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October 11th 2017 - Citizenship Applicants under 3/5 rule

imm_leb_01

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Apr 3, 2013
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Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28 February 2013
AOR Received.
11 April 2013
Med's Request
25 April 2013
Med's Done....
8 May 2013
Interview........
RPRF Request june 18th
Passport Req..
26 February 2014
VISA ISSUED...
5 March 2014
LANDED..........
29 March 2014
How can i send a correction to my application

I got AOR but i have a mistake - although it's minor but i would rather correct it
 

Beran34

Full Member
Jul 22, 2017
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The observation by HamiltonApplicant is a well-known, well-understood, and commonly given suggestion or recommendation, for good and rather obvious reasons.

Any circumstance which corroborates residency ties in Canada tends to corroborate presence. The more the whole picture reflects a person whose life is well-settled and centralized in Canada, the more comfortable a total stranger bureaucrat is likely to be that the applicant's account of days in Canada does not need closer examination.

In contrast, any circumstance which indicates ties abroad or the possibility the applicant is not fully settled in Canada . . . such as one spouse applying when the other does not, suggesting the couple has not fully settled together in Canada . . . can lead to questions, can point to what CIC and IRCC have, at various times, referred to as risk indicators or reasons-to-question-residency (or question presence).

As for "the number of days in Canada," in particular, in the routine application the only direct evidence of the number of days actually spent in Canada is the applicant's signature on the presence calculator attesting (claiming) that all dates of entry into Canada and dates of exit from Canada are accurately listed. This calculation is thus dependent on an inference that the applicant remained in Canada on the days between the last reported date of entry and the next reported date of exit. All it takes is some doubt in a total stranger bureaucrats thinking to put that inference at risk.

After all, there is no requirement at all that a PR have been employed while in Canada, but not only must the applicant report all work history during the relevant time period, there must be NO gaps in that work history (thus, for example, periods of unemployment must be specifically reported). Full employment at a job in Canada corroborates (reinforces) the proposition the applicant was present in Canada during that time. And that is the biggest reason work history is required. (And the converse: any indication of employment abroad will raise questions about time spent in Canada.)

Risk indicators do not mean an application will fail. So it is not as if spouses applying separately will in itself cause a problem. But the vast majority of applicants prefer to avoid non-routine processing, and especially prefer to avoid RQ. Thus, most applicants prudently pay attention to more than just their accounting of the number of days when deciding the right time to apply. Waiting a little longer to apply together with a spouse is simply the more prudent approach since the respective residency and presence information will, as HamiltonApplicant has said, reinforce evidence of living a life together in Canada, thus reinforcing the declaration of days present in Canada.

If, however, one spouse has indeed spent many more days abroad, and especially if the spouse has continued to have employment abroad, or has other circumstances which might invite non-routine processing (that is, has other risk indicators), separate applications make sense. No reason bogging both applications down because one gets non-routine processing and elevated scrutiny.




In the presence calculator, in work history, and in address history, the applicant needs to cover the full period of time in the relevant time period. When the 3/5 and pre-PR credit rules take effect, this will probably be the last five years or since coming to Canada, whichever was more recent. (We need to wait to see actual language in form and presence calculator and instructions to know for sure how IRCC will describe the relevant time period.) NO gaps. And no gaps means no gaps.

How to describe, in the application, such as in the work history section, a settling-in period of time prior to starting a job or starting school, is a personal decision, recognizing again that the applicant should not leave any gaps in time, and otherwise the applicant needs to give his or her best, HONEST answer. "Settling-in" should work for some, "looking for work" might work from someone else, "waiting for xxx to start" might work, and for some simply "unemployed" or "between university sessions," might work. As long as there is no gap, what is stated is an honest answer and is otherwise consistent (a nine month settling-in period, in contrast, could raise questions), the details will ordinarily not be important.

No need to overthink things.

Likewise the tax filing obligation section. No need to overthink things. Here again, prospective applicants need to wait and see what the actual form and instructions say. And follow the instructions. But sure, like the current form it will probably ask for information about the preceding tax YEARS (six currently, five after the law changes). For an application filed in 2017, obviously (for most) the most recent TAX YEAR is 2016.
I'm not working and taking care of my daughter. I became PR in October 27 2015 I left the country twice for 30 days period each time and now I'm going to be eligible to apply on or after December 27 2017(but I'll wait until January 7 -2018) since I'm not working is there anything you people recommend me to prepare or collect to prove my residencey requirements days? I filed my taxes and I keep even my boarding passes. Do you think the immigration will ask me to prove? If yes how can I?... Thank you, an applicant from Calgary
 

dpenabill

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I'm not working and taking care of my daughter. I became PR in October 27 2015 I left the country twice for 30 days period each time and now I'm going to be eligible to apply on or after December 27 2017(but I'll wait until January 7 -2018) since I'm not working is there anything you people recommend me to prepare or collect to prove my residencey requirements days? I filed my taxes and I keep even my boarding passes. Do you think the immigration will ask me to prove? If yes how can I?... Thank you, an applicant from Calgary
I am NO expert. I cannot offer personal advice.

Some recommendations are obvious and easy: be sure to have a good margin over the minimum for example.

Some applicants would be prudent to have a bigger margin than other applicants. For an applicant relying on credit for pre-PR time, for example, probably a good idea to have a bigger margin.

For an applicant without a consistent history of reporting to a job site or attending classes, probably a good idea to have a bigger margin.

But when to apply is a very personal decision. The strength of your records to show presence and address should be taken into consideration. The extent to which your family ties are well-established in Canada, or not, is a significant factor to consider.

Just remember that a total stranger bureaucrat will look at what you submit, and that is who needs to be persuaded you met the requirements.
 

bethanasame

Star Member
Jul 25, 2013
163
32
I just now got AOR. Please update the sheet. Sent 11th Oct, Received 13th Oct.
To all 12/13th folks, You will get yours this week I guess, hold on!!!
 
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aribc

Star Member
Jul 3, 2013
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Visa Office......
Ankara
Hi Guys,

Im aware that the eligibility period and the date recorded on Calculation form and Application Form (CIT002) must be same,
BUT, how about the other dates like application fee receipt , Citizenship pictures or my translations .
Do they need to be all same as application date?

Thanks for your help.
Ari
 

sho78

Hero Member
Sep 25, 2010
939
25
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
3112
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
8-7-2011 (recieved by CIO), CC charged on 16-Aug
Doc's Request.
Sent with the application
AOR Received.
PER received 29th Sept
IELTS Request
Sent with the application
Med's Request
07-03-2012
Med's Done....
12-03-2012, Recd by VO on 16-03-2012, Medical received line added 24-04-12
Passport Req..
14-May-2012
VISA ISSUED...
17-06-2012
Sometimes people complicate their own affairs and make things worst for themselves, because of lack of patience or they don't know how cope with things beyond their control.
Correct
 

Seym

Champion Member
Nov 6, 2017
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Hi Guys,

Im aware that the eligibility period and the date recorded on Calculation form and Application Form (CIT002) must be same,
BUT, how about the other dates like application fee receipt , Citizenship pictures or my translations .
Do they need to be all same as application date?

Thanks for your help.
Ari
No. Your pictures need to be less than 6 months old.
No specific requirement for the rest. Recent enough is common sense I suppose :)
 

CuriousGuy

Star Member
Apr 5, 2013
62
12
Finally got AOR today, a few minutes ago. Application delivered October 13.

Update: ECAS shows ‘Application Received’ since this morning. Address is correct.
 
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