*NEW* MANILA VISA OFFICE Philippines SPOUSE/FAMILY TIMELINE

[asagalen]

I'm writing a detailed steps about our application and will post it here soon. Sa totoo lang ang proof of relationship namin, wala pa yatang 50 pages pero sobrang organize ko po sya with page number, table of contents, translation, captions, chronological order, and lahat na. Pinagpaguran ko talaga.

Ganito po ginawa ko sa PROOF OF RELATIONSHIP (PoR). Since konti lang talaga proof namin (nagkasama ng December, nagpakasal ng February, at bumalik ako ng Canada ng March), gumawa po ako ng 3 category under PoR - (1) CONVERSATIONS -para sa mga chat namin at trinanslate ko lahat in English (2) SOCIAL MEDIA POST - to prove na alam ng buong mundo na may relasyon kami (3)PICTURES -with kwento kung sino kasama and all

wow sigi po makakatulong to sa mga nagaalala sa mga alanganin na case. congrats pala sainyo ng asawa mo

may pinsan kac ako plano din nya mag submit ng application bago matapos ang october pero semilar din yong case nila sa inyo. yong pinsan ko yong sponsor.
nag kakilala sila nung asawa nya way back nung highschool at college sila parehas sila ng school nung time na yon medyo nanliligaw na sa kanya yong lalaki
pero sa kasamaang palad yong bestfriend nung naging asawana ang naging boyfriend nya nung panahon na yon pero nag break then. nasa college yong pinsan ko nun nung mag immigrate from that time wala na silang commnucation until after 6 years nag bakasyon itong pinsan ko sa pinas di inaasang nag kita sila nung lalaki noon april 6, 2016 so from that day everyday lagi silang magkasama at naging sila na rin then on may 13, 2016 two days before bumalik ang pinsan ko sa canada nag pakasal sila and later on nalaman ng pinsan ko na buntis na rin cya.

so malamang mas red flag itong sa kanya kasi wala naman silang communication for 6 years tapos bigla ngkita at naging sila for 38 days tapos nag pakasal na heheh.. sabi ko nga bat ng pakasal agad e nag mamahalan daw sila.

 

[Survivor27]

In this case, well I shouldn't get a new one? If I got it April and submitted my application August, then it's only 4 months. To finalize, haha... should I request for new NBI or the one I submitted is enough? Thank you guys for really helping me... APPRECIATED! Good luck to all of us and God bless us all...

Claim it prvc... I am claiming it, too... Congratulations to all us! ;D ;D ;D

Would still suggest you wait na lang muna if it is really needed. I see that you already got your AOR2. If a new NBI is really needed, then probably prior to PPR, you may still be asked to get a new one. But I still think you won't be asked anymore.

 

[badpusacat]

Kung meron man kami napakita, screen shots lang from recent video calls. Okay lang kaya?

Wala sa dami ng pages, nasa substance.

Yes, that is ok kase may times na "sawa" na kami magtype and more on voice/video calls na.

Totoo din po na it is not the quantity but the quality of the documents. Yung chat po namin since 2014, ang ginawa ko po one screenshot lang every 2-3months period. Meron nga akong nabasa dati dito sa forum na nakalagay sa GCMS notes nya na inignore na ang ibang proofs sa sobrang dami. Sa picture naman po, konti lang ang selfie kasi mas importante sa kanila na ibat ibang lugar, occassion, at may ibang taong kasama. Luckily, mahilig talaga kami sa family pictures.

Lahat po ng tips nabasa ko din lang sa forum na ito. Goodluck to all.

 

[badpusacat]

Translate nyo po talaga lahat sa english? Grabe super dami ang most of our convo e tagalog. Nakakaiyak hehe. Ung smin po 2weeks lng pakasal na aga first meeting lng dinnmn un

yes, trinanslate ko talaga lahat in english. Yung mga mahirap itranslate like shortcut txt/chat messages, inexplain ko pa. We always say "amishooo!" so inexplain ko na it's our own way of saying "I miss you.". Ginawa ko pong very detailed talaga and it was all worth it.

 

[r2rlanes]

Would still suggest you wait na lang muna if it is really needed. I see that you already got your AOR2. If a new NBI is really needed, then probably prior to PPR, you may still be asked to get a new one. But I still think you won't be asked anymore.

Ok, I will wait na lang po. One more kulit question, "No Derogatory Record" and "NO Record on File" are the same, right? hehe! Just wanna make sure am cleared... Wala naman ako kaso ever since... Salamat po and Mabuhay! ;D ;D ;D

 

[badpusacat]

We have almost the same format sa PoR. It would be, I) Photos, II) Communications, III) Other supporting docs. Sa communications siguro mapaparami ang attachments since we are chatting every single day

prvc and chachatsina, yes, kaya natin 'to!

CORRECTION: Mali pala ako sa ka-excitedan ko magreply, eto din pala ginawa ko: I) Photos, II) Social Media Post III) Communications, IV) Other documents.

Sa photos, categorize ko sya by events/date with captions (sino kasama, saan naganap, and others)

Sa social media post, FB then divided into three categories by his account, my account, and other people's account. Next is IG, two categories din, his account and my account. Ang kinuha ko po ay ang mga post na magpapatunay about sa relationship namin. Trinanslate ko in english lahat ng tagalog.

Sa communications, arrange by date divided into two categories - (1) video/voice call screenshots (2) chat conversations from iMessage, FB Messenger, Skype, Whatsapp, and regular text. Trinanslate ko in english lahat ng tagalog.


Sa other documents, joint bank account, dhl document nung pinadalhan ko sya ng gift, handwritten letters, and others. Trinanslate ko in english lahat ng tagalog.

 

[Survivor27]

Hello again. Thank you for the replies regarding my previous post. Mejo malayo na nga lang kaya di ko na ma-back track kung saan banda. But I have another concern and I need your help po again.

I have mentioned before that our marriage was under Article 34 of the Family Code (cohabitating as husband and wife for at least 5 years) and we were required to send a written explanation why it was solemnized under that article and supportind docs as needed. Does anyone po can help us find a very good immigration lawyer as to how to help us regarding our case? We are only given 30 days to submit a reply and now it has been 27 days left and we havent started anything yet. We wanted to seek consultation with an immigration lawyer who is familiar with the Canada and Philippine law regarding the matter first so that we can deal with it properly before submitting our explanation.. Or if someone willing to help us po that is very much appreciated and i will give my personal email para ma-address ko in complete ung situation namin. Kasi my husband and i don't know what to do and nadedepress kami sa ngayon.. We're thinking that it may be a ground for my application to be refused.... Hoping for your replies po.

We are very grateful for your help, suggestions and enlightenment. Thank you so much and God bless..

Did you also send an AOM? Personally speaking, you don't really need an immigration lawyer. Since you were asked to send a written explanation about Article 34, then write one and explain that you were granted for that type of wedding because it is in the Philippines' Family Code. Just state that:

On July 6, 1987, Executive Order No. 209, The Philippines Family Code, signed by the late President Corazon C. Aquino, Article 34 stated that: No license shall be necessary for the marriage of a man and a woman who have lived together as husband and wife for at least five years and without any legal impediment to marry each other. The contracting parties shall state the foregoing facts in an affidavit before any person authorized by law to administer oaths. The solemnizing officer shall also state under oath that he ascertained the qualifications of the contracting parties are found no legal impediment to the marriage. (76a)

You may also add and request 2 of your dear friends to execute an Affidavit attesting that they have known you since ? and thereby confirming that you and your spouse have been living together for ? prior to your marriage on ?.

Start writing the letter now and have 2 of your friends execute an Affidavit on Monday or next week. Since you do not have much time left, send a note back to CIC or CEM and ask for an extension. Least they know that you are indeed working on their request.

 

[asagalen]

Wow. Pang-FEU confessions. HAHA. Di na pang-MMK. FEU na. haha

Basta maganda ang pagkakakwento ng development of relationship, okay yan. Nangyayari naman talaga yan sa totoong buhay. Sparks re-ignited. They could say na the guy liked the girl sa umpisa pa lang.. And destiny happened. Fate brought them together after 6 years, ganern.

Kailangan din nila patunayan na continuing ang rel nila, tell them to save their convo.

anu po yong FEU? yong school ba yan sa manila? hahaha

yon ngayong advice ko nung pagbalik nya dito nung May so far until now lagi naman cya nag screen shot ng convo at video call then. araw araw daw heheh. malamang encyclopedia kakalabasan sa kapal lol.

 

[badpusacat]

Did you also send an AOM? Personally speaking, you don't really need an immigration lawyer. Since you were asked to send a written explanation about Article 34, then write one and explain that you were granted for that type of wedding because it is in the Philippines' Family Code. Just state that:

On July 6, 1987, Executive Order No. 209, The Philippines Family Code, signed by the late President Corazon C. Aquino, Article 34 stated that: No license shall be necessary for the marriage of a man and a woman who have lived together as husband and wife for at least five years and without any legal impediment to marry each other. The contracting parties shall state the foregoing facts in an affidavit before any person authorized by law to administer oaths. The solemnizing officer shall also state under oath that he ascertained the qualifications of the contracting parties are found no legal impediment to the marriage. (76a)

You may also add and request 2 of your dear friends to execute an Affidavit attesting that they have known you since ? and thereby confirming that you and your spouse have been living together for ? prior to your marriage on ?.

Start writing the letter now and have 2 of your friends execute an Affidavit on Monday or next week. Since you do not have much time left, send a note back to CIC or CEM and ask for an extension. Least they know that you are indeed working on their request.

Naniniwala po ang CEM na legal silang kinasal. Ang question ng CEM is nag live in ba sila (yan ang reqt para maikasal under Article 34) for several years? If nag live in sila at hindi sya naideclare as common law, that is misrepresentation. Kung hindi sila nag live in, CEM might not consider the marriage kase technically nagsinungaling sila.

So mahirap po ang sitwasyon nila kase yes or no man ang sagot nila, same problem, may mali sa application.

 

[badpusacat]

Survivor, I think ang main prob niya kasi is contrasting ang sagot nila. They said they haven't lived together pero they were married under that article. Contrasting, right?

Yes, this is how I understand it as well.

Unfortunately, this is a tough situation and mag be based ang CEM ng decision based sa reply nila sa letter. Kaya strongly recommended to seek for legal advice. Anuman ang sagot nila, yes or no, may mali sa nangyari.

 

[Survivor27]

Survivor here is her original statement taken from page 503.


I wish tagging works here.

Thanks prvc, I read it before but I forgot na. Obviously and honestly speaking, mukhang malabo na. Sorry, but I don't think I should say more about their case. It's pretty obvious kasi na may mali talaga.

 

[r2rlanes]

I was gonna ask the same thing. And thought of the reason it was different kasi it was issued on two different NBI stations? I checked mine and it says NO DEROGATORY RECORD. I guess yours is fine. Ask your friends/family in your area if it says the same thing.

This is what I got from NBI site...

One of several phrases can appear in the remarks section of a NBI Police Clearance Certificate. “No record on file” is noted when the individual has never obtained a Certificate; “No derogatory record” is indicated on Certificate renewals;

...If an applicant’s certificate indicates “No record on file, or “No derogatory record,” an official letter from the NBI is not required...

Well, probably NBI system has changed since April of 2015, and I got "no record on file", is because I was included in their old system, and the last NBI I requested way back 2007 . Now it's clear. Hope this may also help those confused like me. haha. Thanks and good luck to all us!

 

[badpusacat]

Thank you so much po sa reply!

With regards to the supporting documents, can we also include the Affidavit of Cohabitation we acquired prior to marriage? And can the family and the solemnizing officer who is a Chaplain also execute an Affidavit attesting that they've known us since we started dating and confirming that we've been living together for at least five years prior to marriage?

We also want to know if it is still considered continuous cohabitation if in the yr 2014 the sponsor went to Canada as PR then came back to Philippines for marriage in 2016?

If you confirm that you have been living together prior to marriage, when he became a PR, dineclare ka ba nya as COMMON LAW? Bakit hindi ka nya dineclare? Ang ka-live in po dito sa Canada ay dinedeclare as common law.

You know, this is just my personal and non-expert opinion, you can get proofs na nag live in nga kayo and just tell them na hindi ka nya dineclare kasi you are having issues that time na naging PR sya. Hindi nyo alam mangyayari sa relasyon nyo. Again, it is just a non-expert opinion.

 

[r2rlanes]

Now you can breathe well.

That is right... this is so stressful yet exciting... Can't wait for all us be reunited with our loved ones...

 

[badpusacat]

But you said on your form you did not live together right? And your parent didn't approve of cohabitation prior to marriage?

I think gusto na lang nila palabasin na naglive-in nga sila (even hindi totoo) kase medyo may chance sila sa sagot na yun. Pag ang sagot nila is "hindi sila nag live in", most likely, walang bisa ang kasal sa pananaw ng CEM.

heykheysei, my advice to you, if you plan to make up story, just make sure na hindi kayo mahuhuli. Otherwise, mas magiging magulo ang magulo ng sitwasyon. Isipin nyo na lang kung saan mas magiging light ang decision ng CEM. FYI, misrepresentation has a ban of 2-5 years yata.