New Express Entry ranking system will be applied on Nov 19th (detail inside!)

[fahadsheikh]

Hello everyone!
I didn't know where to ask this which is why writing here.
My ex-boss and close friend as well, is a Canadian PR and is currently residing in Ontario. He asked me to put his details into my EE application as it might make a difference.
I wanted to ask does it matter if I have a friend with whom I worked for quite some time as well? I am a software developer by profession and he was my project manager for more than a year.

Thanks for your help and guidance.

 

[johnjkjk]

very intersting thread...

people who are defending LMIA - the only reason why canadian govt even removed (rather reduced points for LMIA) is becoz this was being abused by everyone... when they saw the stats that the top 2 professions which got LMIAs were chefs and restaurant workers, which defeated the purpose of LMIA... hence the change..

and its laughable to think that us people think we know better than the CIC officials... yawn - nap time...

LMIA could be for FSW or CEC. Cooks and food service supervisors, were not in the top 20 NOCs invited under FSW- the NOCs are genuinely highly skilled professionals. They did however make up around a quarter of CEC applications (Jan-June 2016).

Scrapping LMIA is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
a) What about all the other useful professions that benefitted from LMIA before this e.g. University professors and lecturers, scientists etc who may end up with fewer points than a freshly qualified Canadian diploma holder because of age. Nobel prize winning professor? Sorry we want a barely educated chap with questionable language skills, just because he invested in a miscelaneous short diploma course. LMIA serves an important purpose.

This could have been resolved by restricting LMIA to highly skilled NOCs.

It is well known that a majority of PR candidates are unemployed or under-employed. LMIA means taxes being paid and if LMIA was restricted to highly skilled professionals, it would upskill the country.

This is a bad move and the economy will suffer as a result.

 

[kryt0n]

Hello everyone!
I didn't know where to ask this which is why writing here.
My ex-boss and close friend as well, is a Canadian PR and is currently residing in Ontario. He asked me to put his details into my EE application as it might make a difference.
I wanted to ask does it matter if I have a friend with whom I worked for quite some time as well? I am a software developer by profession and he was my project manager for more than a year.

Thanks for your help and guidance.

No difference at all to ee. Even family doesn't make a difference. The only difference would be for PNP, as it shows a link to the province.

 

[SVY]

Re: New Express Entry ranking system will be applied in Nov 19th (detail inside!)

I doubt it, they will just readjust points after 19th.

How do you say it will be readjusted automatically? There were no question related to 50 points for ICT/NAFTA earlier. Can you please explain? I am sitting on 422 and with ICT it will go to 472.Haven't created my EE profile yet and thinking of doing it after 19th. If it will readjust automatically after 19th I might as well do it now.

BTW what are my chances with 472?

 

[kryt0n]

Re: New Express Entry ranking system will be applied in Nov 19th (detail inside!)

How do you say it will be readjusted automatically? There were no question related to 50 points for ICT/NAFTA earlier. Can you please explain? I am sitting on 422 and with ICT it will go to 472.Haven't created my EE profile yet and thinking of doing it after 19th. If it will readjust automatically after 19th I might as well do it now.

BTW what are my chances with 472?

Good chances.

I believe it will be an automatic update and the update will include additional questions to add on points.

 

[ashu1710]

LMIA could be for FSW or CEC. Cooks and food service supervisors, were not in the top 20 NOCs invited under FSW- the NOCs are genuinely highly skilled professionals. They did however make up around a quarter of CEC applications (Jan-June 2016).

Scrapping LMIA is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
a) What about all the other useful professions that benefitted from LMIA before this e.g. University professors and lecturers, scientists etc who may end up with fewer points than a freshly qualified Canadian diploma holder because of age. Nobel prize winning professor? Sorry we want a barely educated chap with questionable language skills, just because he invested in a miscelaneous short diploma course. LMIA serves an important purpose.

This could have been resolved by restricting LMIA to highly skilled NOCs.

It is well known that a majority of PR candidates are unemployed or under-employed. LMIA means taxes being paid and if LMIA was restricted to highly skilled professionals, it would upskill the country.

This is a bad move and the economy will suffer as a result.

"What about all the other useful professions that benefitted from LMIA before this e.g. University professors and lecturers, scientists etc who may end up with fewer points than a freshly qualified Canadian diploma holder because of age."

Professors, scientists, engineers etc. should, based on their degrees, experience and high language scores, have 450+ points. The 50 points for LMIA would help them just enough to get an ITA. For instance, I recently got an LMIA for a research position in Canada and have 450 points. The 50 additional points should be enough for me to get an ITA as an FSW in the next 2-3 draws. A cook\restaurant manager with 250-350 points won't get much use out of an LMIA now and, as a consequence, won't jump ahead of thousands of more "beneficial" candidates. To me, deceasing LMIA points makes perfect sense and makes the system fairer.

47% of all ITAs issued iin 2015 were given to LMIA holders. Out of that 47%, 2/3rd were Restaurant Managers and Cooks.

"This could have been resolved by restricting LMIA to highly skilled NOCs."

This, I agree with. The 200 points should have been given to NOC level A occupations as well.

 

[thestunner316]

"What about all the other useful professions that benefitted from LMIA before this e.g. University professors and lecturers, scientists etc who may end up with fewer points than a freshly qualified Canadian diploma holder because of age."

Professors, scientists, engineers etc. should, based on their degrees, experience and high language scores, have 450+ points. The 50 points for LMIA would help them just enough to get an ITA. For instance, I recently got an LMIA for a research position in Canada and have 450 points. The 50 additional points should be enough for me to get an ITA as an FSW in the next 2-3 draws. A cook\restaurant manager with 250-350 points won't get much use out of an LMIA now and, as a consequence, won't jump ahead of thousands of more "beneficial" candidates. To me, deceasing LMIA points makes perfect sense and makes the system fairer.

47% of all ITAs issued iin 2015 were given to LMIA holders. Out of that 47%, 2/3rd were Restaurant Managers and Cooks.

+1 - didnt have the actual stats with me but its something similar to what i had read

CIC themselves stated that the current (now previous) LMIA system was faulty with several loopholes, and that needed to be fixed...
to me from outside looks like they have done a decent job, time will tell however if it serves the purpose or not

 

[kryt0n]

"What about all the other useful professions that benefitted from LMIA before this e.g. University professors and lecturers, scientists etc who may end up with fewer points than a freshly qualified Canadian diploma holder because of age."

Professors, scientists, engineers etc. should, based on their degrees, experience and high language scores, have 450+ points. The 50 points for LMIA would help them just enough to get an ITA. For instance, I recently got an LMIA for a research position in Canada and have 450 points. The 50 additional points should be enough for me to get an ITA as an FSW in the next 2-3 draws. A cook\restaurant manager with 250-350 points won't get much use out of an LMIA now and, as a consequence, won't jump ahead of thousands of more "beneficial" candidates. To me, deceasing LMIA points makes perfect sense and makes the system fairer.

47% of all ITAs issued iin 2015 were given to LMIA holders. Out of that 47%, 2/3rd were Restaurant Managers and Cooks.

I agree 100%. Only until the point where Canada needs cooks etc. Not saying its ever going to be in a high demand job, however of course a cook wouldn't have a degree unless they studied at culinary school. (Actually, that's not a bad shout). Same as a restaurant manager. If they were that skilled they would have a degree in hospitality. Ok, answered my own question there

 

[ashu1710]

I agree 100%. Only until the point where Canada needs cooks etc. Not saying its ever going to be in a high demand job, however of course a cook wouldn't have a degree unless they studied at culinary school. (Actually, that's not a bad shout). Same as a restaurant manager. If they were that skilled they would have a degree in hospitality. Ok, answered my own question there

I can understand getting an LMIA for a cook; A Vietnamese restaurant could easily make the case for bringing in a chef from Vietnam because they couldn't find Canadians with the required skills (Vietnamese cuisine), but a restaurant manager??

How could you possibly prove, with any degree of credibility, that you can't find Canadians to manage a restaurant? How does a restaurant manager get an LMIA in the first place?

 

[johnjkjk]

"What about all the other useful professions that benefitted from LMIA before this e.g. University professors and lecturers, scientists etc who may end up with fewer points than a freshly qualified Canadian diploma holder because of age."

Professors, scientists, engineers etc. should, based on their degrees, experience and high language scores, have 450+ points. The 50 points for LMIA would help them just enough to get an ITA. For instance, I recently got an LMIA for a research position in Canada and have 450 points. The 50 additional points should be enough for me to get an ITA as an FSW in the next 2-3 draws. A cook\restaurant manager with 250-350 points won't get much use out of an LMIA now and, as a consequence, won't jump ahead of thousands of more "beneficial" candidates. To me, deceasing LMIA points makes perfect sense and makes the system fairer.

47% of all ITAs issued iin 2015 were given to LMIA holders. Out of that 47%, 2/3rd were Restaurant Managers and Cooks.

"This could have been resolved by restricting LMIA to highly skilled NOCs."

This, I agree with. The 200 points should have been given to NOC level A occupations as well.

1. Maximum points for a professor in their 40s: 386. An additional 50 is worthless.
2. Statistics quoted are not correct. They barely made up a small percentage overall. Please don't state incorrect statistics. From the official 2015 year-end report: Cooks made up only 8% of all EE ITAs in 2015, some of which would be LMIA, others would be CEC without LMIA.

 

[thestunner316]

1. Maximum points for a professor in their 40s: 386. An additional 50 is worthless.
2. Statistics quoted are not correct. They barely made up a small percentage overall. Please don't state incorrect statistics. From the official 2015 year-end report: Cooks made up only 8% of all EE ITAs in 2015, some of which would be LMIA, others would be CEC without LMIA.

you need to read the stats quoted far more carefully buddy before you make assumptions...
35% of that 47% of LMIA were cooks... not 35% of all who got ITAs...
btw i could be wrong here but if someone is in their 40s, their demand would be quite low anyway... unless they are a special skilled person... but if they have the right managerial NOC code, there can claim additional 200 points...

 

[sandra02]

I absolutely agree.
Additional,LMIA was the only chance for trade skilled people ex.: carpenter, welder, construction workers... They did have 10 days processing times to get LMIA, other noc code had 3-4 months processing times. It showed clearly who was important for the Canadian economy.
Now the liberal government wants people in NOC 00, there is only few available job for them, but thousands for trade skilled persons.
What is going on here?
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LMIA could be for FSW or CEC. Cooks and food service supervisors, were not in the top 20 NOCs invited under FSW- the NOCs are genuinely highly skilled professionals. They did however make up around a quarter of CEC applications (Jan-June 2016).

Scrapping LMIA is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
a) What about all the other useful professions that benefitted from LMIA before this e.g. University professors and lecturers, scientists etc who may end up with fewer points than a freshly qualified Canadian diploma holder because of age. Nobel prize winning professor? Sorry we want a barely educated chap with questionable language skills, just because he invested in a miscelaneous short diploma course. LMIA serves an important purpose.

This could have been resolved by restricting LMIA to highly skilled NOCs.

It is well known that a majority of PR candidates are unemployed or under-employed. LMIA means taxes being paid and if LMIA was restricted to highly skilled professionals, it would upskill the country.

This is a bad move and the economy will suffer as a result.

 

[johnjkjk]

you need to read the stats quoted far more carefully buddy before you make assumptions...
35% of that 47% of LMIA were cooks... not 35% of all who got ITAs...
btw i could be wrong here but if someone is in their 40s, their demand would be quite low anyway... unless they are a special skilled person... but if they have the right managerial NOC code, there can claim additional 200 points...

I think you've confused my response for ashu1710 who quoted 47%, which is an incorrect statistic. Only 8% of total ITAs were for cooks.

Also I've mentioned highly skilled older professionals such as world class university professors or scientists (may indeed be Nobel prize winners). Such people only become qualified by the time they are in their 40s. Until now they could rely upon LMIA as they get 0 points for age.

 

[kryt0n]

I absolutely agree.
Additional,LMIA was the only chance for trade skilled people ex.: carpenter, welder, construction workers... They did have 10 days processing times to get LMIA, other noc code had 3-4 months processing times. It showed clearly who was important for the Canadian economy.
Now the liberal government wants people in NOC 00, there is only few available job for them, but thousands for trade skilled persons.
What is going on here?
(

Skilled workers who are qualified/certified in their home countries get the equvialent certification from Canada. That gives them the same points as a academic degree. So, if the person has 3 years of experience and a certificate, then they will get 430odd points. With the lmia at 50, that's 480. More than enough for an lmia.

 

[ashu1710]

I think you've confused my response for ashu1710 who quoted 47%, which is an incorrect statistic. Only 8% of total ITAs were for cooks.

Also I've mentioned highly skilled older professionals such as world class university professors or scientists (may indeed be Nobel prize winners). Such people only become qualified by the time they are in their 40s. Until now they could rely upon LMIA as they get 0 points for age.

From CIC's Refocusing EE presentation:

"As of May 2016, immigrants with valid job offers (44%) or nominations (15%) have accounted for the
majority of invitations, meaning only (41%) were invited mainly on the basis of their human capital"

That means 44% (I guess 47% was a gaffe, but still pretty close lol ;D) of ITAs had LMIAs, so my figure stands. You're right about cooks being 8% (my mistake), though. However...


"About two‐thirds (66%) of candidates with offers of arranged employment claimed core scores of 300 or less, meaning a majority of job offer
candidates had core human capital scores that would place them in the bottom 7% of the distribution."

This proves the point I was trying to make (even if the stats about cooks were wrong).