Potential changes in Express Entry in upcoming months (released by IRCC)

[JALT]

If one of the reasons of reviewing whole lmia role in express entry is to make sure that they want to give more ITAs to candidates with high human capital factors, how would they deal with express entry Pnp's?

Even though we can say that lmia and express entry Pnp's are not similar, both of them will effect the candidates with more human capital factors in a same way. It's Intresting as government is not commenting anything on these pnps

That's a very good point!

Maybe it's just because the various PNP EE streams don't account for a great deal of people (a lot of the PNP streams are still paper-based).

 

[Alexios07]

If one of the reasons of reviewing whole lmia role in express entry is to make sure that they want to give more ITAs to candidates with high human capital factors, how would they deal with express entry Pnp's?

Even though we can say that lmia and express entry Pnp's are not similar, both of them will effect the candidates with more human capital factors in a same way. It's Intresting as government is not commenting anything on these pnps

PNP candidates usually have high score for human capital factors as well, at least for non-low-skilled streams. However, PNPs are provincial programs which designed to suit specific desires by the provincial governments, so Federal government has no say in what each PNPs should do except setting quotas.

 

[karenv]

I just hope that every international students that has a full-time job for a year in NOC O, A and B can have 200 points. That's good enough for all of my friends to get ITA and continue their lives in Canada without any hassles and worries.

 

[Alexios07]

I just hope that every international students that has a full-time job for a year in NOC O, A and B can have 200 points. That's good enough for all of my friends to get ITA and continue their lives in Canada without any hassles and worries.

200 points for CEC stream is too many. For me, giving us extra 30 or 50 points is more than enough since a young former int'l student with Bachelor degree, CLB 8 and one year Canadian work experience in NOC 0, A or B has 415 points already.

 

[anarsoul]

Don't forget about quota before getting too excited. There won't be a PR for every international student. Too many international students.

 

[Alexios07]

Don't forget about quota before getting too excited. There won't be a PR for every international student. Too many international students.

Who said anything about PR for every int'l students? this is a point-based system, not a floodgate. You get enough points? you get in, you don't? you wait.

 

[ButterflyChemist]

I don't know why, but your wording sounds pretty condescending. This is a point-based system, for an economic program with a finite quota, so of course, if I get an ITA, the chance for other people to get one will be less. Even Mr. McCallum and IRCC recognize that with the current Express Entry system, former international students are having disadvantages compared to FSWs and other groups.

Don't you think by getting an LMIA you also robbed an ITA from someone in the EE system?

Robbed someone? Do explain how I've robbed anyone? Who's God given right did I take? Do tell me who was entitled to the spot I've stolen.

 

[Alexios07]

Robbed someone? Do explain how I've robbed anyone? Who's God given right did I take? Do tell me who was entitled to the spot I've stolen.

Well, you like you said, we, the CEC applicants, "are a hoping for the demise of other groups to your own benefit".

You by getting PR through LMIA, means someone in Express Entry system will lose his or her ITA, due to the quota. Your gain is their loss right? I'm just using your own logic.

But honestly, these changes to LMIA are proposing by the ruling government, not by myself, so if you are not comfortable with it, then just go somewhere else, no need for any of your condescending comment here.

I have a feeling many of you are a hoping for the demise of other groups to your own benefit will not be so pleased when these new changes your waiting with bated breath arrive.

 

[ButterflyChemist]

Well, you like you said, we, the CEC applicants, "are a hoping for the demise of other groups to your own benefit".

You by getting PR through LMIA, means someone in Express Entry system will lose his or her ITA, due to the quota. Your gain is their loss right? I'm just using your own logic.

But honestly, these changes to LMIA are proposing by the ruling government, not by myself, so if you are not comfortable with it, then just go somewhere else, no need for any of your condescending comment here.

I fail to see how my LMIA affected the cut off score. Whether I have no one or not doesn't affect the score cic sets. If you want to talk condescension then look at your repeated belittling of cooks because they have lmias.

You repeatedly talk about that group of people as if they are less than and I guess by speaking out against that I not only have an LMIA but I must also be a cook.

 

[joelthakkar]

Thanks for the summary.

Well, I already applied for ECA report and hope that it comes equivalent to canadian bachelors degree / advance diploma as accord. to this news : extra points will be given to only with 1) bachelors 2) 2 or more certs/dip/deg 3) Masters and 4) PHDs.

And now off to learn french soon...will probably wait till exact details are announced so i can check if they are increasing points for each module of french or not.

Dont have any siblings so cannot claim point for that.

I am currently living in toronto and LMIA is very difficult to get in toronto. Thus, LMIA changes really dont affect me but still if they keep LMIA points around like 100-200 then many of us may move to smaller cities near toronto for our field jobs to get positive LMIA and get above the cut-off points. Well, at-least it is better than moving to a far-off province.

 

[joelthakkar]

I fail to see how my LMIA affected the cut off score. Whether I have no one or not doesn't affect the score cic sets. If you want to talk condescension then look at your repeated belittling of cooks because they have lmias.

You repeatedly talk about that group of people as if they are less than and I guess by speaking out against that I not only have an LMIA but I must also be a cook.

Even if your LMIA score affected cut-off, it is not your fault. There is limited quota and everyone is fighting for their points. Everyone has their own point of view.

CEC People will think : Oh we spend $25-30k for 2 years of studies in canada and we are not getting PR...while these FSW people will get PR directly from their home country...

FSW people will think : oh..these CEC people can move to any province they like and get pnp nomination and we cannot do like that..so we have a big disadvantage over them...

Non-LMIA people will think : LMIA people are getting unfair advantage as i live in big city so LMIA is very hard for me or my employer won't go through LMIA process...

and it goes on and on...

 

[Alexios07]

I fail to see how my LMIA affected the cut off score. Whether I have no one or not doesn't affect the score cic sets. If you want to talk condescension then look at your repeated belittling of cooks because they have lmias.

You repeatedly talk about that group of people as if they are less than and I guess by speaking out against that I not only have an LMIA but I must also be a cook.

Looks like you love bending my words to support your arguments. I didn't belittle anyone simply because they have LMIA. I simply pointed out that LMIA has not worked out as IRCC wants, as they attracted too many low-skilled applicants instead of high-skilled ones.

Mind you, Express Entry is an economic program, not a humanitarian effort, so what they want are high-skilled workers who have high-paying jobs to pay more taxes in order to support the aging population, not low-skilled workers working minimum wages or barely above minimum wages. That's why IRCC is making these changes to halt the flow of low-skilled workers trying to get LMIA.

 

[johnny123]

Looks like you love bending my words to support your arguments. I didn't belittle anyone simply because they have LMIA. I simply pointed out that LMIA has not worked out as IRCC wants, as they attracted too many low-skilled applicants instead of high-skilled ones.

Mind you, Express Entry is an economic program, not a humanitarian effort, so what they want are high-skilled workers who have high-paying jobs to pay more taxes in order to support the aging population, not low-skilled workers working minimum wages or barely above minimum wages. That's why IRCC is making these changes to halt the flow of low-skilled workers trying to get LMIA.

Just to point out that cooks and food service supervisers are low-wage, but not low-skilled workers. All NOC 0, A & B are high-skilled. Low skilled workers are NOC C & D, like Cashiers & Food Counter Attendants. They are even considering to allow entry of semi-skilled (NOC C) workers into Express Entry.

Although, it is obvious that EE didn't work out as they planned, because they expected more high-wage workers to be in top 10 occupations.

 

[anarsoul]

Just to point out that cooks and food service supervisers are low-wage, but not low-skilled workers. All NOC 0, A & B are high-skilled. Low skilled workers are NOC C & D, like Cashiers & Food Counter Attendants. They are even considering to allow entry of semi-skilled (NOC C) workers into Express Entry.

Although, it is obvious that EE didn't work out as they planned, because they expected more high-wage workers to be in top 10 occupations.

We were waiting ~4 months for an LMIA for a coworker's WP (NOC 2173) while it was supposed to be reviewed in 10 days. So apparently they don't want high-wage workers.

 

[johnny123]

We were waiting ~4 months for an LMIA for a coworker's WP (NOC 2173) while it was supposed to be reviewed in 10 days. So apparently they don't want high-wage workers.

What is his/her wage?

So if they don't want low-wage nor high-wage workers, what do they want?