Reasons for Rejection

[ETE]

You don't have to upload the the document unless you are asked to do so. That statement just says you have to include the assessment, which is your reference number. You do have to have a hard copy in case ask for it. There have been people who have gotten their PRs without ever having to upload that or their langauge tests.
Every person on this board, at least all the ones I have read, who claim to have been rejected for not uploading the ECA have turned out to have been rejected for reasons other than the ECA. It's been because they didn't upload their diplomas, they got the ECA for the wrong degree they claimed, they filled out the reference number in the EE profile but didn't fill out the number again in the actual application, or they didn't get ECAs for all the degrees they claimed. So, don't panic about it.

The thing is that, this reference number transfers onto your application before you you submit it and all you have to do is check that its there. You are making it sound like you always have to refill the reference number.

 

[AshesNdust]

The thing is that, this reference number transfers onto your application before you you submit it and all you have to do is check that its there. You are making it sound like you always have to refill the reference number.

It doesn't always transfer. Mine didn't, neither did my langauge ref. number. I never said you always have to fill it. In fact I never every talked out filling it out. I pointed that someone who thought they were rejected because they didn't upload the ECA actually found out it was because the reference number didn't automatically get transfered into the application.
Where exactly did I claim or imply that the number never transfers? Simply put, I never said that. I do think that everyone *should* double check to make sure the number is in that field or else they WILL get rejected. If someone did claim it doesn't transfer, then it wasn't me and, personally, I have no problem if people thought that it didn't transfer because it would make them check the field and ensure that they don't fall victim to it.
It does surprise me that the CIC doesn't ask for uploads of the ECAs or the langauge tests, considering that for FSW you need both. My guess is that they don't want any extra paperwork which just slows things down. They have access to the ECAs and langauge testing centers databases so it's probably easier and actually less chance of fraud if they just access them directly.

 

[ETE]

It doesn't always transfer. Mine didn't, neither did my langauge ref. number. I never said you always have to fill it. In fact I never every talked out filling it out. I pointed that someone who thought they were rejected because they didn't upload the ECA actually found out it was because the reference number didn't automatically get transfered into the application.
Where exactly did I claim or imply that the number never transfers? Simply put, I never said that. I do think that everyone *should* double check to make sure the number is in that field or else they WILL get rejected. If someone did claim it doesn't transfer, then it wasn't me and, personally, I have no problem if people thought that it didn't transfer because it would make them check the field and ensure that they don't fall victim to it.
It does surprise me that the CIC doesn't ask for uploads of the ECAs or the langauge tests, considering that for FSW you need both. My guess is that they don't want any extra paperwork which just slows things down. They have access to the ECAs and langauge testing centers databases so it's probably easier and actually less chance of fraud if they just access them directly.

Yeah good thing you clarified that. I also see your logic about the whole putting it in people's mind to double check that the numbers are actually transferred.
I actually find it weird that people don't notice this, as immediately you start filling out an application, after ITA, one of the first screen that appears is the detail about your WES and IELTS, they do this because people's circumstances might change. Chances could be that they skipped that step, with the hope of returning back to it before finally submitting their application.
I am guessing those that filled their profile early Jan before the first draw had most of their information transferred.
Anyway, its good people know all these things to prevent rejection or delay in processing.

 

[katja2684]

I was asked by the consultant who helped me submitting my application to provide the scans of my original bachelor degree, diploma supplement,their certified translation,along with the copy of the ECA from WES.
I know the majority of people on this forum consider consultants a waste of time and money, I'm just sharing my experience.

 

[Anya654]

I was asked by the consultant who helped me submitting my application to provide the scans of my original bachelor degree, diploma supplement,their certified translation,along with the copy of the ECA from WES.
I know the majority of people on this forum consider consultants a waste of time and money, I'm just sharing my experience.

I also included all these. It didn't take me a consultant to figure it out. Just saying.

 

[Asivad Anac]

I was asked by the consultant who helped me submitting my application to provide the scans of my original bachelor degree, diploma supplement,their certified translation,along with the copy of the ECA from WES.
I know the majority of people on this forum consider consultants a waste of time and money, I'm just sharing my experience.

Consultants are worth the time and money only for those people who are,

1. Not familiar with English to an extent where it limits their understanding of the process and makes them more prone to errors hence rejections.

2. Lazy and can't be bothered to do their research where needed or ask repeated questions on online forums to get clarity or trawl through endless pages of boring threads to pull out that one nugget of information that they seek.

3. Busy and can't afford to step away from their day jobs enough to read, research and apply. For them, the opportunity cost of staying away from work is higher than what they pay the consultant.

For everyone else, immigration consultants (similar to consultants elsewhere) are an overpaid breed who simply tell their clients what the clients would figure out on their own with a little bit of effort on their part.

I've no issues with that - it is a good business model and caveat emptor applies there as well.

 

[I_love_van]

Hello Senior,
I have done the ECA through WES. CIC asked for the ECA certificate number, is that Reference # on the WES report?
If so, my reference number is XXX/js, do I need to put /js when answering this question?

 

[Asivad Anac]

Hello Senior,
I have done the ECA through WES. CIC asked for the ECA certificate number, is that Reference # on the WES report?
If so, my reference number is XXX/js, do I need to put /js when answering this question?

WES reference number is the XXXX bit. The bits after '/' seem to be some internal codes for WES that are common to other applicants as well.

To answer your question, you are free to input it as-it-is or just the stuff before '/'.

 

[ETE]

Consultants are worth the time and money only for those people who are,

1. Not familiar with English to an extent where it limits their understanding of the process and makes them more prone to errors hence rejections.

2. Lazy and can't be bothered to do their research where needed or ask repeated questions on online forums to get clarity or trawl through endless pages of boring threads to pull out that one nugget of information that they seek.

3. Busy and can't afford to step away from their day jobs enough to read, research and apply. For them, the opportunity cost of staying away from work is higher than what they pay the consultant.

For everyone else, immigration consultants (similar to consultants elsewhere) are an overpaid breed who simply tell their clients what the clients would figure out on their own with a little bit of effort on their part.

I've no issues with that - it is a good business model and caveat emptor applies there as well.

Ok i disagree with you there. Immigration Consultants are there for a purpose. Even if the above three options don't apply to you, you could use a consultant for an extra eye on your application. Before express entry most people made use of consultant. Express entry is an enhancement on the old method and as such i do believe these consultants have a wealth of knowledge that they could use to help you with your application.
Don't write consultants off.

 

[OmarSarfraz]

I have gotten experience letters from all my employers with payslips, Job title and Job description.

However of the employer who I worked with; in 2011 is not writing my salary on the letter and not even providing me with a payslip as they don't have old records of salaries etc. and think that it is too much responsibility at their end in case CIC checks with them. Should I send it without salary mentioned anywhere or will CIC think its fake?

Thanks!

 

[katja2684]

I also included all these. It didn't take me a consultant to figure it out. Just saying.

Congratulations you are very clever!Will you sleep better at night now that someone fed your ego for the day?You can make smart comments on other threads too...just saying

 

[katja2684]

Ok i disagree with you there. Immigration Consultants are there for a purpose. Even if the above three options don't apply to you, you could use a consultant for an extra eye on your application. Before express entry most people made use of consultant. Express entry is an enhancement on the old method and as such i do believe these consultants have a wealth of knowledge that they could use to help you with your application.
Don't write consultants off.

A good consultant can find a way to help you because they know from the experience of dealing with CIC how far can the limits be pushed.

 

[ETE]

A good consultant can find a way to help you because they know from the experience of dealing with CIC how far can the limits be pushed.

Yeah thats correct. People shouldn't write them off.

 

[katja2684]

Consultants are worth the time and money only for those people who are,

1. Not familiar with English to an extent where it limits their understanding of the process and makes them more prone to errors hence rejections.

2. Lazy and can't be bothered to do their research where needed or ask repeated questions on online forums to get clarity or trawl through endless pages of boring threads to pull out that one nugget of information that they seek.

3. Busy and can't afford to step away from their day jobs enough to read, research and apply. For them, the opportunity cost of staying away from work is higher than what they pay the consultant.

For everyone else, immigration consultants (similar to consultants elsewhere) are an overpaid breed who simply tell their clients what the clients would figure out on their own with a little bit of effort on their part.

I've no issues with that - it is a good business model and caveat emptor applies there as well.

Sorry Asivad I think we aren't talking about the same kind of consultants.I was referring to experienced and smart consultants who know how to deal with CIC, how to prepare an application so that CIC won't come back with tons of questions, and who read in between the lines of the rules to buy you an advantage.
Overpaid or not, you can hold a consultant accountable for their work, which is safer than blindly listening to advices on immigration forums.

 

[ETE]

Sorry Asivad I think we aren't talking about the same kind of consultants.I was referring to experienced and smart consultants who know how to deal with CIC, how to prepare an application so that CIC won't come back with tons of questions, and who read in between the lines of the rules to buy you an advantage.
Overpaid or not, you can hold a consultant accountable for their work, which is safer than blindly listening to advices on immigration forums.

The key word here is "experienced and smart consultants". If you want a consultant to help with such life changing situation, then it is your duty to make sure you go for consultants who are knowledgeable and who have a track record of success.
However, the advices given on this forum are legit ones and they have helped people in their applications. Do not belittle the information that is gotten on here. Besides, these people are not paid and yet they go out of their way to help people. I for one have benefited from these forums and also from speaking to qualified immigration consultants.
Asivad has helped a lot of people on this forum including me and so i understand what she/he is saying. She/he means you just have to be careful when deciding whether to use a consultant or not.