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edgarsitow

Hero Member
Sep 11, 2008
431
7
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
September 19 2009
Doc's Request.
April 26, 2012, ARC Request on August 31, 2012
File Transfer...
14 October 2009 to Mexico City (Original) April 04, 2012 (re-processing after appeal allowed)
Med's Request
April 26, 2012
Med's Done....
September 07, 2009 (Original) April 30, 2012 (After appeal allowed)
Interview........
March 23, 2010 DENIED, Filed appeal September 2010
Passport Req..
November 05, 2012
VISA ISSUED...
November 06, 2012
LANDED..........
November 17, 2012
TSauretBaxter said:
OhCanadiana... Do you know anything about transferring education and driver's license over to Canada from Mexico? No one has been able to answer my question yet :(
I'm sorry I can't help you since I don't have any useful information, but here's an interesting article you can read.

http://www.economist.com/node/21531484

That said, Mexico doesn't belong to the list of countries that have transferable agreements with Canada, if that makes sense. And yes, if I worked for the Canadian government, there would be no way in hell I'd let a Mexican drive without having him take a test. I'm not sure how it works in Alberta, but in Quebec I'm gonna start from zero, take the lessons and then apply. It's not like I need a car in Montreal anyway. :p
 

canadiangirl78

Champion Member
Mar 1, 2012
2,345
30
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb 21
AOR Received.
Mississauga: May 10, Mexico: June 4
File Transfer...
May 16
Med's Done....
Dec 21, 2011
Interview........
Waived!
Passport Req..
July 6
VISA ISSUED...
July 13
LANDED..........
August 2, 2012
Oh wow that was really interesting ocanadiana. They're definitely lucky! So what if her significant other draws a non black ball? How will that affect the visa?

Edgar, I never got a confirmation email when I did a case specific enquiry but the website said it went through.
 

LeisaP

Champion Member
Jun 29, 2012
1,931
19
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
January 18, 2012
Doc's Request.
ARC requested Sept 28,2012 ARC sent October 18,2012... RCMP Sent Dec 17,2012. Additional court documents sent March 25, 2013.
AOR Received.
Never
File Transfer...
April 5, 2012
Med's Request
First medical March 2011, REDO Medical July 30, 2012
Med's Done....
August 16, 2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
May 7, 2013
VISA ISSUED...
May 27, 2013
LANDED..........
May 30, 2013
TSauretBaxter said:
OhCanadiana... Do you know anything about transferring education and driver's license over to Canada from Mexico? No one has been able to answer my question yet :(
In all provinces i dont know how it works
but in BC you are allowed you use your mexican drivers license to obtain a BC license, all they require you to do is pass a road test and they will issue you a full license,

i know this for fact because we have a few friends who have sucessfully done this :)
 

edgarsitow

Hero Member
Sep 11, 2008
431
7
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
September 19 2009
Doc's Request.
April 26, 2012, ARC Request on August 31, 2012
File Transfer...
14 October 2009 to Mexico City (Original) April 04, 2012 (re-processing after appeal allowed)
Med's Request
April 26, 2012
Med's Done....
September 07, 2009 (Original) April 30, 2012 (After appeal allowed)
Interview........
March 23, 2010 DENIED, Filed appeal September 2010
Passport Req..
November 05, 2012
VISA ISSUED...
November 06, 2012
LANDED..........
November 17, 2012
canadiangirl78 said:
Oh wow that was really interesting ocanadiana. They're definitely lucky! So what if her significant other draws a non black ball? How will that affect the visa?

Edgar, I never got a confirmation email when I did a case specific enquiry but the website said it went through.
I was supposed to go draw my ball in October 2010...I never went and nothing has happened. Before (10 or so years ago) I was told it was a royal pain in the ass if you didn't have your Cartilla. You couldn't graduate from university, couldn't access most jobs and couldn't even get a passport (!!!) but nowadays it's becoming more obsolete. I completely oppose conscription and there's no way in hell that the army will force me to comply. They don't bother to try and chase you down anyway.

But did they answer your case specific enquiry? I'm just freaking out because I used to always get an automated message saying they got it.
 

LeisaP

Champion Member
Jun 29, 2012
1,931
19
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
January 18, 2012
Doc's Request.
ARC requested Sept 28,2012 ARC sent October 18,2012... RCMP Sent Dec 17,2012. Additional court documents sent March 25, 2013.
AOR Received.
Never
File Transfer...
April 5, 2012
Med's Request
First medical March 2011, REDO Medical July 30, 2012
Med's Done....
August 16, 2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
May 7, 2013
VISA ISSUED...
May 27, 2013
LANDED..........
May 30, 2013
OhCanadiana said:
Just popping in and saw that your husband got his military conscription registration document. Congratulations, LeisaP.

I realize that you may not be familiar with the intricacies of Mexico and that is perfectly understandable since you're visiting and haven't spent much time there. I think it's really cool that you're trying to learn and embrace the culture and for that I commend you.

In that spirit, let me share a bit about the 'pre-cartilla' to clear up some misunderstandings. Every male who grows up in Mexico knows from a very early age that when they turn 18 they need to register for military service - it is culturally engrained. The only exception may be males who are in Indian tribes in really remote regions of the country who still communicate in Nahuatl or other ancient dialects (think First Nation in really remote, hard-to-access regions). Anyone who is in mainstream Mexican society - from the richest of the rich to the poorest of the poor - is aware of this rite of passage (in the same way that any Canadian past a very young age knows you need a driver's licence to drive a car and nervously looks forward to that rite of passage the closer it gets). As you are aware from others, you need the 'pre-cartilla' for the PGR. But, it isn't only for the PGR that your husband needs it ... the Canadian Embassy in Mexico has been known to ask for a 'pre-cartilla liberada' indicating that the citizen has completed his military service before issuing a CoPR, as edgarsitow mentioned earlier, employers usually ask for it in order to give you a job (given that otherwise if you haven't completed military service, the employer faces stiff penalties), and the government isn't supposed to provide you with any services unless you have registered and completed your obligation. You can register either where you live in Mexico or at a Mexican Embassy or Consulate abroad. If you live in Mexico, most people register and then go to the ball-lottery. Folks with black balls are done, whereas those with white or blue balls go to training for half a day on Saturdays for a year (8am to 1pm). If you live abroad when you register, you automatically get an exemption and the 'pre-cartilla liberada' without needing to go through the whole ball-routine and possibly military service.

I understand that this may all seem foreign to you since Canada hasn't had conscription since WWII. Many countries around the globe have conscription. In the US, males need to register with the Selective Service when they reach 18 and advise the Selective Service every time they move until they reach 26.

So, I think you should congratulate your other-half on successfully obtaining the pre-cartilla today. It's the best possible outcome you could have. If you read the law, the outcome could have been very, very different (including jail time). Be happy the ladies were just 'grumpy' and that they didn't turn him in for breaking the law. You are the lucky ones today.

When you have a moment, run the law through Google Translate or some other translation software (http://www.sedena.gob.mx/images/stories/archivos/leyes_y_reglamentos/leyes/LEY_DEL_SERVICIO_MILITAR.pdf) to learn all the details.
OhCanadiana
I appreciate your input, but I am 100% aware of how the military works here, and of everything you said, just because I do not live here, does not mean I do not know how the country operates, I have taken many studies and my family is full of persons who come from many parts of the world. I am a bit offended by your comments.

that being said, my husband knew he had to register for the military, but he was never encouraged to by his family, he grew up in a family that doesnt believe in their government nor their military and still to this day they do not believe in either. So as you are saying the military is the same anticipation as it would be for us getting our license, I cant speak for everyone in Mexico, but i can speak for my husband and his friends and family, and this is just not the case with them. The majority of his friends never did military service for many reasons in which I am not going to get into.
Even now his family is surprised they have asked for this card, the only person who was shocked he didnt have it was his grandmother. Aswell his brother is 17 and his parents never told him to do his service, my husband personally told him he needs to do his service to get out of Mexico and live a better life... this is just to show you how his family sees things.

I understand it is the law, but this is also Mexico and many laws are never enforced unfortunatly.

I did congratulate him as this is the next step for him to be able to gain permanent residence and live a better life outside of Mexico. He is not "happy" that he acheived this, he is only irritated with and how they process things, all he said after he got it was "good another thing out of the way and I am so happy our children wont have to live this life."

Yes we are happy it didnt turn worse, but that doesnt change the views we have about it.

:D
 

LeisaP

Champion Member
Jun 29, 2012
1,931
19
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
January 18, 2012
Doc's Request.
ARC requested Sept 28,2012 ARC sent October 18,2012... RCMP Sent Dec 17,2012. Additional court documents sent March 25, 2013.
AOR Received.
Never
File Transfer...
April 5, 2012
Med's Request
First medical March 2011, REDO Medical July 30, 2012
Med's Done....
August 16, 2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
May 7, 2013
VISA ISSUED...
May 27, 2013
LANDED..........
May 30, 2013
edgarsitow said:
I was supposed to go draw my ball in October 2010...I never went and nothing has happened. Before (10 or so years ago) I was told it was a royal pain in the ass if you didn't have your Cartilla. You couldn't graduate from university, couldn't access most jobs and couldn't even get a passport (!!!) but nowadays it's becoming more obsolete. I completely oppose conscription and there's no way in hell that the army will force me to comply. They don't bother to try and chase you down anyway.

But did they answer your case specific enquiry? I'm just freaking out because I used to always get an automated message saying they got it.
your right Edgar it is becoming obsolete, hence our views are similar to yours with this.
 

edgarsitow

Hero Member
Sep 11, 2008
431
7
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
September 19 2009
Doc's Request.
April 26, 2012, ARC Request on August 31, 2012
File Transfer...
14 October 2009 to Mexico City (Original) April 04, 2012 (re-processing after appeal allowed)
Med's Request
April 26, 2012
Med's Done....
September 07, 2009 (Original) April 30, 2012 (After appeal allowed)
Interview........
March 23, 2010 DENIED, Filed appeal September 2010
Passport Req..
November 05, 2012
VISA ISSUED...
November 06, 2012
LANDED..........
November 17, 2012
LeisaP said:
your right Edgar it is becoming obsolete, hence our views are similar to yours with this.
Canada doesn't require you to have the "Cartilla liberada" for immigration purposes, however I've heard that the USA does. Hence why there might be some confusion.
 

LeisaP

Champion Member
Jun 29, 2012
1,931
19
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
January 18, 2012
Doc's Request.
ARC requested Sept 28,2012 ARC sent October 18,2012... RCMP Sent Dec 17,2012. Additional court documents sent March 25, 2013.
AOR Received.
Never
File Transfer...
April 5, 2012
Med's Request
First medical March 2011, REDO Medical July 30, 2012
Med's Done....
August 16, 2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
May 7, 2013
VISA ISSUED...
May 27, 2013
LANDED..........
May 30, 2013
edgarsitow said:
Canada doesn't require you to have the "Cartilla liberada" for immigration purposes, however I've heard that the USA does. Hence why there might be some confusion.
the only reason they need this is for the police check correct?

if the PGR didnt require it, canada wouldnt ask for it. Is what I know. lol

I didnt know the USA required it, but i wouldnt doubt it, there immigration processes are much different than canadas.
 

edgarsitow

Hero Member
Sep 11, 2008
431
7
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
September 19 2009
Doc's Request.
April 26, 2012, ARC Request on August 31, 2012
File Transfer...
14 October 2009 to Mexico City (Original) April 04, 2012 (re-processing after appeal allowed)
Med's Request
April 26, 2012
Med's Done....
September 07, 2009 (Original) April 30, 2012 (After appeal allowed)
Interview........
March 23, 2010 DENIED, Filed appeal September 2010
Passport Req..
November 05, 2012
VISA ISSUED...
November 06, 2012
LANDED..........
November 17, 2012
LeisaP said:
the only reason they need this is for the police check correct?

if the PGR didnt require it, canada wouldnt ask for it. Is what I know. lol

I didnt know the USA required it, but i wouldnt doubt it, there immigration processes are much different than canadas.
That's right, but remember it's not Canada asking for the Precartilla, but the Mexican government with yet another retarded bureaucratic process.
 

canadiangirl78

Champion Member
Mar 1, 2012
2,345
30
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb 21
AOR Received.
Mississauga: May 10, Mexico: June 4
File Transfer...
May 16
Med's Done....
Dec 21, 2011
Interview........
Waived!
Passport Req..
July 6
VISA ISSUED...
July 13
LANDED..........
August 2, 2012
edgarsitow said:
I was supposed to go draw my ball in October 2010...I never went and nothing has happened. Before (10 or so years ago) I was told it was a royal pain in the ass if you didn't have your Cartilla. You couldn't graduate from university, couldn't access most jobs and couldn't even get a passport (!!!) but nowadays it's becoming more obsolete. I completely oppose conscription and there's no way in hell that the army will force me to comply. They don't bother to try and chase you down anyway.

But did they answer your case specific enquiry? I'm just freaking out because I used to always get an automated message saying they got it.
No...they didn't answer either. Try resending. I sent an email with the same info and explained it might be a duplicate since I didn't get a confirmation email from the enquiry. No one every responded but it was just additional evidence. One enquiry was just asking about the status of my case and I didn't really expect a response.
 

LeisaP

Champion Member
Jun 29, 2012
1,931
19
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
January 18, 2012
Doc's Request.
ARC requested Sept 28,2012 ARC sent October 18,2012... RCMP Sent Dec 17,2012. Additional court documents sent March 25, 2013.
AOR Received.
Never
File Transfer...
April 5, 2012
Med's Request
First medical March 2011, REDO Medical July 30, 2012
Med's Done....
August 16, 2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
May 7, 2013
VISA ISSUED...
May 27, 2013
LANDED..........
May 30, 2013
edgarsitow said:
That's right, but remember it's not Canada asking for the Precartilla, but the Mexican government with yet another retarded bureaucratic process.
Yes, very true!!

me and my husband were just having a big military converstation now with his grandmother and he was explaining that the Heroico colegio militar is something he would have liked to do because it is very prestigious here, but the service you do for the cartilla is so different, its cutting grass, cleaning streets, cleaning up after the army, and in his state would have been cleaning up after the navy to which has horror stories of the navy marines making the service people clean their shoes and treating them like animals. I understand why he would not want to do this type or service, to him his exact words are "you are the bitches of the army and navy" hahah!

and when you really think about it, which army would you rather have, an Army that is voluntary and wants to be their to protect the country, or one where the people are forced to be their and dont enjoy it.... whos interested would they have at heart.

anyways! im sure we could go on for days about the processes of Mexico. :-\
 

LeisaP

Champion Member
Jun 29, 2012
1,931
19
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
January 18, 2012
Doc's Request.
ARC requested Sept 28,2012 ARC sent October 18,2012... RCMP Sent Dec 17,2012. Additional court documents sent March 25, 2013.
AOR Received.
Never
File Transfer...
April 5, 2012
Med's Request
First medical March 2011, REDO Medical July 30, 2012
Med's Done....
August 16, 2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
May 7, 2013
VISA ISSUED...
May 27, 2013
LANDED..........
May 30, 2013
canadiangirl78 said:
Oh wow that was really interesting ocanadiana. They're definitely lucky! So what if her significant other draws a non black ball? How will that affect the visa?

Edgar, I never got a confirmation email when I did a case specific enquiry but the website said it went through.
I missed your question before, but because he is immigrating, either his parents will go for him and they automatically give him a black ball (this is what is going to happen with MC1234,) and exempt him from service, or he just doesnt go because he has immigrated to another country. :)
it doesnt affect his visa in any way.
 

canadiangirl78

Champion Member
Mar 1, 2012
2,345
30
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb 21
AOR Received.
Mississauga: May 10, Mexico: June 4
File Transfer...
May 16
Med's Done....
Dec 21, 2011
Interview........
Waived!
Passport Req..
July 6
VISA ISSUED...
July 13
LANDED..........
August 2, 2012
Oh I thought he would have to pick a ball before he got the visa so I was wondering what would happen. My husband didn't have to do any of that since he left Mexico at age 9.
 

LeisaP

Champion Member
Jun 29, 2012
1,931
19
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
January 18, 2012
Doc's Request.
ARC requested Sept 28,2012 ARC sent October 18,2012... RCMP Sent Dec 17,2012. Additional court documents sent March 25, 2013.
AOR Received.
Never
File Transfer...
April 5, 2012
Med's Request
First medical March 2011, REDO Medical July 30, 2012
Med's Done....
August 16, 2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
May 7, 2013
VISA ISSUED...
May 27, 2013
LANDED..........
May 30, 2013
canadiangirl78 said:
Oh I thought he would have to pick a ball before he got the visa so I was wondering what would happen. My husband didn't have to do any of that since he left Mexico at age 9.
Oh okay, no he doesnt have to be military free to immigrate out of Mexico. :)

your husbands lucky :)
 

LeisaP

Champion Member
Jun 29, 2012
1,931
19
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico City
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
January 18, 2012
Doc's Request.
ARC requested Sept 28,2012 ARC sent October 18,2012... RCMP Sent Dec 17,2012. Additional court documents sent March 25, 2013.
AOR Received.
Never
File Transfer...
April 5, 2012
Med's Request
First medical March 2011, REDO Medical July 30, 2012
Med's Done....
August 16, 2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
May 7, 2013
VISA ISSUED...
May 27, 2013
LANDED..........
May 30, 2013
Also if you start your service, and than get your visa to immigrate elsewhere, you can 'desert" the service, you have to apply for it and give them a good reason to leave without completeing it, one of the reasons is immigrationg to another country. so it is possibly to leave after you start