Mexico

[Nessa]

I thought if you didn´t pick the ball when you were 18 then when you eventually DO pick it, you cannot get the black ball.

Maybe I am wrong though.

When my husband did his, he got the marine ball. And he said it was just like running laps and other excercises plus they learned about weapons and stuff. But they did treat him pretty badly. One time during the military service a black widow bit his hand and it started to go all numb and they wouldn´t believe him at first...until they finally let him go to the military nurse who gave him a shot...and when he was okay he had to go right back and finish the day´s training!

 

[TSauretBaxter]

I'm sorry I can't help you since I don't have any useful information, but here's an interesting article you can read.

http://www.economist.com/node/21531484

That said, Mexico doesn't belong to the list of countries that have transferable agreements with Canada, if that makes sense. And yes, if I worked for the Canadian government, there would be no way in hell I'd let a Mexican drive without having him take a test. I'm not sure how it works in Alberta, but in Quebec I'm gonna start from zero, take the lessons and then apply. It's not like I need a car in Montreal anyway.

lol, no I agree with the testing!! I just don't agree with making him go through the graduated licensing where he has to wait for two years to get his full license. He recently got a new new license when he moved to another state, so his current driver's license wont show the two years experience he requires. He can take Driver's ED (I guess like you will) but here it costs $1000. In Fort McMurray his job opportunities are drastically reduced if you don't have a driver's license. But we'll try with his license first and see what they say. If not, we'll have to pay for the course. I will be so glad when this process is over and he is fully transferred to Canada!!

 

[LeisaP]

I thought if you didn´t pick the ball when you were 18 then when you eventually DO pick it, you cannot get the black ball.

Maybe I am wrong though.

When my husband did his, he got the marine ball. And he said it was just like running laps and other excercises plus they learned about weapons and stuff. But they did treat him pretty badly. One time during the military service a black widow bit his hand and it started to go all numb and they wouldn´t believe him at first...until they finally let him go to the military nurse who gave him a shot...and when he was okay he had to go right back and finish the day´s training!

We actually asked them this today, and they said you go in to choose either black or white ball, obviously no marine ball in gdl lol.
so you still get a choice it doesnt matter when you apply for the pre-cartilla

Yeah! your in Veracruz right??
wow thats harsh!, those can be so painful!, poor guy, but im not surprised!

thats where my husband grew up so he would have had the choice of getting navy aswell, but he heard alot of bad stories about the service, one of his classmates was doing the navy service and he was suppose to be cleaning inside the bunks of the marines and the marines started to pick on him and told him to wash their shoes by hand and he said no because that wasnt his duties and a bunch of marines beat him up and they were never punished for it.

 

[OhCanadiana]

OhCanadiana... Do you know anything about transferring education and driver's license over to Canada from Mexico? No one has been able to answer my question yet

Hi there! Apologies for missing your question. I'm going to search for it now - in the meantime it would help me if you could remind me what province and state are you looking at (is it Veracruz and Alberta?)

I've successfully helped folks transfer their Mexican DF DL to Ontario within the past year so I could walk you through that step by step so it would be helpful to understand what level of detail of that is useful to you.

 

[TSauretBaxter]

Hi there! Apologies for missing your question. I'm going to search for it now - in the meantime it would help me if you could remind me what province and state are you looking at (is it Veracruz and Alberta?)

I've successfully helped folks transfer their Mexican DF DL to Ontario within the past year so I could walk you through that step by step so it would be helpful to understand what level of detail of that is useful to you.

The DL will go from Campeche to Alberta. You were kind enough to detail the process of obtaining a driver's abstract equivilant.. but I really don't think that's an option. It seems very time consuming!

 

[OhCanadiana]

Oh wow that was really interesting ocanadiana. They're definitely lucky! So what if her significant other draws a non black ball? How will that affect the visa?

Glad you found it interesting

I can't speak with certainty re what happens if he draws a non-black ball.

 

[OhCanadiana]

The DL will go from Campeche to Alberta. You were kind enough to detail the process of obtaining a driver's abstract equivilant.. but I really don't think that's an option. It seems very time consuming!

Well, ignore everything I wrote the other day because Driver's Licenses are issued by each state and that is just for the DF. For Ontario it was worth doing so that they didn't need to start off from zero with learner's permits so we went through the drawn out painful process. Based on that, I would encourage you to try to get the driver's history because it can save you a lot of heartache on the other end.

Ask your husband to check if his Driver's License has a 'has been licensed since' date and let me know. Also suggest that he call the Campeche Motor Vehicle Office / Transportation Secretariat and ask them how to get "Antecedentes de Manejo." The archive department should know. It should have the whole history so you can prove he has multiple years of experience. In ON and other provinces I recently looked at for something else, that driving experience would exempt him from the 'timing' requirement for the graduated licenses. That would mean that in ON he could just show his Campeche DL and "antecedentes de manejo" and, having proven that he has multiple years of experience, he could take the written and driving exams (essentially immediately) making him a fully-licensed AB driver soon after arrival. Not only will this make him independently mobile, but your insurance premium would be less painful.

I took a quick look at the AB rules and they seem similar but slower (and riskier) in that you have to surrender your documents and your license for them to review and they won't return them to you but easier in that you don't need to have the docs validated by the Mexican Embassy. I have some ideas I'll send you to consider to simplify this, but he'll need the documents so start working on that.

 

[OhCanadiana]

Canada doesn't require you to have the "Cartilla liberada" for immigration purposes, however I've heard that the USA does. Hence why there might be some confusion.

I can't speak to what the US requires with regards to the cartilla liberada for immigration so I'll take your word for it.

I can assert, however, that Canada has required Mexican PR applicants within the last year to submit the "cartilla liberada" as part of the PR application process. I've seen the request from the Canadian Embassy in Mexico to applicants with my own two eyes I can't speak to how often they ask for it ... my sample size is too small. I can say it was requested after the PGR and other police certificates had been submitted (while the medical was valid) as the last request prior to CoPR being issued with silence in between.

 

[edgarsitow]

I can't speak to what the US requires with regards to the cartilla liberada for immigration so I'll take your word for it.

I can assert, however, that Canada has required Mexican PR applicants within the last year to submit the "cartilla liberada" as part of the PR application process. I've seen the request from the Canadian Embassy in Mexico to applicants with my own two eyes I can't speak to how often they ask for it ... my sample size is too small. I can say it was requested after the PGR and other police certificates had been submitted (while the medical was valid) as the last request prior to CoPR being issued with silence in between.

Great, another thing that won't let me sleep for a month.

Based on the three years I've spent lurking and reading up on information, I haven't seen it happen not once. I guess it's asked for people who have actual military service. Like how you're supposed to tell them if you've been in the army or completed military service? I don't know, just a guess.

 

[LeisaP]

Great, another thing that won't let me sleep for a month.

Based on the three years I've spent lurking and reading up on information, I haven't seen it happen not once. I guess it's asked for people who have actual military service. Like how you're supposed to tell them if you've been in the army or completed military service? I don't know, just a guess.

I was just thinking that to, that this is possibly asked for people who have done actual military service to confirm they have left the service properly and arent walking out in the middle. that seems like it would make sense.
but it would be easier to understand if we knew if those people were in the military or not..

 

[TSauretBaxter]

Well, ignore everything I wrote the other day because Driver's Licenses are issued by each state and that is just for the DF. For Ontario it was worth doing so that they didn't need to start off from zero with learner's permits so we went through the drawn out painful process. Based on that, I would encourage you to try to get the driver's history because it can save you a lot of heartache on the other end.

Ask your husband to check if his Driver's License has a 'has been licensed since' date and let me know. Also suggest that he call the Campeche Motor Vehicle Office / Transportation Secretariat and ask them how to get "Antecedentes de Manejo." The archive department should know. It should have the whole history so you can prove he has multiple years of experience. In ON and other provinces I recently looked at for something else, that driving experience would exempt him from the 'timing' requirement for the graduated licenses. That would mean that in ON he could just show his Campeche DL and "antecedentes de manejo" and, having proven that he has multiple years of experience, he could take the written and driving exams (essentially immediately) making him a fully-licensed AB driver soon after arrival. Not only will this make him independently mobile, but your insurance premium would be less painful.

I took a quick look at the AB rules and they seem similar but slower (and riskier) in that you have to surrender your documents and your license for them to review and they won't return them to you but easier in that you don't need to have the docs validated by the Mexican Embassy. I have some ideas I'll send you to consider to simplify this, but he'll need the documents so start working on that.

Ok, we're gonna work on that and see what we can come up with. Thanks for your help!!

 

[OhCanadiana]

Great, another thing that won't let me sleep for a month.

Based on the three years I've spent lurking and reading up on information, I haven't seen it happen not once. I guess it's asked for people who have actual military service. Like how you're supposed to tell them if you've been in the army or completed military service? I don't know, just a guess.

Sorry for the worry factor.

Now please count to 20 to let me run to my bunker before you finish reading this post...

<wait>

Sorry to say, they were never active military. In one case, I can assert that the person has never even donned a military uniform (Saturday, Halloween or otherwise ).

 

[edgarsitow]

Sorry for the worry factor.

Now please count to 20 to let me run to my bunker before you finish reading this post...

<wait>

Sorry to say, they were never active military.

Don't worry, I've learned to never shoot the messenger

I don't think my luck can get any worse. After waiting for three years and enduring what I've been through, things can't get worse.

 

[TSauretBaxter]

Sorry for the worry factor.

Now please count to 20 to let me run to my bunker before you finish reading this post...

<wait>

Sorry to say, they were never active military. In one case, I can assert that the person has never even donned a military uniform (Saturday, Halloween or otherwise ).

That doesn't make any sense.. what am I not understanding? The cartilla liberada is only applicable if you serve in the military, no??

 

[OhCanadiana]

Don't worry, I've learned to never shoot the messenger

I don't think my luck can get any worse. After waiting for three years and enduring what I've been through, things can't get worse.

+1 for that philsophy. Hang in there. As you know, I was rooting for you not to have a chance to move your boxes anywhere other than from the 4th floor straight out - no rest breaks were supposed to be permitted.