Landed!

[Flori]

The message is heared and the lesson is learnt. your opinion reflects the 'actual' sitiuation in Canada where so many professionals stuck for the rest of their lives in blue collar jobs.

I decided to withdraw my PR application and save my whole academic and social life.

All the best my friend.

So for you this comment, its not looking down on those jobs? I would understand the "saving the academic" part.

 

[Flori]

"When many talented professionals moved there and been denied the opportunity to get the job they deserve and forced to work, for 12 hours a day, just to keep the food in the table."
OR THIS???

 

[rupeshhari]

personally....enjoyed the discussion yesterday. its an exchange of ideas. If we want to tolerate others ideas, our dissenting view to disagree should be tolerated too.

As for people's English. Who cares as long we can understand each other....well, let me not say who cares, let me say i dont care (see no apostrophe). The only time I care about English is when someone addresses a message to me AND their English makes no sense or have double meaning due to improper grammar.

I don't think any part of the discussion was phd throwing at each other. Raindrop has Canadian experience and I have had good Canadian potential employers talking to me. We were trying to make a point using highly academically qualified people as an example and both of us are in the same shoe with different reasoning. Theres nothing wrong with that.

No need to delete the thread. New members of the forum should see that there are people who have decided not to move to Canada despite being highly qualified so they can make their own choice.

 

[Flori]

It's okay to have the discussions, but this thread reads "Landed" maybe we should create one focused on points of view onto moving to Canada.

 

[rupeshhari]

people add non-related topic to topics all the time.

 

[Raindrop73]

Flori, rupeshhari and the other respected friends,



I do apologize for any offense caused, though it was just a discussion, no more and no less.

Flori, I think you missed the whole point of my post about the professional people who got stuck, for the rest of their lives in blue or whatsoever jobs.

You found this statement offensive with respect to the way I look at people or professions! Please let me elucidate what I meant, with my ‘poor' and ‘horrible' English abilities.

I was talking about the system. The system that allow PROFESSIONAL immigrants to be in Canada, under the points based system, based on their education, work experience, language abilities. Then, once they are there, they find the situation totally different.

In short, when a doctor had to flip burger or to work in warehouse, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO PEOPLE WHO USED SUCH WORK FOR LIVING, then this is just unfair, stupid, and an indication of a serious failure in the system.

Again, I am not looking down on people; I am just trying to address the problem. If the Canadian government could not see that the number of educated professionals they allow in the country, EVERY SINGLE YEAR, is much bigger than their ability to handle, then the solution is very simple.

They should close the skilled immigrants' door and allow more numbers of immigrants from the refugees or they can depend on the work visa permits. As simple as that!

When someone here tries to say that allowing more than 170.000 highly skilled immigrants every single year without ‘real' and ‘realistic' approach to the ‘ actual' needs in the job labour market, when such professionals had fill ‘ the void of jobs that Canadians do not like to do' then this is really a misleading propaganda.



Flori,

"When many talented professionals moved there and been denied the opportunity to get the job they deserve and forced to work, for 12 hours a day, just to keep the food in the table."
OR THIS???

Is there any logical problem in this!

If you find it fair that someone had to leave his own profession ( the profession and skills that allowed him to be in Canada in the first place) to do a menial job due to silly restrictions, then I should tell you that ONLY IN CANADA YOU CAN FIND THIS LOGIC.

I think I clearly made my point, with my limited English abilities.

In short, my manners, background and morals do not allow me to look down to people or professions or even to animals. We are all just poor creatures trying to live in this stupid, and hard to understand world.

I do apologize to any one who find my words offensive.

All the best.

 

[Chinaconnection]

Raindrop,

Thank you for making things clear. Maybe i missed the discussion, but that someone should accuse you for nothing , is not right. I can remember you rightly said in one of your posts that you could shover snow if it means putting food on your table and i agreed with you. So how come you look down upon pple? or were you just saying it for the sake of it?

Well, maybe you shouldn't have anounced that you will withdraw your application, probably all these misunderstanding and misuse of words wouldn't have come up.

Raindrop, you don't need to appologize for anything. It was a mere discussion. Do you know all these people you chat with on the forum ? have you met them before? make your point clear, but don't accuse anyone ( which i know you did not accuse anyone ) When i see pple say things that are annoying it baffles me.Honestly, if someone reads anything that is useless or meaningless, why not ignor instead of writting back to insult whoever that wrote it.

Guys, in as much as we can't see those who write what on the forum, doesn't mean we can never meet and know each one of them one day. The world is too small and complicated. So lets stop making it the more complicated by dragging things here and there.That is how i look at it. But also remember, "NOBODY IS PERFECT"

I remember someone said Canada is not for pple who are not tolerant, which i think it is true from the look of things, so if anyone is not that tolerant, please don't consider going to Canada else you will have High blood pressure trying to persue a career in your field of studies.

Good luck you guys and NO HARD FEELINGS PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Flori]

Raindrop

You said this:
"I was talking about the system. The system that allow PROFESSIONAL immigrants to be in Canada, under the points based system, based on their education, work experience, language abilities. Then, once they are there, they find the situation totally different.

In short, when a doctor had to flip burger or to work in warehouse, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO PEOPLE WHO USED SUCH WORK FOR LIVING, then this is just unfair, stupid, and an indication of a serious failure in the system."

I AGREE WITH YOU IN THIS, THERE'S A FAILURE ON THE SYSTEM WHO RECRUITS HIGH SKILLED IMMIGRANTS, WITH A POINT BASED SYSTEM AND THEY WOULD END UP DOING JOBS NOT RELATED TO THEIR PROFESSIONS, IT MIGHT LEAD TO A WASTE OF TALENT (I think this is a better way to put it rather to say they are doing blue collar jobs). IT'S ALSO WRONG TO PUT A PROFESSION UNDER A PRESSURE LIST FOR WHAT IT MIGHT NOT BE A BIG DEMAND.
BUT.
It's well known for anyone who do just a little bit of research (and everyone MUST DO A LOT) that there are many rules and regulations for a lot of professions, and most of the time they let you know in the immigrations websites. So it's everyone responsabilities to know if what the limitations they might find once they get to Canada. And to study the job market to see if they have good chances of finding a job.

A solution I see for the cracks on the FSW and the Professional Immigration program is to require all those immigrants get certified and ready to work (with all the licensing and tests passed) before they even move to Canada. There' are a lot of cons in that requierement.

I DO NOT AGREE with you raindrop that regulations in Canada are silly, even if they were, those are their regulations and they exist for a reason. Its like if you invite me to your house and I say your rule of using a drink coaster is exagerated. (Don't worry, even if you invite me I wouldn't go, hahaha)
By the way, you didn't offend me (I don't think you were offensive, maybe politically incorrect, but we all have been) I just said what I understood from your words

 

[Raindrop73]

Chinaconnection, Flori

Thank you for your comments. I will follow your advice. These will be my last words here, I enjoyed the discussion even though it gave me a hard time trying to defend myself against things I never said or even thought of.

My friends,

I am not the kind of person who disrespects others, but I am for sure a person who could not bear an insult or false accusations.

A person who used to live in a complete poverty, with a very little money-but with a dignity, can never, ever look down on people.

I worked my way up to this level, with GOD's help, and with the help of many kind people who assisted and advised me. It is me who really knows how to be thankful and to respect others.

It was just a childish song performed by a genius called Leon.

You are right, one should ignore such silly and nonsense noises.

I have more important things to do. A family to take care of, and a complex research to undertake.

I wish the very best to all of you, may GOD make things easier for you and make your dreams come true.



Farewell!

 

[Flori]

Farewell and Good Luck raindrop.

 

[charninder]

Farewell and Good Luck raindrop.

Hi,

With due respect to all. I just want to put my views after reading the whole thread. I have already said that this thread is not going in the right direction. It is just simple. If somebody wants to go to Canada or not it is upto him/her. Here in this Forum he/she should not express his/her priorities. But can ask for clearance of any doubts about the whole process. To show strength of your knowledge, experience and personality there will be more and more opportunities once you land in Canada. Secondly, I think some views were misunderstood totally. If you go to another country for permanent settlement, it is a big decision and you are responsible for that. You may not get the job according to your qualifications, whatsoever. In the beginning you may have to accept lower jobs which you would have not dreamt of, just to earn livelihood as a start in a new country/atmosphere. When you have enough money, you can try for the jobs of your calibre/qualifications/experience. You have to accept the reality. This happens actually. And seeing is believing. One should not be adament. If you have to gain something be flexible otherwise keep on discussing..discussing..discussing. And please remember "When in Rome do as the Romans Do". Remember this phrase, if you want success when immigrating to some other country. For example, just leave your present job and try for the same job elsewhere, you may not find the same job with same benefits/salary even in your own country. Only those people gain success who change with the time.

Thanks...

 

[Chinaconnection]

Well said Charninder.

End of discussion.

 

[rupeshhari]

Charninder,

I take a somewhat different view (but perhaps you are saying the same thing). People move to another country because there is greater utility in that for them. That utility can be comprised of better opportunity for them or their family, safety, quicker path to citizenship, etc. Why are some people willing to take up "lower" job (by lower, i mean a job that you don't want). Its only because the expected gain in utility from Canada is higher than than what they have in their current country.

Someone like raindrop doesn't need to take that "lower" job because his utility in his current country is greater than the expected utility from Canada. Its as simple as that. He is, for certain, living in a pretty decent country already so I am sure he doesn't want to take that hit in his life where he might have to take a "lower" job. Why am I thinking of moving to Canada? Only because I want to live in a different country but if the drop in job is too great, i'd rather stay in the US because the excitement of a new country might not compensate for the drop in job.

Take someone from DRC. Why would they move to canada for a greater drop in job? Its because the utility they get from safety cannot be compared to the disutility from a drop in job.

So ultimately what I am trying to say (perhaps you are saying the same thing) is that everyone has to look at their utility. So not moving to Canada because you don't want a drop in job in quite understandable because in his situation (specifically raindrop here), he is living in a pretty okay country.

 

[jalams2000]

Hi all !

Its really interesting to read a thread about some real facts of Canada ( as per my opinion). I beleive everybody is not 100% accurate on his arguments. But it is true that all are trying to express their best feelings/thought about the thread. As per my opinion these are only some statements which anybody can accept or reject at any ground. We should not heart by any of those at all.

I want to add some feelings about the thread. My question is, if the employers of canada are only choosing the candidates of Canadian experience class then why the govt. has to impose restriction on the occupations in immigration? why there is a list of 38 occupations only? better they can give opportunity to some freshers of all occupations who will try to give some fresh blood to strengthen the economy. I do not think any one from out side of canada can enter his/her dream job of his actual occupasion. so it is meaningless to choose the immigrants on the basis of their occupasions. My thought may not be right but I presume it might be a govt. policy to lessen the total PR numbers to canada.

Thank you all.

 

[rupeshhari]

The employers are not ONLY choosing candidates of canadian experience. Having Canadian experience gives you a greater advantage.

They impose restriction to certain jobs that they feel are more critical and hence, increase the chance of employability of candidates as well as fill those positions ultimately.

Freshers might not be experienced enough to fill all positions.

Some people from outside will enter their dream jobs. Take the ones with AEO, they go (i presume) with their dream job.

You are partially right in saying it to lessen the total PR number to Canada. But its more than that. Its targeted immigration rather than a haphazard list of jobs. If they wanted to lessen the numbers, they can just say that they will take only the first 100 000 or so, as an example.