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[rupeshhari]

Raindrop = I am not sure why people are disagreeing with you. If you feel Canada is not a good place to be in, then you made the absolute correct choice.

Why do you guys think that I am not moving to Sudan or to UK or to any other place other than my two options, stay in US or go to Canada. Because for me, these are not good places to be in. In Sudan, there is a war that are killing people, the economy is in shambles, I could go on and on. In UK, the banks are failing, the pound is taking a beating, etc. They catch terrorist cells in the UK all the time. Its just not safe for me.

So we can say the similar thing about US, but there is one big difference. US still has the money to save itself and US will invest a lot of money into security. Canada on the other hand, has a really good financial system and is doing a lot of right things.

I do believe that most people who do immigrate to Canada and struggle are the ones who didn't do enough research and always think grass is greener on the other side in absolute terms. Unlike raindrop, i know the opposite spectrum of people. The ones who have gone to Canada and took up jobs that they wanted and doing absolutely well. I think two things that did separate them from a lot of others. They were prepared for the worst (worst in Canadian term) so prepared well and didn't go anywhere near a bad situation. They were well educated in top universities across the world so even though most Canadian employers might not know them, the top ones did. Its like where I am studying. I don't expect most Canadian colleges to know that my university is one of the top ones in the US, but the absolutely best Canadian universities will certainly know of my university in the US.

So if you are not willing to work hard or have the right qualification or a combination of both or some other quality, then its a great thing if those people don't go to Canada. In fact, its better for us future Canadians.

 

[Raindrop73]

rupeshhari,

As I mentioned before, everyone has his own reasons, but some people here could not accept that one can has a different look at Canada in terms of job opportunities.By the way, banks are failing everywhere, not only in the UK, and I lived in both Canada and the UK and I know about the traits of both of them. It is not the time to discuss it, but I can assure you that the UK is better than Canada in so many things. I have no idea about the US, you are the expert there to tell.

As you mentioned, here '

(I do believe that most people who do immigrate to Canada and struggle are the ones who didn't do enough research and always think grass is greener on the other side in absolute terms)

I made my own research, and the following article is just a simple example. I suggest you read it.



(Tories consider cut in immigrant numbers: Minister
By Norma Greenaway, Canwest News ServiceFebruary 10, 2009 2:01 PM )

CanWest News ServiceOTTAWA — Canada is prepared to consider a cut in the number of newcomers allowed into the country if necessary over the short term to respond to a souring domestic job and economic scene, Immigration Minister Jason Kenney says. "We don´t want people to be coming to Canada and facing unemployment," Kenney said Tuesday. "So, we need to be sensitive to a changing labour market, and if we need to make changes, we will."
Kenney made the comments to reporters after telling an all-party Commons committee that federal, provincial and territorial officials plan to meet at the end of next month to review the economic data to see if modifications to immigration levels are needed. For now, though, the minority Conservative government plans to maintain its current immigration target of accepting up to 265,000 new permanent residents in 2009, Kenney told the committee on citizenship and immigration. He said the government must be careful about turning off the flow of immigrants into the country because they will be needed post-recession to fill jobs and help fuel Canada´s economic growth. "We need to be flexible, prudent and ensure that our response to short-term conditions does not counter our long-term goals, in which immigration will play a significant role," Kenney said.

Kenney added, however, that bad economic news could spur some potential immigrants to abandon plans to move to Canada. "There is no doubt that newcomers, like all Canadians, will have a tougher time this year," he said. "And I suspect some people will take that into consideration in their decisions about whether or not to actually use the visas that were offered to them to come here as foreign workers." Speaking later to reporters, Kenney said that although demand for temporary foreign workers will shrink this year, it will not disappear because there are still some labour gaps Canadian workers are unable to fill.

He promised to introduce a set of regulations this spring to protect foreign workers who, according to recent media reports, have been left in a lurch after being laid off from their jobs in Canada. "Obviously there are issues of abuse (and) we want to address those," Kenney said. Kenney also announced the government is increasing to 3,900 the number of refugees it will accept this year from war-ravaged Iraq.

The new total is up from about 2,000 last year. Liberal MP Jim Karygiannis said the economic downturn is no excuse to lower immigration levels because newcomers are still needed to "fill the void of what Canadians don´t want to do." Karygiannis told reporters he interprets Kenney´s remarks as a sign the government is going to "cut back massively" on the number of foreigners it will allow into the country as prospective immigrants.

© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service

 

[rupeshhari]

Banks are failing everywhere BUT Canada. They are still pretty healthy in Canada (at least upto about a month ago).

I can also assure you that Canada is better than UK for new immigrants like me. Of course, you are not a new immigrant to UK so your situation is different. I do believe I can get a good job in both places but given good jobs, I do believe Canada is better for me. The fact that you were thinking of leaving UK means that not everything is kosher in UK either.

I don't think that articles adds or contradicts to anything I said. They will make changes if they need to. They haven't made changes to immigration yet in response to the global economic downturn. There is one thing we forget. Even UK will restrict the number of immigrants but they don't make as much noise about it because immigration is not a big policy for UK. Whereas in Canada, immigration is one of their big policy decision, so any change or mention of it makes news. Besides, even if they make changes, I don't expect Canada to be a bad place for the immigrants who do go in, provided they are ready.

So I still think UK is not good for me as US or Canada will be. I know I can get a job in the UK easily even in this market but life in Canada for me will be sweeter than UK in general. Of course, this is based on my research for my situation. I am quite lucky in my situation anyway.

 

[BCguy]

Facts Banks failed in every G-7 nation EXCEPT Canada The UK has a HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT RATE then Canada,The UK Financial system is in WORSE FINANCIAL STATE then Canada,The Per Capita has MORE CASES OF RACIAL HATE CRIMES THEN CANADA,Per Capita the UK spends LESS MONEY ON HEALTH CARE then Canada,The UK Recession forecast to LAST LONGER in the UK then Canada.Feel free to dispute these with facts.To the average Immigrant Canada looks better then the UK

 

[rupeshhari]

Facts Banks failed in every G-7 nation EXCEPT Canada The UK has a HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT RATE then Canada,The UK Financial system is in WORSE FINANCIAL STATE then Canada,The Per Capita has MORE CASES OF RACIAL HATE CRIMES THEN CANADA,Per Capita the UK spends LESS MONEY ON HEALTH CARE then Canada,The UK Recession forecast to LAST LONGER in the UK then Canada.Feel free to dispute these with facts.To the average Immigrant Canada looks better then the UK

I agree with you BCGuy. Thats why someone like me with options of both countries chooses Canada easily.

 

[Raindrop73]

BCguy,

I was talking in general about banks, I am no expert in financial matters, but still can assure you that the UK is a better place than Canada.

Here, people are more open minded towards other talents, if you are skilled to do the job then they will let you do it. International qualifications and talent is much respected,No British experience required here and job opportuinites are much better, apart from nowadays financial srisis.

About the Uk health care system, I can assure you that you are 100% wrong.. Here in the UK, there are loads of GPs, medicin are free for children under 18, the NHS is taking care of most hospitals and you pay nothing, monthly or annualy, for your healthcare. It is included in your tax.

About the health care system in Canada, I suggest you read the following article and please read the comments made from CANADIANS about their own health system.:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080618/health_canadians_080618/20080618/?hub=Canada

So please stop marketing Canada as land of opportunities while your OWN liberal minister, frankly said, they need immigrants to fill the void of jobs that Canadians do not want to do.

All the best my friends with such jobs, and bright future !!!

 

[BCguy]

OK lets agree that both the UK and Canada are not as bad as said to be,The UK works for some people like you and Canada works for some people like me and Rupeshari etc.Btw Our Ruling Goverment is Conservative not Liberal.Regarding Financial System I quote US President Barack Obama"I co'mmend Canada for having the most sound Financial System in the G-7 and Clearly America has economic lessons to learn from Canada.Cheers and Peace

 

[Raindrop73]

OK lets agree that both the UK and Canada are not as bad as said to be,The UK works for some people like you and Canada works for some people like me and Rupeshari etc.Btw Our Ruling Goverment is Conservative not Liberal.Regarding Financial System I quote US President Barack Obama"I co'mmend Canada for having the most sound Financial System in the G-7 and Clearly America has economic lessons to learn from Canada.Cheers and Peace

I have nothing against Canada at all. I spent about 2 years there as an international student, they were the most wonderful years of mylife, and that impression was behind my idea of moving there, BUT!!

Living there as a single student, almost free of responsibilites, apart from doing well in the university, as totally different than moving there with a family IN such a bad recession.

What I am trying to do is not discourge people to move there, but just to make them aware of the hidden truth about the actual life there. I mean job opportunities and many other barriers.

All the best my friends.

 

[rupeshhari]

i dont know about canadian health system but do you really consider NHS to be good. I know people who moved to SOuth Africa purely because of NHS.

 

[Flori]

Rupes said:
Raindrop = I am not sure why people are disagreeing with you. If you feel Canada is not a good place to be in, then you made the absolute correct choice.

I think you understand now what Raindrop is doing, I don't think nobody disagree with him on his decision of staying on the UK, its like if you guys disagree with me if I decided to stay in the US, there would be a ton of factors for one person to make a such decision that sometimes exceed the economic situation of one country.

As far as wich country is better than the other one (UK or Canada), what are you talking about??????
I'ts like trying to decide wich are the 3 best movies in the history. Or the best athlete in the world.
Canada would have its pros and cons, and so would England.
The UK has one of the highest cost of living in the workd, but Canada is expensive too. Banks are having a hard time EVERYWHERE.

And even more, on taking a decision like that is gonna depend on the background of the individual moving in. Like in my case, I'm from Mexico, with the NAFTA moving into Canada offers to me a lot more advantages than moving to Canada (I don't consider neccesary going tru all of them right now). I'd be also 10 times harder for me to move all they way across the Atlantic to another country, when I can just drive all my stuff across the border (or maybe ship them to UK would be cheaper, I don't know). Also my family could travel a lot more easy to Canada than to England and I could visit them more often too.
Having a PR in Canada and eventually a citinzhep would allow me and husband to come back to the US to our old jobs a lot more smoothly if things don't go well in Alberta.

And I could go on all night...but i think that's enough.

This things would be a lot more different from someone from Ethiopia, Iran or another European country.
So please post in facts, We need them, not bias opinion on how a country is better than another one.
Raindrop, your decision is very understandable, I told you before, I believe you are making the right one, but that means is the right one FOR YOU, cause you made it, cause you realize what was best for you, and it no way whatsoever, I'm trying to convince you to change your mind. And since you lived in Canada, and you knew professionals there who struggled trying to get their life back on (but they did right?) Maybe you could tell us more about their stories of success, useful tips about how they overcome this "subhuman" (that term could be different for everybody hence the quotation marks) situations. I'd appreciate that a lot.

 

[Flori]

Living there as a single student, almost free of responsibilites, apart from doing well in the university, as totally different than moving there with a family IN such a bad recession.

I could say the same about the US, and still some people would be better of here than in their country. And believe me things here are bad. Even tho, I'm doing just ok.

What I am trying to do is not discourge people to move there, but just to make them aware of the hidden truth about the actual life there. I mean job opportunities and many other barriers.

All the best my friends.

There's really nothing hidden about it. Everybody who does a little bit of research and have a little bit of common sense would realize that Canada, as any other country on the world, is no easy cake. And that jobs aren't easy to find, and that there are many regulatory bodies for most of the professions, so you wouldn't be able to work right away, however some people are able to work right away in their current professions.

 

[Leon]

Secondly, about where I got this picture from, I would like to tell you that I spent 1 ½ year in Canada and I know , in person, many PhD holders who used to work as University professors back home, and I saw how bad they were suffering. I do NOT mean that EVERY blue collar worker is suffering, but most of them.

So how many blue collar workers did you know? I have known quite a few of them and I guarantee you that most of them are not suffering. Far from it. Most of them live good lifes on their blue collar income, they have families, houses, cars like everybody else. It really isn't that different from life in the white collar world. You go to work in the morning and you go home at the end of the day.

As for my citizenship ceremony, you weren't there, you have no idea what kind of discussions I had with people there or for how long so it really is not for you to say.

 

[Raindrop73]

Leon,

As for my citizenship ceremony, you weren't there, you have no idea what kind of discussions I had with people there or for how long so it really is not for you to say.

Lord Leon,

I do apologies for bothering you by ‘ under estimating, the kind and quality of discussions you made during the citizenship ceremony’ with your co-workers from the Philippine, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Kenya, and Iran.

I assume one can get a lot of information which enables him to grasp the overall attitude of blue collar immigrants, just by talking to them in, a ceremony!!

Spot on!

But you still did not answer my earlier question about what do you know about these countries!

I presume you know nothing at all about them, so you know nothing about what makes them feel happier in Canada !

Again, I have nothing against any kind of work, whatsoever. I am against misleading immigrants and welcoming them just to ‘ fill the void of jobs that Canadians do not want to do’ as the Canadian Liberal minister said.

Do you agree with him or not, I bet you to answer this question

 

[Leon]

Dude, it's not just that I talked to blue collar workers. I am one. My coworkers were not at my citizenship ceremony btw, I talked to them at work and sometimes outside of work. I used to hang out with one of the Filipino guys.

As for the people I met during my citizenship ceremony, only one of them had a degree, the guy from Iran. He was an engineer. He said he spent the first 6 months in Canada working as a security guard and then he got a job in his field. He said he was very happy with his prospects, money etc. and hoping to open his own business one day.

Of course it's up to each person to decide if they can get a job in their field or if they would consider doing something else if they can't. If you can't think of doing anything else than what you are studying, I hope for your sake that you will always be able to get a job in that field. Just don't think you are better than a blue collar worker just because you have a PhD and don't think we are all miserable and mistreated because we are not.

 

[Raindrop73]

(Just don't think you are better than a blue collar worker just because you have a PhD and don't think we are all miserable and mistreated because we are not.)

You are about to give me a heart attack!!!

You seems to have a difficulties in understanding! Did you read my earlier post when I defended myself against your FALSE accuasations!

When, on GOD's sake, did I say that Iam better than blue collar, green collar or even rainbow damn collar jobs!!!

When, and where, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

If you really had a time to carefully read what I was writing, you propably will see that I was a dam blue collar job for a long time during my studies, ...but it seems that you read only what you want to.

Damn PhD and Nobel brize if it leads to disrespect others. DO YOU UNDERTAND THIS!

STOP ACCUSING ME FOR THINGS I NEVER SAID.

Maybe I am talking to a dead man !