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Sunnysohal said:
Yes. Now i will wait for her results and if it seems so complicated, i will decline this ITA.
Just afraid in case if score goes up in next draws.
here is the thing.
A spouse with university degree (espeically Master) and very decent language knowledge (CBL 8 to CBL 9 ) will actualy give you more points than what it will cost you.
Secondly you might hit Ontario NOI (if ITA will jump back up). And there all you need is to be 400+
So go for the missing documents (the faster the better).
 

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MattyTj said:
Question,
I created my EE profile using my online IELTS results which had everything but the "date of report." I ended up getting an ITA on 1 Mar. I got my printed score report a few days after that and everything was the same (scores and TRF number), but the date I guessed for the printed report was off.

What should I do? Amend the date on my eAPR and proceed? Decline the ITA then amend my EE application? I have 437 points and am fairly confident that I would make the next draw.

Any advice, especially if you have heard of the same or similar scenario?

Thanks!
If I were you I would decline and wait till the next one.
 

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MattyTj said:
Question,
I created my EE profile using my online IELTS results which had everything but the "date of report." I ended up getting an ITA on 1 Mar. I got my printed score report a few days after that and everything was the same (scores and TRF number), but the date I guessed for the printed report was off.

What should I do? Amend the date on my eAPR and proceed? Decline the ITA then amend my EE application? I have 437 points and am fairly confident that I would make the next draw.

Any advice, especially if you have heard of the same or similar scenario?

Thanks!
Important is that the date of results is latest on the day of ITA or earlier. That way you will meet the language criteria.
Good luck.
 

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MattyTj said:
Question,
I created my EE profile using my online IELTS results which had everything but the "date of report." I ended up getting an ITA on 1 Mar. I got my printed score report a few days after that and everything was the same (scores and TRF number), but the date I guessed for the printed report was off.

What should I do? Amend the date on my eAPR and proceed? Decline the ITA then amend my EE application? I have 437 points and am fairly confident that I would make the next draw.

Any advice, especially if you have heard of the same or similar scenario?

Thanks!
This is a difficult question to answer as it will mostly depend on the officer reviewing your application. S/He may claim you did not have a valid language score at the time of your ITA and cancel your application, although I thing this is highly unlikely (as you've proven you're qualified and they WANT qualified people)... Anyway, I think that if you sat your IELTS and got the result BEFORE the ITA you should be fine, as you can probably appeal against such a decision.

As vensak said, what matters is that you have a valid result after ITA and before you AOR, so they will probably just look at your IELTS certificate and make sure it's valid on the date of your AOR.

But kryt0n suggestion is quite valid if you want to be 100% safe!

You need to decide if you want to go ahead or risk the next draws... they could start reducing the number of ITAs and the scores could come up....

Good luck!
 

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vensak said:
Attention,
Since you are married already, changing your wife back to accompanying might trigger following action:
1. if you do it before AOR, then you have to provide proof that you have enough points with her on the day you have received your ITA (meaning that her IELTS general and ECA must be valid on that day). If you do not have it, then your application can get cancelled (as you could not put down enough proof to cut over CRS score).
Your understanding on how an application is assessed is incorrect.

"Under section A11.2, an officer may not issue a visa to an applicant who did not or does not meet the Express Entry minimum entry criteria (MEC) or did not or does not possess the qualifications for which they received their CRS score at the time when

the Invitation to Apply (ITA) was issued; or
the e-APR was received by IRCC
."

By the time the applicant submits his eAPR he will have his spouse's IETLS, his CRS will still be above the cutoff score of the draw for which he was invited AND he would still meet the MEC.

"An applicant’s CRS score is automatically recorded in GCMS at the time when

their ITA is issued; and
their e-APR is submitted.
At the time of the e-APR, processing officers should compare both CRS scores to determine which of the following scenarios should be applied:

If the applicant’s CRS score at the time of the e-APR is equal to or higher than the lowest-ranked score in the round of invitations, the application will not be refused under section A11.2, as long as the applicant’s supporting documentation corroborates their claims and they continue to meet the MEC for Express Entry, including the requirements of the program to which they were invited to apply.

If the applicant’s CRS score at the time of the e-APR is lower than the lowest-ranked score in the round of invitations, the application should be refused under section A11.2 for not having maintained the qualifications that would justify the ITA."
 

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I decided to be 100% safe and decline and fix the info. I'd rather wait a week or 2 for another draw which should be by most accounts at or below 437 than risk wasting time and money and rejection.

Thanks for all the advice and let's all pray for....428 and 3600 ITAs!
 

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DelPiero07 said:
Your understanding on how an application is assessed is incorrect.

"Under section A11.2, an officer may not issue a visa to an applicant who did not or does not meet the Express Entry minimum entry criteria (MEC) or did not or does not possess the qualifications for which they received their CRS score at the time when

the Invitation to Apply (ITA) was issued; or
the e-APR was received by IRCC
."

By the time the applicant submits his eAPR he will have his spouse's IETLS, his CRS will still be above the cutoff score of the draw for which he was invited AND he would still meet the MEC.

"An applicant’s CRS score is automatically recorded in GCMS at the time when

their ITA is issued; and
their e-APR is submitted.
At the time of the e-APR, processing officers should compare both CRS scores to determine which of the following scenarios should be applied:

If the applicant’s CRS score at the time of the e-APR is equal to or higher than the lowest-ranked score in the round of invitations, the application will not be refused under section A11.2, as long as the applicant’s supporting documentation corroborates their claims and they continue to meet the MEC for Express Entry, including the requirements of the program to which they were invited to apply.

If the applicant’s CRS score at the time of the e-APR is lower than the lowest-ranked score in the round of invitations, the application should be refused under section A11.2 for not having maintained the qualifications that would justify the ITA."
here is what he stated:

1. He was married before he got ITA
2. He put his spouse as non accompanying which gave him more points than what he would have with an accompanying spouse.
3. His spouse did not have any valid result of general IELTS test at the day of ITA (she only has academic IELTS, which however is not accepted for purpose of PR application)
4. He stated that if his spouse would get same or better results in IELTS and he would count his new IELTS results, it would put him on CRS score 436 points.

Now:
Under section A11.2, an officer may not issue a visa to an applicant who did not or does not meet the Express Entry minimum entry criteria (MEC) or did not or does not possess the qualifications for which they received their CRS score at the time when
the Invitation to Apply (ITA) was issued; or
•the e-APR was received by IRCC.


Would he continue with spuse as non-accompanying, be it with old or new IELTS (which is supposed to be valid for this ITA), he would meet criteria.

He can even try to change her status as accompanying after AOR (and await, that his points cannot change anymore).
But it can trigger following:

1. An Officer will check the supporting information from his side (including his marriage certificate on which date of marriage is visible)
2. An Officer can conclude, that he put his spouse as non accompanying for the purpose of getting higher CRS score (possible misinterpretation)
3. In this specific case, he can reclasify his application as with an accompanying spouse and recalculate his CRS score accordingly. In that case he would look at the application as if he was with accompanying spouse at the day of ITA.
4. Yes he can provide valid documents for his spouse (ECA and IELTS or TEF). But at the moment de did not state that he has any general IELTS from his spouse, that was valid on the day of ITA.
5. Not having it will cause his score drop below 434 points at the day of ITA (he stated, that he would reach 436 points only with new IELTS score from his wife which he does not have yet. And language of your spouse does give you more that 2 points).

That is his current problem.

As both language tests results and ECA must be valid at the day of ITA and the day of AOR.(unlike for work experience, where you can get reference letter issued on later date, but confirming your valid work experience that was already reached at the day of ITA).
 

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Again, you still fail to realize how an application is assessed.

or being the key word.
•the e-APR was received by IRCC

"As both language tests results and ECA must be valid at the day of ITA" - That would be correct if he were claiming points for such documents in order to obtain an ITA (which he did not). I would agree that he has to decline his ITA IF he claimed having such documents in order to increase his CRS (which again, he did not).

He has every right to change his mind and add his spouse as accompanying, what is the difference between adding her now and declining his ITA in order to add her? No difference whatsoever as he will still be eligible for the program for which he was invited AND his CRS will still be above the cutoff score when submitting his eAPR. The word misrepresentation is used too freely in this forum.
 

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DelPiero07 said:
Again, you still fail to realize how an application is assessed.

or being the key word.
•the e-APR was received by IRCC

"As both language tests results and ECA must be valid at the day of ITA" - That would be correct if he were claiming points for such documents in order to obtain an ITA (which he did not). I would agree that he has to decline his ITA IF he claimed having such documents in order to increase his CRS (which again, he did not).

He has every right to change his mind and add his spouse as accompanying, what is the difference between adding her now and declining his ITA in order to add her? No difference whatsoever as he will still be eligible for the program for which he was invited AND his CRS will still be above the cutoff score when submitting his eAPR. The word misrepresentation is used too freely in this forum.
Facts:
1. He stated that his spuse was already in his EE, but as a non accompanying spouse.
2. Would he put his spouse as an accompanying at the day of ITA, with his current evidence for points (from what he disclosed), he would not be able to receive his ITA at all (points would be below last ITA draw).

What is misinterpretation:
If you lie on an application or in an interview with a CIC officer, this is also fraud and a crime.

Now if he would proceed with AOR as non accompanying and then suddenly his wife would change her mind, is highly suspicious.
Sure she can change her mind, but to do so only after he will get his AOR is convinient.

An immigration officer can see it as possible lie on purpose in order (her pretending to be non accompanying and suddently wanted to accompany him) to get ITA and AOR done.

So in order to determine, if he was doing whole excercise for this purpose, that officer can open the whole file and recalculate his score as if his wife was accompanying at the day of ITA.
And for that he does not have evidence that his score would have been high enough.

Would people use this way in order to get their way in? Of course they would. (actually it is a pretty common thinking of how to increase your points).

There is also whole bunch of marriage right after ITA. Just it is rather impossible to proove if such action was planned ahead and the applicant was staying single until AOR was received.
 

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"So in order to determine, if he was doing whole excercise for this purpose, that officer can open the whole file and recalculate his score as if his wife was accompanying at the day of ITA.
And for that he does not have evidence that his score would have been high enough."

If you provide a clear source for this I will gladly eat my words.

You still insist that the assessment is done when an applicant obtains an ITA and fail to comment on the fact that it is also clearly stated that:" If the applicant’s CRS score at the time of the e-APR is equal to or higher than the lowest-ranked score in the round of invitations, the application will not be refused under section A11.2, as long as the applicant’s supporting documentation corroborates their claims and they continue to meet the MEC for Express Entry, including the requirements of the program to which they were invited to apply."

Whether I agree or not to what people do in order to obtain ITA's is irrelevant. People are as blunt as to say "my spouse is not accompanying as my score would be lower" as a reason for non-accompanying. It is what is is. He can go ahead and decline his ITA but I will feel bad for the guy if he has to wait a while to get another one.

Change in circumstance declared - check
Requirement to maintain MEC - check
Requirement to maintain CRS - check
 

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Hello friends,

i have a question that if i get married after getting ITA, then how to add spouse i mean when it will good to add at what stage. Appreciate your valuable responses.
 

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app4ee said:
Hello friends,

i have a question that if i get married after getting ITA, then how to add spouse i mean when it will good to add at what stage. Appreciate your valuable responses.
If you get married and add your spouse between the ITA and eAPR stages then your points would get recalculated and if you fall below the cutoff score for which you received your invitation your application would get rejected.

If you get married after submitting your eAPR then your points won't get recalculated and you will simply be asked to provide his/her medicals, PCC, marriage certificate along other forms.
 

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Does it matter if you change something that does not impact the score? For example, the field that says "date first became qualified to practice in this job". I've changed mine from the date of the first job (pre ITA) to my graduation date (post ITA).
 

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uppperkut said:
Does it matter if you change something that does not impact the score? For example, the field that says "date first became qualified to practice in this job". I've changed mine from the date of the first job (pre ITA) to my graduation date (post ITA).
just beware of falling in misinterpretation

you did the right thing however
 

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uppperkut said:
Does it matter if you change something that does not impact the score? For example, the field that says "date first became qualified to practice in this job". I've changed mine from the date of the first job (pre ITA) to my graduation date (post ITA).
Normally no... but in you case it seems strange...

So if you're first became qualified to do a job after your ITA, what kind of Work Exp are you claiming you had previous to ITA? To me that's a red flag, but would be nice to hear what other have to say about that...