sponsorship of parents and grandparents for Canadian Permanent Residence

[Rob_TO]

CIC asked to submit principal applicant and their dependent's passport or travel document.

Good idea, I never thought of that.
I wonder if they have CSI-style equipment to do the signature comparison lol.

 

[user828]

When you call CIC agents, ( who are not visa officers ) their reply is by the book, FAQ style so its imperative they say original required. Now whether each officer/admin staff spends his time to verify if it matches the sig is anyone's guess

Like I had mentioned, if a person prints the form on 31st, has it sent via someone who is flying to the home country, parents signs it and sends via someone who is coming back so its possible to mail it via the 2nd. By the time the application it's in the hands of the visa officer, he doesn't know when it arrived exactly coz that process is probably done by someone before him.

Trust me, in this 6 year wait time, I have seen there are numerous other things to verify and take care of ( here we are talking abt beginning and acceptance ). I doubt there will be anyone ( at least on this forum ) who will be challenged for a signature issue

 

[screech339]

When you call CIC agents, ( who are not visa officers ) their reply is by the book, FAQ style so its imperative they say original required. Now whether each officer/admin staff spends his time to verify if it matches the sig is anyone's guess

Like I had mentioned, if a person prints the form on 31st, has it sent via someone who is flying to the home country, parents signs it and sends via someone who is coming back so its possible to mail it via the 2nd. By the time the application it's in the hands of the visa officer, he doesn't know when it arrived exactly coz that process is probably done by someone before him.

Trust me, in this 6 year wait time, I have seen there are numerous other things to verify and take care of ( here we are talking abt beginning and acceptance ). I doubt there will be anyone ( at least on this forum ) who will be challenged for a signature issue

The thing is that this is the first year of getting applications in. So if they see a signature on the forms from someone 10000 km away signed 2nd jan that is a huge flag right there.

Next year would be different as the sponsor can get the pdf forms completed and bar coded and then send the pdf to parents to print up and sign postdated jan 2, 2015 and mail back. That would be more realistic as the forms have been out for a year. However this approach would not work if CIC keep updating the same forms with new revisions every year. Sponsors can't use old revision forms when submitting the application.

Screech339

 

[user828]

The thing is that this is the first year of getting applications in. So if they see a signature on the forms from someone 10000 km away signed 2nd jan that is a huge flag right there.

Next year would be different as the sponsor can get the pdf forms completed and bar coded and then send the pdf to parents to print up and sign postdated jan 2, 2015 and mail back. That would be more realistic as the forms have been out for a year. However this approach would not work if CIC keep updating the same forms with new revisions every year. Sponsors can't use old revision forms when submitting the application.

Screech339

They can be visiting USA or somewhere close - you think they will verify that? All I am saying its possible to send and get it back.

 

[screech339]

They can be visiting USA or somewhere close - you think they will verify that? All I am saying its possible to send and get it back.

Be that as it may, it will raise a red flag, regardless of how the original came about in 1 day after the forms been released the day before.

And the fact that so many are doing this, will also set up a red flag. It may be a blip if one application was done with way but when you have thousands coming in on Jan 2nd signed with original inked signatures of parents thousands of miles away, is a dead giveaway.

If you think that you are the only one doing this method of faking a signature with jan 2nd date, good luck. There are probably thousands of others doing the same thing.

 

[user828]

Be that as it may, it will raise a red flag, regardless of how the original came about in 1 day after the forms been released the day before.

And the fact that so many are doing this, will also set up a red flag. It may be a blip if one application was done with way but when you have thousands coming in on Jan 2nd signed with original inked signatures of parents thousands of miles away, is a dead giveaway.

If you think that you are the only one doing this method of faking a signature with jan 2nd date, good luck. There are probably thousands of others doing the same thing.

My process got over after 6 year wait so its not me but I can sense others doing it ( or finding a way to get it signed within 2-3 days). I don't agree with the red flag thing, maybe wrong

 

[Jacaranda]

If passport copies are attached, thats the one they might compare form signatures to the ones on passport...

 

[screech339]

My process got over after 6 year wait so its not me but I can sense others doing it ( or finding a way to get it signed within 2-3 days). I don't agree with the red flag thing, maybe wrong

I apologize for saying that you were doing this. It was meant people in general who have done this already.

How can you say that it is not a flag if the forms are released jan 1st and you see applications coming in by next day delivery posted jan 2nd to arrive jan 3rd with jan2nd signed date. Not physically possible.

The only people capable of doing this are those who are here on supervisa.

 

[user828]

I apologize for saying that you were doing this. It was meant people in general who have done this already.

How can you say that it is not a flag if the forms are released jan 1st and you see applications coming in by next day delivery posted jan 2nd to arrive jan 3rd with jan2nd signed date. Not physically possible.

The only people capable of doing this are those who are here on supervisa.

I have told you, if parents visiting USA.or supervisa for that matter or get the letter to home country by someone who is travelling on those dates and similarly getting it back. Lot of travel agents arrange for docs to be taken in emergency ( for a price ) as fastest courier from say Canada to India takes 3-4 days )

Its not impossible, thats all I am saying

 

[goal80]

Like I had mentioned, if a person prints the form on 31st, has it sent via someone who is flying to the home country, parents signs it and sends via someone who is coming back so its possible to mail it via the 2nd. By the time the application it's in the hands of the visa officer, he doesn't know when it arrived exactly coz that process is probably done by someone before him.

Parents downloaded and printed the forms from the CIC website
Then they signed them and submitted them with someone who is travelling the Dec 31st
You received them on Jan 01st.

OR

Parents downloaded, printed and signed the forms .. and they submitted them using international emergency Express post to arrive next day. DHL actually provides this service.
So you received the forms on Jan 02


I want to tell you that I know a lot of people who signed for their parents in such applications. I have a collegue in my work who signed for their parents sponsorship on 2009. and they were asked to submit their passport to put the visas last week

 

[user828]

Parents downloaded and printed the forms from the CIC website
Then they signed them and submitted them with someone who is travelling the Dec 31st
You received them on Jan 01st.

OR

Parents downloaded, printed and signed the forms .. and they submitted them using international emergency Express post to arrive next day. DHL provides this service.
So you received the forms on Jan 02

Yes, absolutely - its very much possible thus I never saw this as an issue or red flag for any reason

 

[screech339]

Parents downloaded and printed the forms from the CIC website
Then they signed them and submitted them with someone who is travelling the Dec 31st
You received them on Jan 01st.

OR

Parents downloaded, printed and signed the forms .. and they submitted them using international emergency Express post to arrive next day. DHL actually provides this service.
So you received the forms on Jan 02

I want to tell you that I know a lot of people who signed for their parents in such applications. I have a collegue in my work who signed for their parents sponsorship on 2009. and they were asked to submit their passport to put the visas last week

I agree that it is possible if the forms are signed Jan 02 and the posted mailing from within Canada was say Jan3rd or 4th. The application may reach the sponsor within a day, the sponsor still need to gather that signed forms and mail it again to the CIC office. I don't think the parents can send the application directly to the CIC office without the sponsor's forms included. So again, it is not possible to have the completed application signed by parents and sponsor all done and completed with mailing posted date of Jan2nd to have to it arrive Jan 3rd while the parents are outside Canada.

You guys talk about next day delivery service. Yes it goes to the sponsor first, that's 1 day done and then another day done to mail it next day service from sponsor to CIC's office. That's two day minimum after day of official forms initially released. Again I say, it is pretty obvious that it is not possible to have parents sign the forms send it to sponsor on next day service, and the sponsor get it and mail it next day service, all in 24 hours delivery? Not possible if the posted dated was Jan 2nd to CIC office to arrive at CIC's office Jan3rd when applications were released Jan 1st. It would pass muster if the completed applications were posted at minimum Jan3rd and arriving at office Jan 4th.

 

[Rob_TO]

when applications were released Jan 1st.

If i remember, the new apps were released Dec 30 or 31st.

 

[screech339]

If i remember, the new apps were released Dec 30 or 31st.

If the applications were released to public on Dec 30 or 31, then the signed dated Jan 1st or 2nd will pass muster assuming the parents signed it postdated on Dec 30 or 31 and mailed it next day delivery.

Screech339

 

[Ponga]

What is possible, is that CIC already has the allotted 5000 applications `waiting in line' so those scrambling to submit may be disappointed altogether; with or without original signatures that are being debated back and forth.

Good luck to all!