank you for your reply. Yes we plan to get the marriage certificate in Pakistan translated/notarized.

Just to confirm- a Singapore/Pak marriage certificate will be sufficient proof for me to enter Canada in Dec despite Canada not allowing visitors?
There is no guarantee. There are ppl who have been married for a while and their TRVs have been rejected. Ppl who have not given their biometrics have been waiting since June for any update abt their TRV and there is no news. But yeah there are few who got their application accepted too. So u can always try.
 
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