New Express Entry ranking system will be applied on Nov 19th (detail inside!)

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That is neat! Glad to see a reverse-brain drain of sorts, Canada is lucky to have you. I'd be very surprised if you didn't get an ITA quickly.

I know at least in BC, you would be gauranteed PNP, but not sure how other provinces work. But hey, if you don't have to spend the extra money for PNP, then you shouldn't have to!

It's interesting to hear that for a high-caliber applicant like yourself, that getting a greencard would be easier than PR in canada. I'd say in most cases it would be opposite(Getting a green card in the US is extremely difficult for non-tech or non-highly desirable workers.). Most of the people getting PR in Canada through EE, would not even close to be getting a green card in the U.S. Not better or worse of course, just a VERY different immigration system.

Good luck!

My HR mentioned an option of renting a house in Quebec side. They have a different immigration system (not EE) and with some help from an immigration lawyer, I can get PR without LMIA or EE points. But we have to find an English school for my daughter, etc and I don't like QC life style.

In the US, to get green card, you have to show how good you are (publications, citations, work experience, awards, etc) and also need outstanding references. Having a job, even a permanent job, does not warranty anything. If your employer sponsors you, you are in the pool but still ... need to wait. One of my Indian friend (MS in electrical engineering) waited for .. 8 year (his company applied for his green card since 2008) and recent got lucky and get their green cards approved just a few months before his H-1B was expired. Many of my friends from China, India with US PhD degrees and good jobs are hopeless in getting green cards (there are so many applicants like them). I was lucky when I had opportunities to work with large research groups at universities and NASA so I have decent numbers of publications, and can get very good references. Those advantages did help me to get a good position in Canada but does not help me to get PR. Like you said, the US/Canadian immigration systems are very different and none of them is perfect. I just wish they have fast tracks for different cases. With the current EE system, I can imagine that an old Nobel winner may not get enough points to receive an ITA

 

[A count ant]

Well what has changed for you? Are you an international student?

Nothing has changed. I am a prospective international applicant without a job offer.

 

[mukulabd]

Does anyone know why the CRS points calculator has options of 4, 5 and 6 or more years of work experience outside Canada when you can get full points after only 3 years of experience?

https://www.canadavisa.com/comprehensive-ranking-score-calculator.html

 

[kryt0n]

Nothing has changed. I am a prospective international applicant without a job offer.

That's why your points score hasn't changed. The only people getting extra points are international students who graduated in Canada.

 

[ashu1710]

My HR mentioned an option of renting a house in Quebec side. They have a different immigration system (not EE) and with some help from an immigration lawyer, I can get PR without LMIA or EE points. But we have to find an English school for my daughter, etc and I don't like QC life style.

In the US, to get green card, you have to show how good you are (publications, citations, work experience, awards, etc) and also need outstanding references. Having a job, even a permanent job, does not warranty anything. If your employer sponsors you, you are in the pool but still ... need to wait. One of my Indian friend (MS in electrical engineering) waited for .. 8 year (his company applied for his green card since 2008) and recent got lucky and get their green cards approved just a few months before his H-1B was expired. Many of my friends from China, India with US PhD degrees and good jobs are hopeless in getting green cards (there are so many applicants like them). I was lucky when I had opportunities to work with large research groups at universities and NASA so I have decent numbers of publications, and can get very good references. Those advantages did help me to get a good position in Canada but does not help me to get PR. Like you said, the US/Canadian immigration systems are very different and none of them is perfect. I just wish they have fast tracks for different cases. With the current EE system, I can imagine that an old Nobel winner may not get enough points to receive an ITA

I can't complain about EE. The whole reason I'm trying to move to Canada is that I didn't make the H1b lottery twice (despite the US higher degree quota), early this year, I had to leave the US once my OPT expired. I missed out on two potential ITAs last year when the cut-offs dropped to 450 (my score). My problems were compounded by the fact that I'm Indian, so even an EB2 green card was a distant dream (unfortunately, I wasn't good enough for EB1).

EE may have it's flaws but it's a LOT fairer than the US' joke of an immigration system. There is pretty much no way for a skilled immigrant from India to move to the US without enduring almost a decade of H1b restrictions.


Out of curiosity, what field are you in? Someone like you should be able to get an LMIA.

 

[mukulabd]

My HR mentioned an option of renting a house in Quebec side. They have a different immigration system (not EE) and with some help from an immigration lawyer, I can get PR without LMIA or EE points. But we have to find an English school for my daughter, etc and I don't like QC life style.

In the US, to get green card, you have to show how good you are (publications, citations, work experience, awards, etc) and also need outstanding references. Having a job, even a permanent job, does not warranty anything. If your employer sponsors you, you are in the pool but still ... need to wait. One of my Indian friend (MS in electrical engineering) waited for .. 8 year (his company applied for his green card since 2008) and recent got lucky and get their green cards approved just a few months before his H-1B was expired. Many of my friends from China, India with US PhD degrees and good jobs are hopeless in getting green cards (there are so many applicants like them). I was lucky when I had opportunities to work with large research groups at universities and NASA so I have decent numbers of publications, and can get very good references. Those advantages did help me to get a good position in Canada but does not help me to get PR. Like you said, the US/Canadian immigration systems are very different and none of them is perfect. I just wish they have fast tracks for different cases. With the current EE system, I can imagine that an old Nobel winner may not get enough points to receive an ITA

Canadian immigration is like those equal opportunity employers. They do not discriminate based on qualifications or achievements or skills. You are selected merely on the basis of points.

 

[ashu1710]

Canadian immigration is like those equal opportunity employers. They do not discrimate based on qualifications or achievements or skills. You are selected merely on the basis of points.

That's true lol ;D. An IIT gold medalist has exactly the same amount of points as someone from a tier 3 college.

 

[kashjuni]

That's true lol ;D. An IIT gold medalist has exactly the same amount of points as someone from a tier 3 college.

If the Canada Immigration is not differentiating on gold medalist and average student from their own universities, why on earth do you feel they will consider IIT medalists and the likes from India. IIT gold medalist will matter to someone employing in India. The moment you move out of country, it becomes a level playing field.

 

[thestunner316]

very intersting thread...

people who are defending LMIA - the only reason why canadian govt even removed (rather reduced points for LMIA) is becoz this was being abused by everyone... when they saw the stats that the top 2 professions which got LMIAs were chefs and restaurant workers, which defeated the purpose of LMIA... hence the change..

and its laughable to think that us people think we know better than the CIC officials... yawn - nap time...

 

[kryt0n]

If the Canada Immigration is not differentiating on gold medalist and average student from their own universities, why on earth do you feel they will consider IIT medalists and the likes from India. IIT gold medalist will matter to someone employing in India. The moment you move out of country, it becomes a level playing field.

That's why they get you to convert your qualifications to Canadian equivalent, so it's level. The new extra points for students graduating from Canada implies that the Canadian degrees are better. If so, what's the point in an ECA?

 

[thestunner316]

That's why they get you to convert your qualifications to Canadian equivalent, so it's level. The new extra points for students graduating from Canada implies that the Canadian degrees are better. If so, what's the point in an ECA?

i dont think it implies canadian degrees are better... they want to ensure that there is a massive queue of students flocking to canada from next year onwards...

btw case in point - i was in the UK last year, and a friend of mine (who is a citizen there) who works in the education sector there was saying that the education sector is reeling becoz of the fact that england removed the 2 yr work permit clause after completion of graduation... basically it means you study, study.. and go back home - you wont stay in the country any further under any circumstances... obviously becoz of that students have moved to other countries... which is a shame personally - been to london a couple of times - absolutelyl lovely place...

 

[kryt0n]

i dont think it implies canadian degrees are better... they want to ensure that there is a massive queue of students flocking to canada from next year onwards...

btw case in point - i was in the UK last year, and a friend of mine (who is a citizen there) who works in the education sector there was saying that the education sector is reeling becoz of the fact that england removed the 2 yr work permit clause after completion of graduation... basically it means you study, study.. and go back home - you wont stay in the country any further under any circumstances... obviously becoz of that students have moved to other countries... which is a shame personally - been to london a couple of times - absolutelyl lovely place...

Don't get me started on the sodding UK! The work permit rule that the uK had and canada now has, post grad, is great and is a good opportunity for the person to try and stay. I just think that if a student really wants to stay, they will find a way, like a good job. Meh, 30 poi the is a fair leg up. Just not keen on what it implies

 

[ashu1710]

If the Canada Immigration is not differentiating on gold medalist and average student from their own universities, why on earth do you feel they will consider IIT medalists and the likes from India. IIT gold medalist will matter to someone employing in India. The moment you move out of country, it becomes a level playing field.

It was partly a joke. I'm well aware of the legal difficulties around assigning points based on the quality of education.

 

[mukulabd]

It was partly a joke. I'm well aware of the legal difficulties around assigning points based on the quality of education.

I would call them loopholes.

 

[thestunner316]

Don't get me started on the sodding UK! The work permit rule that the uK had and canada now has, post grad, is great and is a good opportunity for the person to try and stay. I just think that if a student really wants to stay, they will find a way, like a good job. Meh, 30 poi the is a fair leg up. Just not keen on what it implies

lol, oh kryton you keep cracking me up... kudos