Reasons for Rejection
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Wow I am so sorry to see rejections bbased on NOC error... 
I want to ask you for mine. I claimed it is 1225.
I am purchasing and supply specialist in a company producing socks for a big external client.
I do supply everything related with packaging including partially spare parts for equipment and chemicals.
I do the researches for new suppliers, do the quotation negotiations. I negotiate the payment terms, provide the specification of the products which we need to our suppliers, make assessment of different suppliers quotations in order to chose the best one. I regulate the delivery schedules, in case of quality issues contact the suppliers to solve it, monitor their performance and provide assessment reports at the end of the year for all of them to my direct manager.
There are other people who work in the warehouses and take care of the stock. I have bachelor in administration.
This is the info for noc 1225:
Purchasing agents and officers purchase general and specialized equipment, materials, land or access rights and business services for use or for further processing by their establishment. They are employed throughout the public and private sectors.
Illustrative example(s)
contract management officer
contracts officer
energy asset surface land analyst
materiel management officer
procurement officer
purchaser, furniture and furnishings
purchasing agent
supply officer, government
All examples
Exclusion(s)
Purchasing and inventory control workers (1524)
Purchasing managers (0113)
Retail and wholesale buyers (6222)
Main duties
Purchasing agents and officers perform some or all of the following duties:
Purchase general and specialized equipment, materials, land or access rights, or business services for use or for further processing by their establishment
Assess requirements of an establishment and develop specifications for equipment, materials and supplies to be purchased
Invite tenders, consult with suppliers and review quotations
Determine or negotiate contract terms and conditions, award supplier contracts or recommend contract awards
Establish logistics of delivery schedules, monitor progress and contact clients and suppliers to resolve problems
Negotiate land acquisition or access rights for public or private use, and may conduct field investigations of properties
May hire, train or supervise purchasing clerks.
Purchasing agents and officers may specialize in the purchase of particular materials or business services such as furniture or office equipment.
Employment requirements
A bachelor's degree or college diploma in business administration, commerce or economics is usually required.
My fear is that there is another NOC that includes many of my duties but also many of them are performed by the persin who takes care of the inventory in my warehouse. He cares of relocating stock, maintains stock rotation, provides lowered in quantities item to me to be supplied, issues material to the different production zones from the main warehouse.
This is NOC 1524- Purchasing and inventory control workers
Purchasing and inventory control workers process purchasing transactions and maintain inventories of materials, equipment and stock. They are employed by retail and wholesale establishments, manufacturing companies, government agencies and other establishments.
Illustrative example(s)
inventory analyst
inventory clerk
inventory control clerk
inventory planner
procurement clerk
purchasing clerk
purchasing clerk assistant
All examples
Exclusion(s)
Purchasing agents and officers (1225)
Retail and wholesale buyers (6222)
Storekeepers and partspersons (1522)
Supervisors of purchasing and inventory clerks (See 1215 Supervisors, supply chain, tracking and scheduling co-ordination occupations)
Main duties
Purchasing control workers perform some or all of the following duties:
Review requisition orders for accuracy and verify that materials, equipment and stock are not available from current inventories
Source and obtain price quotations from catalogues and suppliers and prepare purchase orders
Calculate cost of orders and charge or forward invoices to appropriate accounts
Process purchases within purchasing authority
Contact suppliers to schedule deliveries and to resolve shortages, missed deliveries and other problems
Prepare and maintain purchasing files, reports and price lists.
Inventory control workers perform some or all of the following duties:
Monitor inventory levels as materials, equipment and stock are issued, transferred within an establishment or sold to the public using manual or computerized inventory systems
Compile inventory reports, recording the quantity, type and value of materials, equipment and stock on hand, using manual or computerized inventory systems
Prepare requisition orders to replenish materials, equipment and stock
Maintain stock rotation and dispose of and account for outdated stock
Enter data for production scheduling, stock replenishment/relocation and inventory adjustments
Reconcile physical inventories with computer counts.
Employment requirements
Completion of secondary school is usually required.
Courses in purchasing management may be required for purchasing clerks.
Courses in production and inventory management and ability to operate a computerized inventory system may be required for inventory clerks.
Additional information
The duties of purchasing and inventory clerks may overlap in some establishments.
Progression to supervisory positions or more senior occupations such as purchasing agent or retail buyer is possible with additional training or experience.
What is the essential difference between those two and did I chose correctly?
I want to ask you for mine. I claimed it is 1225.
I am purchasing and supply specialist in a company producing socks for a big external client.
I do supply everything related with packaging including partially spare parts for equipment and chemicals.
I do the researches for new suppliers, do the quotation negotiations. I negotiate the payment terms, provide the specification of the products which we need to our suppliers, make assessment of different suppliers quotations in order to chose the best one. I regulate the delivery schedules, in case of quality issues contact the suppliers to solve it, monitor their performance and provide assessment reports at the end of the year for all of them to my direct manager.
There are other people who work in the warehouses and take care of the stock. I have bachelor in administration.
This is the info for noc 1225:
Purchasing agents and officers purchase general and specialized equipment, materials, land or access rights and business services for use or for further processing by their establishment. They are employed throughout the public and private sectors.
Illustrative example(s)
contract management officer
contracts officer
energy asset surface land analyst
materiel management officer
procurement officer
purchaser, furniture and furnishings
purchasing agent
supply officer, government
All examples
Exclusion(s)
Purchasing and inventory control workers (1524)
Purchasing managers (0113)
Retail and wholesale buyers (6222)
Main duties
Purchasing agents and officers perform some or all of the following duties:
Purchase general and specialized equipment, materials, land or access rights, or business services for use or for further processing by their establishment
Assess requirements of an establishment and develop specifications for equipment, materials and supplies to be purchased
Invite tenders, consult with suppliers and review quotations
Determine or negotiate contract terms and conditions, award supplier contracts or recommend contract awards
Establish logistics of delivery schedules, monitor progress and contact clients and suppliers to resolve problems
Negotiate land acquisition or access rights for public or private use, and may conduct field investigations of properties
May hire, train or supervise purchasing clerks.
Purchasing agents and officers may specialize in the purchase of particular materials or business services such as furniture or office equipment.
Employment requirements
A bachelor's degree or college diploma in business administration, commerce or economics is usually required.
My fear is that there is another NOC that includes many of my duties but also many of them are performed by the persin who takes care of the inventory in my warehouse. He cares of relocating stock, maintains stock rotation, provides lowered in quantities item to me to be supplied, issues material to the different production zones from the main warehouse.
This is NOC 1524- Purchasing and inventory control workers
Purchasing and inventory control workers process purchasing transactions and maintain inventories of materials, equipment and stock. They are employed by retail and wholesale establishments, manufacturing companies, government agencies and other establishments.
Illustrative example(s)
inventory analyst
inventory clerk
inventory control clerk
inventory planner
procurement clerk
purchasing clerk
purchasing clerk assistant
All examples
Exclusion(s)
Purchasing agents and officers (1225)
Retail and wholesale buyers (6222)
Storekeepers and partspersons (1522)
Supervisors of purchasing and inventory clerks (See 1215 Supervisors, supply chain, tracking and scheduling co-ordination occupations)
Main duties
Purchasing control workers perform some or all of the following duties:
Review requisition orders for accuracy and verify that materials, equipment and stock are not available from current inventories
Source and obtain price quotations from catalogues and suppliers and prepare purchase orders
Calculate cost of orders and charge or forward invoices to appropriate accounts
Process purchases within purchasing authority
Contact suppliers to schedule deliveries and to resolve shortages, missed deliveries and other problems
Prepare and maintain purchasing files, reports and price lists.
Inventory control workers perform some or all of the following duties:
Monitor inventory levels as materials, equipment and stock are issued, transferred within an establishment or sold to the public using manual or computerized inventory systems
Compile inventory reports, recording the quantity, type and value of materials, equipment and stock on hand, using manual or computerized inventory systems
Prepare requisition orders to replenish materials, equipment and stock
Maintain stock rotation and dispose of and account for outdated stock
Enter data for production scheduling, stock replenishment/relocation and inventory adjustments
Reconcile physical inventories with computer counts.
Employment requirements
Completion of secondary school is usually required.
Courses in purchasing management may be required for purchasing clerks.
Courses in production and inventory management and ability to operate a computerized inventory system may be required for inventory clerks.
Additional information
The duties of purchasing and inventory clerks may overlap in some establishments.
Progression to supervisory positions or more senior occupations such as purchasing agent or retail buyer is possible with additional training or experience.
What is the essential difference between those two and did I chose correctly?
Now I feel really scared, cause I have also 3 years of experience in 6221, which is part of my application and CRS score.
My reference letter states the following duties:
- search for customers, promote the electrical equipment
- identify the customers' needs and offer the most suitable equipment
- negotiate the prices
- develop the commercial offers and sales presentations
- prepare and manage the sales contracts and specifications
- perform market researches, find out the competitors' prices
- calculate the profitability and cost of intallation of the equipment
- support of the customers after shipment and installation of the equipment
They seem to match the noc, but not a word is mentioned that sales were wholesale. But actually they were, I signed contracts worth billions.
My reference letter states the following duties:
- search for customers, promote the electrical equipment
- identify the customers' needs and offer the most suitable equipment
- negotiate the prices
- develop the commercial offers and sales presentations
- prepare and manage the sales contracts and specifications
- perform market researches, find out the competitors' prices
- calculate the profitability and cost of intallation of the equipment
- support of the customers after shipment and installation of the equipment
They seem to match the noc, but not a word is mentioned that sales were wholesale. But actually they were, I signed contracts worth billions.
Wow, sorry to hear that kaypee786.
That is the exact thing that I am worried about with my Canadian experience bringing my score down to just below the minimum entry in my draw. This doesn't bode well for me
That is the exact thing that I am worried about with my Canadian experience bringing my score down to just below the minimum entry in my draw. This doesn't bode well for me
Hi kaypee786, it seems that CIC are getting more black and white (and relying less on shades of grey). I am very sorry to hear about this. The devastation you are feeling must be unbearable.
As hard as it was for me to reject my ITA's before (for not having the 365 days of experience), I feel it is still better than possibly accepting it and having to go through what you are going through now. Take care of yourself.
As hard as it was for me to reject my ITA's before (for not having the 365 days of experience), I feel it is still better than possibly accepting it and having to go through what you are going through now. Take care of yourself.
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OMG this has to be some kind of an uncanny coincidence!...A really bad one.kaypee786 said:Hi everyone, my app has been refused , May AOR, and file submitted on 25 may 2015, I dont know what to do now. It came as a big shock after a very long wait. what should I do now can anyone suggest me.
I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled
worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
Section 11.2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act directs that an officer may not issue a visa or
other document in respect of an application for permanent residence to a foreign national who was issued
an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at
the time the officer received their application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an
instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they
were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the
invitation.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada invited you to apply for permanent resident status based on the
qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. Those qualification claims and the
accompanying Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points awarded were summarized in your
invitation letter.
In your Express Entry profile you indicated that you had Canadian work experience. The Ministerial
Instructions Respecting the Express Entry System states that For the purpose of this section, Canadian
work experience is work experience that is acquired by the accompanying spouse or common-law partner
of the foreign national in Canada in one or more occupations listed in Skill Type 0 Management
Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the National Occupational Classification (NOC) matrix; consists of
full-time work experience, or the full-time equivalent for part-time work experience, with one or more
employers; and is acquired within the 10-year period preceding the day on which points are assigned to
the foreign national under subsection (1). Furthermore, in order for the foreign national to be assigned
points under subsection (1) for the Canadian work experience of their accompanying spouse or commonlaw partner, the foreign national must specify in their expression of interest the four-digit code in the
National Occupational Classification that corresponds to each of the occupations that the accompanying
spouse or common-law partner has engaged in while accumulating their Canadian work experience; and
the spouse or common-law partner must have performed the actions described in the lead statement for
the occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification, as
well as a substantial number of the main duties, including all essential duties, as set out in the National
Occupational Classification.
I am not satisfied that you meet all these requirements. You have declared Canadian work experience
with Nexera Wireless under NOC 6221, Technical sales specialist. Based on evidence you provided, I am
not satisfied that you sold wholesale a range of technical goods and services, such as telecommunications
services and computer services, to governments and to commercial and industrial establishments in
domestic and international localities. Furthermore, I am not satisfied that this employer is a wholesaler
that caters to governments and to commercial and industrial establishments in domestic and international
localities. I am therefore not satisfied that you the actions described in the lead statement for the
occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification nor that
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you acquired experience listed in Skill Type 0 Management Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the
NOC matrix for this period.
In accordance with section 11.2 of the Act and Subsection 82(1) of the Regulations, I am refusing your
application because I have found that you do not possess the qualification on the basis of which you were
ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h). This change in your qualifications resulted
in a loss of points that brought your rank below the lowest ranking person who was invited to apply in
your round, under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking System.
Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the
Act and the regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.
You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid
You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website as you are no longer an Express
Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from
any private job board websites, if you used any.
Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national
must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the
regulations. The visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that
the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies
that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it.
Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada.
We are sorry to hear your rejection...But guess take it in your stride and try to move on and start afresh!
All the best to you!
When did you get your EAOR ????kaypee786 said:Hi everyone, my app has been refused , May AOR, and file submitted on 25 may 2015, I dont know what to do now. It came as a big shock after a very long wait. what should I do now can anyone suggest me.
I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled
worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
Section 11.2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act directs that an officer may not issue a visa or
other document in respect of an application for permanent residence to a foreign national who was issued
an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at
the time the officer received their application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an
instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they
were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the
invitation.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada invited you to apply for permanent resident status based on the
qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. Those qualification claims and the
accompanying Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points awarded were summarized in your
invitation letter.
In your Express Entry profile you indicated that you had Canadian work experience. The Ministerial
Instructions Respecting the Express Entry System states that For the purpose of this section, Canadian
work experience is work experience that is acquired by the accompanying spouse or common-law partner
of the foreign national in Canada in one or more occupations listed in Skill Type 0 Management
Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the National Occupational Classification (NOC) matrix; consists of
full-time work experience, or the full-time equivalent for part-time work experience, with one or more
employers; and is acquired within the 10-year period preceding the day on which points are assigned to
the foreign national under subsection (1). Furthermore, in order for the foreign national to be assigned
points under subsection (1) for the Canadian work experience of their accompanying spouse or commonlaw partner, the foreign national must specify in their expression of interest the four-digit code in the
National Occupational Classification that corresponds to each of the occupations that the accompanying
spouse or common-law partner has engaged in while accumulating their Canadian work experience; and
the spouse or common-law partner must have performed the actions described in the lead statement for
the occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification, as
well as a substantial number of the main duties, including all essential duties, as set out in the National
Occupational Classification.
I am not satisfied that you meet all these requirements. You have declared Canadian work experience
with Nexera Wireless under NOC 6221, Technical sales specialist. Based on evidence you provided, I am
not satisfied that you sold wholesale a range of technical goods and services, such as telecommunications
services and computer services, to governments and to commercial and industrial establishments in
domestic and international localities. Furthermore, I am not satisfied that this employer is a wholesaler
that caters to governments and to commercial and industrial establishments in domestic and international
localities. I am therefore not satisfied that you the actions described in the lead statement for the
occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification nor that
2
you acquired experience listed in Skill Type 0 Management Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the
NOC matrix for this period.
In accordance with section 11.2 of the Act and Subsection 82(1) of the Regulations, I am refusing your
application because I have found that you do not possess the qualification on the basis of which you were
ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h). This change in your qualifications resulted
in a loss of points that brought your rank below the lowest ranking person who was invited to apply in
your round, under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking System.
Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the
Act and the regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.
You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid
You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website as you are no longer an Express
Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from
any private job board websites, if you used any.
Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national
must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the
regulations. The visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that
the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies
that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it.
Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada.
Does NOC has any effect on CRS points.
my understanding is 1 year experience will be counted regardless of job type ?
or it it a must that your job experience NOC matches the NOC of your education degree to get the points ?
my understanding is 1 year experience will be counted regardless of job type ?
or it it a must that your job experience NOC matches the NOC of your education degree to get the points ?
you have to have proof of responsibility for wholesale - like responding to RFPs/Proposals writing, bid management..etc.Russian said:
see my earlier post for 6221 telecom
I applied thru agency, should my agency apply for GCMS or I my self can apply for GCMS notes. Kindly let me know your thought.
There is no specific law mandating any thing like this i.e. requirement to stay in the province. However, to be safe you need to have evidence of the fact that you originally planned and attempted to stay in the province.hambousha said:
As long as you can show that you initially tried and your circumstances changed latter (i.e. say got a job offer after trying / staying in current province of nomination, you should be good.